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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

It was totally a real Rat. I just thought it would be an interesting piece to add to the thread. Now granted, I love LSD, but I'm not a big fan of phenethylamines; if I had actually done that much DOC , I wouldn't have felt in any way that it was a learning or transcendental experience, I would have had a massive anxiety attack and felt like I was crack-speeding towards my inevitable doom teetering on the edge of consciousness and playing hide-n-go seek with my sanity, so the fact that my Rat handled it in stride is significant.
Granted - she was never quite the same afterwards. But she was always really happy and lived a long and healthy Rat-life.

Although - I did just read this on wikipedia "Acute toxicity studies on phenethylamines show an LD50 = 100 mg/kg, after intravenous administration to mice.[25] Consumption of large quantities by mice has been associated with Parkinson's disease-like neurological deficits.[26]"
 
It provides a very unique visual effect. It makes things seem cartoony--almost like the art style of the game Borderlands. Very cool, and totally distinct from any other psychedelic I've touched.
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I think your the one that also commented pages back about staring at something and things look like they animate in frames.. I get this too with DOC. Its dose dependent and sometimes it happens more on the comedown phase. I've had my vision go down to only 2 frames/second which made my vision look like a super high resolution "HD" camera taking pictures twice a second - which made certain things hard to do since I wasn't getting fast updates.

The frame rate goes down while the resolution goes up (but often making things look extremely detailed but in a way also distorted). DOC does the opposite of what DMT does to me which is increase the frame rate while dropping detail (instead of less pixels to me it is more like less complicated geometry).

I wish people would try to notice these details about certain psychedelics and talk about them more, its the perfect type of example of how we can use psychedelics to study how the brain works from an "inside" perspective.. maybe there is something about the 5HT2A receptor like a part of it that somehow regulates geometry/frame rate etc.. certain drugs tend to turn it up and down and seems to be somewhat repeatable over a large number of people. Interesting shit for sure :).
 
Hey, I've just taken slightly more than half a blotter of 1mg DOC about 50 minutes ago. Probably about 0.5-0.6mg as a sort of tester dose (first time). At the moment I'm feeling the ever so slightest hint of euphoria and some mild amphetamine like stimulation and I no longer feel like eating breakfast x). Will this continue to build up a bit more for the next hour or two, as larger doses apparently do?

I know I won't "trip" from this, but I went through a phase of taking tiny doses of LSD in the mornings to "brighten up my day" at the peak of those mini-trips I'd get deeper thoughts and everything would have a bit of psychedelic sparkle to it. I'm guessing this will be similar type of day?
 
Yeah it will build around the same rate of time, it won't get strong but .5mg is definitely active. In fact I used to take .5-1mg fairly often because it would lead to a weaker version of the glorious DOC plateau which I love so much... a low dose like this seems to skip the peak phase and just head more quickly into the plateau, so in that way the dynamics are changed. It won't last as long in total but it still lasts most of a day.
 
St3ve said:
I know I won't "trip" from this, but I went through a phase of taking tiny doses of LSD in the mornings to "brighten up my day" at the peak of those mini-trips I'd get deeper thoughts and everything would have a bit of psychedelic sparkle to it. I'm guessing this will be similar type of day?
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This is exactly what I use low-dose DOC for.
 
I was pleasantly surprised by how potent that DOC was! At about 3 hrs after taking it I scraped together the last dose of MXE I had lying around (20-30mg) and took that. When that kicked in I was at a lovely ++ for about an hour and a half. The remainder of the trip was a mellow yet undeniably present +. I noticed that the energy came in slow waves that'd last an hour to a few hours and would then be followed by a period of feeling pretty sedated, I'd rest and the energy would come back a while later. Visuals were negligible at this dose, things looked brighter and sharper outside though, this HD vision some others have mentioned I guess.

In the beginning of the experience DOC reminded me quite a bit of San Pedro, there was this very genuine empathogenic quality to it (I really wanted to ask randomers on the street whether they too enjoyed the lovely autumn weather and things like that). Much different from say MDMA where I'd just want to tell how great I am feeling. The stimulation to it was similar to both LSD and a very clean non-pushy/non-rushy amphetamine kind of buzz.

Can't wait to try out a proper dose in a few weeks!
 
Glad you had a nice time. :) DOC is a very potent chemical. It reminds me of mescaline as well, I generally tell people that it feels like some sort of offspring of mescaline and LSD, if they want to hear it compared to something.
 
Yeah I can see how you'd make that comparison, I guess it'll only become clearer once I've tried a fuller dose :D. DOC had both the very emotional aspect of cactus and the analytical side that LSD gives, makes for a very well-rounded trip.

Mescaline is probably the best feeling psychedelic I've tried. Eating the cactus puts me off of doing it again though... Extracting could solve that problem but you'd lose product and change the experience. Natural psychedelics are best had as unprocessed as possible I think. Having to go through a bit of a battle during ingestion is part of what makes the experience!

LSD feel very different but the ease of taking it and the analytical side to it made me instantly fall in love xD. Abused it for a while and sort of lost the plot a bit. Don't see myself getting into trouble with DOC though, the come up was sort of rough at times and the long duration would make me think twice about just casually dropping some...
 
Xorkoth said:
Glad you had a nice time. :) DOC is a very potent chemical. It reminds me of mescaline as well, I generally tell people that it feels like some sort of offspring of mescaline and LSD, if they want to hear it compared to something.
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And there you go peaking my interest in DOC again! It sounds like a wonderful chemical. My only qualms are the bodyload issues some people have brought up and the duration.

Tachycardia, increased blood pressure, and vasoconstriction are side effects that worry me quite a bit. I've never had any cardiovascular issues, but for whatever reason those effects always worry me. That's why I generally avoid phenethylamines.
 
Yeah the DOC come-up can be rough, recently I had a very unnerving come-up even though generally it's pretty mild for me since I've taken it a lot and I have a very strong stomach. There is a lot of energy and it sometimes makes me feel very alien and weird and out of sorts... it always resolves once the come-up is done but I had difficulty getting there this recent time.

Yeah DOC is very emotionally opening, it's probably my favorite thing about it. And the body high always changes to feeling really good once the first few hours have passed (and sometimes it's good the whole time). I've had full-on euphoria that I liked better than MDMA from it, including nystagmus. I personally love the duration because for me, it never gets tiring or cracked out feeling, it just gets more enjoyable the more time that goes on. Hours 10-16/18/20 are usually my favorite part of it because the strong trip goes away and I just feel like I'm an optimized state... everything is flowing, everything works, I can accomplish any tasks I normally can except my mind is even sharper and more active, anything I think about I go very in-depth with and my inspiration flows easily. A full DOC trip is a journey that begins with you breaking apart a bit, and then slowly as it progresses you pull yourself back together and are rewarded with a beautiful, complete state where you feel completely in tune and flowing. I do get some vasoconstriction from it but the only times it was worrying was when I was abusing it and taking it quite often... the vasoconstriction just got worse and worse as I went on.
 
I may have to give it a try someday. There are still so many tryptamines to try though, who knows when I'll get to it.
 
theacidtest said:
And there you go peaking my interest in DOC again! It sounds like a wonderful chemical. My only qualms are the bodyload issues some people have brought up and the duration.

Tachycardia, increased blood pressure, and vasoconstriction are side effects that worry me quite a bit. I've never had any cardiovascular issues, but for whatever reason those effects always worry me. That's why I generally avoid phenethylamines.
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If your lucky like me you may not even get any significant bodyload, so I wouldn't let that stop you from giving a try. I get no nausea or tachycardia from DOC, and the vasoconstriction isn't too bad. The comeup is a bit... awkward I guess and you may experience a bit of stimulation (I don't for some odd reason) but DOC feels very safe and clean IMO. Great substance with intense, beautiful visuals... I just wish it had more body euphoria and depth, if it did it would be one of my favorite psychs.
 
How bad is the vasoconstriction for you? I occasionally get tingly fingers from LSD, I wouldn't say it's too bad, mostly a minor annoyance. I probably just have poor circulation from smoking about half a pack of cigarettes every day.
 
Just cold hands and feet, no tingles, no feeling like my veins are being pulled, very little tension... well there is muscle tension like most psychs, but I've had worse. I've gone as high as 6mgs, though at this dose I'd imagine my BP was a bit high, but my heart wasnt pounding or anything.
 
Well that's encouraging. I may have to give it a shot, probably like 2mg to begin with. Now to just find a damn phenethylamine vendor that ships to the US.
 
There's definitely a good vendor who supplies this material stateside. The only time that it got to me was just a bad set up. I dropped and within a half hour, tried eating breakfast sausage and some beer. I think the grease threw me belly off and I vomited. Still had a wonderful trip mountain hiking in WV. Can't remember the dose, over a year ago, but absolutely amazing after about 45ish minutes of discomfort
 
I don't know, I just notice I get the eye wiggles a lot from really euphoric stuff. Maybe it's related, maybe not, but it's related in my mind.

I find it to be very utilitarian and also fun, it's not super deep like tryptamines or, say, 2C-E, but it has a great amount of emotional depth. I've had several very important trips on it, two this summer as I was processing some very intense stuff, which really helped me to get past some blockages.
 
I'm planning to try DOC soon, at maybe 4mg.

From what I've read, it seems like a very benign substance, with a very clean and comfortable body high. But the nausea and body load on the comeup that is sometimes reported seems to worry me a bit.

I was thinking about using ginger root, would that do any help?

For me, LSD only gives some light, but really annoying muscle tension throught the entire trip, with no noticeable vasoconstriction and absolutely no nausea, except for a slightly upset stomatch at the comeup. How does DOC compare? Should I be expecting the side effects to be anything too different?
 
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