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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

I once combined both 4-HO-MiPT and 2C-E, it had a surprising amount of synergy and had me crawling with pleasure. Interesting that you got such strong effects and tolerance from only 100ug. Like only on half a mg I can say I'm definitely tripping

I think the tolerance was more from excessive amounts of mushrooms with MDMA the past few weekends. last weekend after the mushrooms and MDMA, I added 400ug of acid and fell asleep a few hours later when one of the 200ug tabs usually floors me. A waste of good psychedelics but when this much free time presents itself, its hard not to push it further once the initial magic fades.
 
Haha don't I know it. I've taken various lightish doses of psychedelics and 3-MeO-PCE the past 4 days now. Gonna cut it out tomorrow, especially as I am still working (from home). It's really been great though, I'm glad I did it, cleared a lot of cobwebs and it's afforded me a much better perspective on the lockdown situation, seeing the positives that are coming from it instead of focusing on the negatives.
 
Yeah the DOC peak can be quite sedating, after that it becomes more energized to me. However the entire experience is characterized by a physical calmness that isn't remotely jittery (except often for the come-up which can be jittery and a bit uncomfortable).

You're right, there are a lot of experiences of it being very deep. It's deep, but I just find it to be a very grounded substance. On higher doses the peak can be very otherworldly, but I have never detected even a hint of the psychedelic "void/oneness" loop that I get from other really strong psychedelics like many tryptamines, 2C-E, and others.

Did you get a lot of color saturation? It's a lot more pronounced during the day, outside. I love DOC outside in the daytime. Colors become phenomenally beautiful. It has fantastic effects on color perception. The last time I did it, I took it at noon, and at sunset it was the peak moment. I stood/floated in the ocean and looked straight up and drifted for 2 hours, completely transfixed by the sunset colors in the clouds. And the clouds were morphing constantly in a very fractallized and gorgeous way. The colors were so beautiful it brought tears to my eyes. :) <3

Something tells me that your setting had a role to play in your magical experience 😉
 
It helped, for sure, however DOC consistently gives me very worthwhile experiences.

Thanks for quoting that, it reminds me of that lovely trip, which was now quite some years ago. :)
 
I generally agree with this. I find oral methamphetamine very similar to vyvanse.

That being said... We have to accept that, regardless of whether we blame the dose or ROA, meth has very negative consequences for a very significant percentage of it's users. I wouldn't call the drug evil, but as an epidemiological phenomenon it's about as evil as it gets.
Where are you getting this information from, because the majority of people who try meth never have problems. Even in the hey day of Obetrol ... Just look up the work of Dr Carl Hart for discussions regarding empirical evidence of meth-amphetamine use and addiction.

Addiction is generally a coping mechanism to trauma, and the War on Drugs does little to minimise the trauma of addicts and users, in fact it perpetuates it.

Another great read is Chasing the Scream.
 
Absolutely, allergy testing is a must for new compounds and new batches. It brings to mind back in 2006 or 2007 or whenever, when that guy had a custom synth of 2C-B-fly done and was trying to distribute it, and he took what would have been a safe dose of 2C-B-fly to test it. Unfortunately the lab that made it actually made DOB-dragonfly, and the guy died from an overdose, by vasoconstriction (DOB-dragonfly is among the most dangerously vasoconstricting psychedelics we've yet come across). If he had allergy tested 1mg, he would have gotten significant effects and realized it wasn't 2C-B-fly, but instead he just went for it and paid for that mistake with his life.
This cannot be understated! Always do an allergy test.
 
Yeah the comeup 2-3 hours can really suck and range from uncomfortable to weird or apparently worse. IMO assuming you have the energy to go the duration, it's the main downside to DOC - I didn't have many others.
I think it probably really pays to find a way to skip or ramp up that comeup quickly like by nasal or vaped administration?

Your fugue state sounds like dissociation and even amnesia... In xIHKAL sometimes such strange states of consciousness are described like Beth state or fugue state. I wouldn't be too quick to categorize a drug based on a limited number of times or limited number of people who react that way.

Interesting that sunifiram also caused something like that, would not have expected it.
Beth states are not fugue. Beth states are quote


This drug was the first definition of the term, Beth state.

There is something of the Fournier Transform in any and all drug experiments. A psychedelic drug experience is a complex combination of many signals going all at the same time. Something like the sound of an oboe playing the notes of the A-major scale. There are events that occur in sequence, such as the initial A, followed by B, followed by C-sharp and on and on. That is the chronology of the experience, and it can be written down as a series of perceived phenomena. The notes of the scale. Black quarter notes, with flags at the tops of their staffs, going up the page of music.

But within each of these single events, during the sounding of the note "A," for example, there is a complex combination of harmonics being produced at the same time, including all components from the fundamental oscillation on up through all harmonics into the inaudible. This mixture defines the played instrument as being an oboe. Each component may be shared by many instruments, but the particular combination is the unique signature of the oboe.

This analogy applies precisely to the study of psychedelic drugs and their actions. Each drug has a chronology of effect, like the notes of the A-major scale. But there are many components of a drug's action, like the harmonics from the fundamental to the inaudible which, taken in concert, defines the drug. With musical instruments, these components can be shown as sine waves on an oscilloscope. One component, 22%, was a sine wave at a frequency of 1205 cycles, and a phase angle of +55!. But in psychopharmacology? There is no psychic oscillo-scope. There are no easily defined and measured harmonics or phase angles. Certainly, any eventual definition of a drug will require some such dissection into components each of which makes some contribution to the complex whole. The mental process may some day be defined by a particular combination of these components. And one of them is this Beth state. It is a state of uncaring, of anhe-donia, and of emotionlessness.”

From above -
“And one of them is this Beth state. It is a state of uncaring, of anhe-donia, and of emotionlessness.”

I found this common on DOI.
 
The Beth state is defined by Shulgin as an anhedonic state, but the individual reports in PiHKAL describing it (ALEPH-7 & ALEPH-4) definitely make it seem like a fugue state.
 
The come-up to DOC is pretty long, but for me, whenever I occupy myself with something (hiking is the best activity for it), rather than sitting around, I enjoy the come-up. If I sit around and wait for it, it can be quite uncomfortable.
 
I've been toying with the idea of doing a home trip on DOC for a long time now (I was always on a hike), the most I've taken is 4.5mg which honestly didn't feel that much stronger than my first trip on 2.5mg, a little tolerance might have been in play. It's been at least a year for me, but I have more experience with DOx since then and in hindsight I feel like DOC never fully fully developed for me, I might be wrong on this. This is what I want to find out so....
I wonder if high doses (7+mg) change the character of the drug? Like, is there another level to it. I've skimmed through the B&Ds and quite a few have taken that high or even higher (10+mg), but I suspect that often heavy tolerance was in play or that the DOC itself was impure or cut. There's not too much qualitative info on these doses apart from that they're absolutely amazing most of the time.
 
The first DOC trip report I remember reading was someone taking I think 10mg, and they had an otherworldly experience where they reported experiencing a portal opening up like a window to another dimension, or something. It's been a long time, I don't remember the details.

Personally, 3mg is plenty for me, but you seem to be more of a hardhead than me. 7mg isn't going to be dangerous, and DOC is so good-natured, I'm sure you'll be able to handle it.
 
Yeah DOC is indeed good natured, and I have some experience with high-ish doses of DOx, so I'd think 7mg would be no problem.
I did read plenty of reports of people that had a psychotic episode on higher doses, this does kinda worry me.

I'll see, maybe some day comes, I'm so curious anyway. I was surprised at how many people only found DOC mildly stimulating even on high doses, I mean, I have to walk for hours to be able to sit down somewhat still. That's how I remember it at least.
If it isn't a high homedose, I'll do a hike day on a good spring/summer day for sure. This is one of the only phenethylamine RCs that has 3-part B&Ds :) one of the best...
 
It's stimulating, but not as stimulating as actual stimulants, in my experience. Not as stimulating as DOiP, either. For me, it provides a strong body energy, especially in the come-up, but it doesn't really raise my heart rate much or anything. I's mostly a limb energy which makes it hard to keep still until later on.
 
It varies from person to person. People do often find it to be stimulating, but most find it to be much less so than DOB, DOI, DOM, or DOiP, and some find it to be relaxing.

FWIW my friends and I only find the stimulation to be an issue during the first hour or two of the experience (at 2.5mg.) It needs to be channeled into an activity during this phase or it gets annoying. During the rest of the experience, I don't find the stimulation to be particularly prominent. I'm generally sensitive to phenethylamine/amphetamine stimulants, but the psychedelic amphetamines haven't been bad. I find DOC (and DOM) to provide an easygoing and peaceful stimulation, while things like 5-MeO-MET,4-AcO-EPT, even to some extent 2C-B weirdly have been more edgy, anxious and uncomfortable.
 
The biggest mistake you can make with DOC specifically - in my opinion - is not being physically active the first few hours. Out of any drug it's pretty much mandatory - or at least, that's how I relate to it.
 
The biggest mistake you can make with DOC specifically - in my opinion - is not being physically active the first few hours. Out of any drug it's pretty much mandatory - or at least, that's how I relate to it.

Its so long so ime it should be started outdoors hiking or something.
 
Yeah, but if you wanna go for a strong dose, that's not really an option. The stimulation isn't what I'm worried about, I'm somewhat experienced with strong DOx stimulation, and it's mainly the vasoconstriction in combination with the stimulation that makes it rough, but l-arginine has worked wonders in the past for me.
 
Sitting in a dark room in 2016, I reached into a tin, picked out a bag of dichloro-methylphenidate, dropped an estimated bump on my tongue and went about what I was doing.

At some point, not long after this, a candelabra in the corner of my bedroom began disintegrating into golden pollen, then there were bees, and butterflies and too many other startlements to tell.

I looked down at the camphor table and the bold black text on the bag remained seared across my vision even after I looked away.

DOC

I had picked out the wrong bag, taken an unknown dose of the strongest psychedelic in my arsenal. I'd heard stories of others who had been hospitalized or died by a few milligrams.

I ate benzos, quietly accepted a fate beyond my control and ended up having an incredible experience (after a great deal of panic had run it's course).

I was always so careful when dealing with DOC. Gloves, disposable spoons, washing down every surface within 10 metres.. I never accounted for something as simple as mispicking a bag though.
 
A long time ago when I got my first gram of DOC @Kaden_Nite i used to use this mini-flat head screw driver to take out little bumps to put in my mouth not weighing it, super reckless. Each time I'd kinda lose myself in fractals for a portion of the peak and I'd always pour sweat during the trip and sometimes heavy bodyload, the trips were amazing overall tho but it was real dumb I had lost my scale during the period and should just not of taken DOC at the time. Not sure how much I was taking but could have surely been around 10mgs, I'd take Etizolam when it got too speedy. This is very dangerous and I would never do such a thing now I always weigh DOx and then use further liquid measurement. Back in my 20's I could be pretty reckless now looking back in hindsight.
 
Sitting in a dark room in 2016, I reached into a tin, picked out a bag of dichloro-methylphenidate, dropped an estimated bump on my tongue and went about what I was doing.

At some point, not long after this, a candelabra in the corner of my bedroom began disintegrating into golden pollen, then there were bees, and butterflies and too many other startlements to tell.

I looked down at the camphor table and the bold black text on the bag remained seared across my vision even after I looked away.

DOC

I had picked out the wrong bag, taken an unknown dose of the strongest psychedelic in my arsenal. I'd heard stories of others who had been hospitalized or died by a few milligrams.

I ate benzos, quietly accepted a fate beyond my control and ended up having an incredible experience (after a great deal of panic had run it's course).

I was always so careful when dealing with DOC. Gloves, disposable spoons, washing down every surface within 10 metres.. I never accounted for something as simple as mispicking a bag though.
Lucky you didn’t decide to snort a big line. May not be here to tell us the tale.

Smarten up god damn it! Don’t be so careless.
 
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