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Did they actually speak to you, or you just felt this?
The Big & Dandy Entity Contact & Theories Thread
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Hessel R.K.
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Hessel said:
It makes perfect sense now that I realize you were watching TV as it happened... nothing wrong there
Seriously, Salphyus, try watching 4+ hours of TV daily, like a normal person. Then see what you think about. I mean, come on! It stimulates nearly all of our fucing senses... our brain didnt develop instincts to weed out TV... It counts as real as far as the mind is concerned, especially the subconscious part.
Watch an assload of TV, then trip. See if you don't get constant thoughts/visions about TV. Or better yet, take some acid and watch Natural born Killers, or The Wall. You know its only TV, but I bet you it profoundly influences your mood, no matter how secure you feel in your ability to control your thoughts.
Re: Theory on meeting entities
slightly aside but how do you reliably measure such a dose?
alasdair
Originally posted by platinum907
...both times on large, 750-1000 microgram doses of acid
...both times on large, 750-1000 microgram doses of acid
slightly aside but how do you reliably measure such a dose?
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Re: Re: Theory on meeting entities
I don't accurately measure as it's damn near impossible, but if 1 drop makes me trip mildly, it is probally at least 50 mics, probally closer to 75. So if I take 10-15 drops, I figure it's close to that range. I always push my doses to that level if I have time to explore and a real good setting/set. Plus the guy who made the bottles said he put 10 mgs in each, which had around 130 drops in each, so that's around 75 mics per drop ballpark.
I think that is a reasonable assumption, correct?
Nothing better than 10 drops of superclean fresh acid to put you in another galaxy.
alasdairm said:
I don't accurately measure as it's damn near impossible, but if 1 drop makes me trip mildly, it is probally at least 50 mics, probally closer to 75. So if I take 10-15 drops, I figure it's close to that range. I always push my doses to that level if I have time to explore and a real good setting/set. Plus the guy who made the bottles said he put 10 mgs in each, which had around 130 drops in each, so that's around 75 mics per drop ballpark.
I think that is a reasonable assumption, correct?
Nothing better than 10 drops of superclean fresh acid to put you in another galaxy.
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occam's razor - the simplest explanation is the best
lots of people hallucinate basically the same thing? people who've never met, have no preconceptions, no prior experience?
obviously, there are entities, and they want to talk. why is this so hard for people? really, when you die, are you going to tell god or whatever he's just a figment of your imaginations? how could it matter?
lots of people hallucinate basically the same thing? people who've never met, have no preconceptions, no prior experience?
obviously, there are entities, and they want to talk. why is this so hard for people? really, when you die, are you going to tell god or whatever he's just a figment of your imaginations? how could it matter?
for the record, tantric has met both coincidence control central and the prince of flowers, xochipilli. after plateau sigma on dxm, you don't ask whether it was real or not, rather, what the hell are you going to do about it?
xochipilli tried to kill me. i came back covered with weird perfectly square bruises. not to mention the stigmata bit, that was when i knew it was going to be bad.
xochipilli tried to kill me. i came back covered with weird perfectly square bruises. not to mention the stigmata bit, that was when i knew it was going to be bad.
occams razor cuts both ways. sometimes in certain complex scenarios the simplest answer is the most spectacularily wrong.
considering all this paranormal experience, it seems there's alot more than heaven hell and earth out there. considering how insignificant our existence is in phsyical reality, we can get some idea of how it is in the 'other side' or whatever you want to call it. my impression is whats after death is far more complex than what the traditional monothesitic religions drum into our heads.
A single male god with a long white beard is probably the most unlikely thing you'll be talking to after death.
thats just my impression, when i do meet an entity, i have questions ready
considering all this paranormal experience, it seems there's alot more than heaven hell and earth out there. considering how insignificant our existence is in phsyical reality, we can get some idea of how it is in the 'other side' or whatever you want to call it. my impression is whats after death is far more complex than what the traditional monothesitic religions drum into our heads.
A single male god with a long white beard is probably the most unlikely thing you'll be talking to after death.
thats just my impression, when i do meet an entity, i have questions ready
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please, that's so elitist - sociolinguistic crap. if don't use good grammar, does that mean i don't have anything to say? after all, if i don't talk like you, i must be a fool. ebonics is a language, but poor diction is just bad, etc. you and GBShaw, too. it's a style derived from the whole SWIM thing - ie, never say "i do drugs". such literary pretensions are normal here. just fyi.
occam's razor is a useful theory, and the purpose is to get answers. "people experience entities because they exist" "religion exists because the supernormal exists" personally, if i saw god, i'd be shocked, but on the other hand, i'm not an aztec, and xochipilli was real as a heart attack. the first person to do plateau sigma on dxm met erzulie, the voodoo goddess. it happens, more proof that they are real, if you ask me. if i'd seen the buddha, i'd consider that a fantasy - that would be obvious. but CCC? i'd never heard of that shit, news to me, but damn there they were.
occam's razor is a useful theory, and the purpose is to get answers. "people experience entities because they exist" "religion exists because the supernormal exists" personally, if i saw god, i'd be shocked, but on the other hand, i'm not an aztec, and xochipilli was real as a heart attack. the first person to do plateau sigma on dxm met erzulie, the voodoo goddess. it happens, more proof that they are real, if you ask me. if i'd seen the buddha, i'd consider that a fantasy - that would be obvious. but CCC? i'd never heard of that shit, news to me, but damn there they were.
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tantric said:
No..
Let's look at some other evidence. The only universe I experience is personal. By this, I mean I never experience another's thoughts or emotions, I have never experienced any evidence that exists externally from myself. In fact, every experience I have ever had has taken place in my head. Think about how you view the world: thoughts (in your head), feelings (in your head), preconceptions about how things work (in your head), any other form of input (in your head). This should be self-evident.
Occam's razor concludes, since I have never seen any evidence from outside of my mind (in fact, to do so seems impossible since the mind is the only thing I have to interact with this so-called external world), that everything MUST be in my head.
This is the fundamental problem with the self vs. other split. With defining myself as a subject and everything else as an object. The subject cannot be an object! Are your thoughts you? No, you can observe them. Are your feelings you? No, you can observe them. So what happens when we realize Occam's eradicates this split? Well, that's called ego-loss, and it rarely happens with DMT experiences.
I have never tripped enough to meet an entity but it sounds like to me to be pureley a visual manifestation of a side of your ego/subconscious.
I hope i'm not offending anyone here but IMO I think that any beliefs that they are anything other than a creation of your own hightened subconscious is a dillusion resulting from an inability to understand the depth of your own mind and subconscious that has been presented to you in this heightened mental state.
Basically it appears to me that you if you can't understand how your subconscious was able to manifest and form such intricate situations your ego defense mechanisms say to you (or you could say, you say to yourself) that it's infact entriely literal and nothing to do with what's actually in your head but somehow something that your mind has tapped into.
But then again what has skepticism ever solved or created? I'd love to be able to develop religious beliefs from psycadellics, but somehow I doubt that will ever happen..
I hope i'm not offending anyone here but IMO I think that any beliefs that they are anything other than a creation of your own hightened subconscious is a dillusion resulting from an inability to understand the depth of your own mind and subconscious that has been presented to you in this heightened mental state.
Basically it appears to me that you if you can't understand how your subconscious was able to manifest and form such intricate situations your ego defense mechanisms say to you (or you could say, you say to yourself) that it's infact entriely literal and nothing to do with what's actually in your head but somehow something that your mind has tapped into.
But then again what has skepticism ever solved or created? I'd love to be able to develop religious beliefs from psycadellics, but somehow I doubt that will ever happen..
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Fragbait:
Sorry to say I think this is flawed epistemology. Solipsism. If everything is inside of your head what is outside of your head? Nothing? The problem is that the brain and the mind are both constructions; that is, they are concepts linked to other concepts. "Inside of your mind" is simply a location that is linguistically constructed. How can everything exist in a certain linguistically constructed theoretical place?
A much more complex metaphysics needs to be constructed to understand the DMT experience, something more along Buddhist or Wittgenstienian lines. There is only one plane of non-dual reality, and nothing is really inside or outside, but simply folded or linked together by language.
Are DMT entities inside or outside of each of our heads? Both and neither in the same fashion that the Coke bottle which I am looking at is both inside and outside of my head and is thus neither inside nor outside of my head (as it is in either place only by linguistic convention.) DMT entities exist on the same plane of linguistic conception as anything else in the world exists. We can talk about them usefully and compare notes. I can tell you how to conquer certain types of demons just as easily as I can tell you how to buy a Coke. DMT entities thus exist publicly in the full Wittgenstienian sense. They are conventionally, and as such it is useful to speak of them.
Sorry to say I think this is flawed epistemology. Solipsism. If everything is inside of your head what is outside of your head? Nothing? The problem is that the brain and the mind are both constructions; that is, they are concepts linked to other concepts. "Inside of your mind" is simply a location that is linguistically constructed. How can everything exist in a certain linguistically constructed theoretical place?
A much more complex metaphysics needs to be constructed to understand the DMT experience, something more along Buddhist or Wittgenstienian lines. There is only one plane of non-dual reality, and nothing is really inside or outside, but simply folded or linked together by language.
Are DMT entities inside or outside of each of our heads? Both and neither in the same fashion that the Coke bottle which I am looking at is both inside and outside of my head and is thus neither inside nor outside of my head (as it is in either place only by linguistic convention.) DMT entities exist on the same plane of linguistic conception as anything else in the world exists. We can talk about them usefully and compare notes. I can tell you how to conquer certain types of demons just as easily as I can tell you how to buy a Coke. DMT entities thus exist publicly in the full Wittgenstienian sense. They are conventionally, and as such it is useful to speak of them.
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I cant wait to smoke that dmt......
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Well lets have an bit of an analogy here. (Not a great one, but still). When people trip, they tend to see the ends of objects form a similar "fractal" edge. Now does that mean that these objects have a fractal edge, and taking acid simpley allows you to see it? How about the idea that we have similar neurobiology, and a drug would change that neurobiology in a similar fashion in different people, leaving them with the same end brain state.
That is to say, our brains are similar, and hence generally, we percieve things in a similar way. We instill a change in the brain (take ayahusca) and we are left with brains, which are again similar (although different from the original state). Hence they percieve things in a similar fashion again.
That is to say, our brains are similar, and hence generally, we percieve things in a similar way. We instill a change in the brain (take ayahusca) and we are left with brains, which are again similar (although different from the original state). Hence they percieve things in a similar fashion again.
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Dean Luna said:
Obviously you are right. This is the problem with language, a very dualistic construction, when trying to describe something entirely non-dual. I can only tell you what things aren't and what they are like, never what they are. So any language used to describe a non-dual reality is inherently flawed (your "folded" together is just as flawed as "inside your mind").
I was only illustrating a counter-point, and I agree with you on almost everything you said (minus the linked by language bit). Perhaps I shouldn't have said anything, but I think Occam's razor gets used far too often.
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Psychadelic entities
Hi.
I recently had the most amazing visual trip ever on two speed(highest dose of street grade up to date) and some homegrown shrooms i made into tea(20 grams wet=roughly 2 grams when dried, they were mostly potent aborts. except a few mature ones)
During this tripp i saw hundreds maybe thousands of grinning sinister/demonic facial entities floating in alternate realities within the realms of my walls, ceiling tiles, floor tiles and any other possible surface.gawking at me gawk at them. They were on every surface area of every object i looked at. I would sometimes even lose myself within the 3D spatial realms they occupied which was portrayed on 2D plasma like surface covering my walls, its like looking through the wall to focus on the other side and not knowing how to get back out.The manifestations of sinister expressions morphed freely through a wide array of facial expressions in reaction to the countless, surprisingly creative and comprehensible, notions that were flowing freely through my thought stream.Everywhere i went(inside/outside) i saw the addaptations of demonic expression in relation to the surfaces they roamed.Observing me observe them in equal facination and wonder, i felt like i was breaking some kind of moral rule, as if i wasnt ready or prepared for this new form of awareness.They all had mocking sinister smirks of wicked good humor smeard across their faces and no two were identical as i remember them all having different facial characterics even male/female facial features.At one point every square inch of surface area in my fairly large room was covered with a mob of demonic ethereal entities all animated in expressions of demonic humour as they flowed through a fluorescent glow of blue/red/green static outlines. I felt as if I wasnt just observing some imaginary entities but they too were here to observe me.this thought kinda fucked with me and i felt my mood change in reaction to this twisted notion which synergized with the few awed' expressions of mocking concern that manifested upon a few key figures.I didnt fear anything throughout the trip nor was i concerned about slipping into a state of confused MindFuck(which i did experience at one point but it subsided rather smoothly and quickly) i was content just observing the cristal clear, visual magic (by far the best, and widest array of visuals I'v ever experienced).Before this I never thought it possible to visualize anything but out of focus paterns and colorful surface shifting.This was all preaty fucking strange to say the least, thinking all these imaginary visuals of indipendant manifestations were of my own creation. I can still remember the intricate facial features of the most distinguished 'little demons' and there was another 'character' looking more human and self important compared to whatever the hell the other entities are supposed to be.It looked alot like some sort of dark sage or sorcerer type who seemed irritated by its discovery.
This is way too fucking cracked out...
I think the whole demonic mockery twist was due to the high dose of amphetamines.Everything was very clear and well focused thanks to the Amphs, nor was there any noticable mushroom body load or visual bluring.
Speed/Mush combo is definately worth a try
Anyways, I just wanted to know if anyone else has come across any psychadelic entities while trippin? or am i just fuckin bat shit crazy?
Sorry if this doesnt belong here and if iv done a half assed job at typing this all up,I havent slept in 3 days so my thoughts are a little out of sync and the kepboard keeps twitching/
Hi.
I recently had the most amazing visual trip ever on two speed(highest dose of street grade up to date) and some homegrown shrooms i made into tea(20 grams wet=roughly 2 grams when dried, they were mostly potent aborts. except a few mature ones)
During this tripp i saw hundreds maybe thousands of grinning sinister/demonic facial entities floating in alternate realities within the realms of my walls, ceiling tiles, floor tiles and any other possible surface.gawking at me gawk at them. They were on every surface area of every object i looked at. I would sometimes even lose myself within the 3D spatial realms they occupied which was portrayed on 2D plasma like surface covering my walls, its like looking through the wall to focus on the other side and not knowing how to get back out.The manifestations of sinister expressions morphed freely through a wide array of facial expressions in reaction to the countless, surprisingly creative and comprehensible, notions that were flowing freely through my thought stream.Everywhere i went(inside/outside) i saw the addaptations of demonic expression in relation to the surfaces they roamed.Observing me observe them in equal facination and wonder, i felt like i was breaking some kind of moral rule, as if i wasnt ready or prepared for this new form of awareness.They all had mocking sinister smirks of wicked good humor smeard across their faces and no two were identical as i remember them all having different facial characterics even male/female facial features.At one point every square inch of surface area in my fairly large room was covered with a mob of demonic ethereal entities all animated in expressions of demonic humour as they flowed through a fluorescent glow of blue/red/green static outlines. I felt as if I wasnt just observing some imaginary entities but they too were here to observe me.this thought kinda fucked with me and i felt my mood change in reaction to this twisted notion which synergized with the few awed' expressions of mocking concern that manifested upon a few key figures.I didnt fear anything throughout the trip nor was i concerned about slipping into a state of confused MindFuck(which i did experience at one point but it subsided rather smoothly and quickly) i was content just observing the cristal clear, visual magic (by far the best, and widest array of visuals I'v ever experienced).Before this I never thought it possible to visualize anything but out of focus paterns and colorful surface shifting.This was all preaty fucking strange to say the least, thinking all these imaginary visuals of indipendant manifestations were of my own creation. I can still remember the intricate facial features of the most distinguished 'little demons' and there was another 'character' looking more human and self important compared to whatever the hell the other entities are supposed to be.It looked alot like some sort of dark sage or sorcerer type who seemed irritated by its discovery.
This is way too fucking cracked out...
I think the whole demonic mockery twist was due to the high dose of amphetamines.Everything was very clear and well focused thanks to the Amphs, nor was there any noticable mushroom body load or visual bluring.
Speed/Mush combo is definately worth a try Anyways, I just wanted to know if anyone else has come across any psychadelic entities while trippin? or am i just fuckin bat shit crazy?
Sorry if this doesnt belong here and if iv done a half assed job at typing this all up,I havent slept in 3 days so my thoughts are a little out of sync and the kepboard keeps twitching/
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while you were, of course, temporarily insane, amphetamines and mushrooms probably serve as a fertile substrate for all sorts of rediculous dream type manifestations.