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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

Mabey next time consider dyeing your inositol to highlight any potential hotspots. I have been considering a similar method after discovering the lack of nausea when insufflating DOC compared to taking it orally.

Nothing to worry about really. It was dissolved and then dried while swirling the slurry around. It would simply precipitate on the inositol granules, like making palladium on charcoal or barium sulfate catalysts. Besides, I always thoroughly crush and mix the resulting powder. Pretty unlikely I could have missed a 1+ mg chunk. There are no chunks at all. It's a consistent fine powder. I'm pretty good at stuff like this. I'm sure not going to put dye in it. Not too fond of the idea of snorting dye. Now if some screwup out there wants to do this process then yeah, maybe they would need dye. I can personally tell when a powder is consistent.
 
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I have a cheap $20 scale, but I do have the crystalline batch of DOC. I suppose I could just try snorting a tiny amount when already on DOC if I want a boost. Or I could make a saturated solution and squirt tiny bits of liquid (of a precisely known dosage) into my nose. Probably the better solution there.
 
I'm pretty good at eyeballing things though I never do(I know by playing guessing games like using a screw driver to get a certain amount of powder and guessing its weight before putting on the scale)except with booster nasal DOC. I found it extremely easy to do since I would use about one or so small granules then go from there. A nasal solution sounds nice though, what I was planning to do if my friend will sell me a bit!
 
Is it safe to say that if I make a 50ml solution of 1mg/ml in grain alcohol, then transfer the liquid into individual 5ml vials that the dosage would be fairly consistent even though the solubility is much higher than 1mg/ml?
 
Is it safe to say that if I make a 50ml solution of 1mg/ml in grain alcohol, then transfer the liquid into individual 5ml vials that the dosage would be fairly consistent even though the solubility is much higher than 1mg/ml?

Yes, absolutely. When substances are fully dissolved in solvents, their dispersion is uniform (not fairly consistent but precisely consistent). It's not even necessary to shake the solution beforehand, though it can't hurt. A fully-dissolved solution will remain uniformly distributed indefinitely unless it precipitates (which could happen due to temperature change or something else added to the solution... for 1mg/mL of DOC, a temperature change will not affect it. If you had a saturated solution (maybe 30-50mg/mL, just guessing at the exact amount), a temperature change to colder might precipitate some out - and you would see the precipitate - but at 1mg/mL you have nothing to worry about whatsoever).

Just shake or stir it up until no more crystal DOC is visible, and it will all be dissolved and you'll be good.
 
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Solid, thanks for the input. I've done solutions multiple times before but never hurts to double check with potent substances!
 
Hey guys. So I've come across some blotters, provided to me as DOC+LSD. Most likely either DOC blotters, acid or some other single substance I think as that mixture seems an unlikely one (is it?). Going to do an Ehrlich test nonetheless once I get around to ordering a kit. I am completely unfamiliar with DOC though I've read a bit about it. I read that DOC should give the following colours on reagents:
Marquis - yellow, changing to green. Slow to develop
Mecke - brown/green
Mandellin - yellow
Anybody that can confirm this first hand? I'm aware of the fact that a bunch of substances have about the same reaction colour, but not a lot of them are found on blotter. I'm going to decide what to do once I identify what is on the blotter, but was also wondering what safety profile DOC has? I'm mostly looking for physical concerns in case the blotters contain a hefty dose and for an indication of how unpredictable the substance is (25i comes to mind as being particularly unpredictable, I'm looking to avoid such substances). Both my mate that provided me with the blotters and his girlfriend, more experienced psychonauts than me, had a pretty intense and memorable but not overpowering or in any way uncomfortable trip on one blotter each
 
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With an unknown dosage blotter, if it's DOC, I would start with half just to be safe. You never know if the guy/gal who laid it messed up the dose, or if it's even DOC and not an nbome, etc. Those are my feelings around it at least. I've seen DOC pushed easily to higher doses than what i would GUESS could be laid on a blotter, but that's also dependent on the person. I've taken it up to around 8mg (NOT AT ALL SAYING THIS SHOULD BE EVEN NEAR A STARTING DOSE), but I personally know quite a few people that have gone higher. I HIGHLY doubt it's both DOC and LSD on the same blotter. As far as its resulting reagent color, I'm not sure.
 
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Man I'm really starting to think I'm slightly allergic to DOC, it always causes me some serious G.I. issues. The last few times I attributed it to using a slightly less than pure powder form but after insufflating 3mgs of crystalline doc tonight its safe to say I react very negatively to this substance which is a damn shame.
 
Agreed that if the reagent test results indicate DOC, start with half a tab. I think most reasonable people would keep the dose in the 2-3mg range (a reasonable first experience which would probably be in line with the experience your friends reported), but I wouldn't be surprised to hear of some reckless or hard-headed individual laying doses at 5mg/per. DOC is IMO fully active at threshold levels with under a milligram of material, so I doubt half a blotter would fall short of being enough to give you a feel for things. Always safer to undershoot your mark than overshoot it. Obviously there are various individual idiosyncrasies with regards to dose response, but for most people I would think a first trial of DOC at 4-5mg could become very overwhelming.

The "LSD + DOC" advertisement would make me very wary of the source though. It does seem highly unlikely and not particularly desirable to have both chemicals dosed on the same paper. I commend you for performing reagent tests; please do the sensible thing and continue to tread with caution. Perhaps the source used both chemicals in naming the product to underhandedly emphasize the fact that many people find the DOC experience to be closely comparable to LSD on a number of levels.

Speaking to DOC more generally, if you like LSD I'd expect you to like DOC unless the extended duration is a significant turnoff. I find the visuals to be very reminiscent of LSD visuals but even more intricately detailed, while the headspace is more calm and sedate, allowing the intensity of the trip to ebb and flow with how you are feeling in the moment. At moderate doses, it seems equally suited to exploratory naturalist adventures and meditative introspective journeys depending on what you are hoping to get out of it. At higher doses, sensory input can become a little overwhelming and you may find yourself becoming anywhere from agitated and confused to blissfully couch-locked.

Definitely familiarize yourself with the time investment that DOC requires before embarking on your trip. And I would especially urge you to avoid redosing at all costs during your first experience. Plan the day knowing that something magical could happen, but be prepared to be underwhelmed (if you start low, like you should). Redosing DOC is a slippery slope because of the long come up and peak. Many users report no effects until the two hour mark, and full intensity is often not reached until 8 hours or more into the trip. Stay safe and don't be afraid to ask more questions.
 
Man I'm really starting to think I'm slightly allergic to DOC, it always causes me some serious G.I. issues. The last few times I attributed it to using a slightly less than pure powder form but after insufflating 3mgs of crystalline doc tonight its safe to say I react very negatively to this substance which is a damn shame.
I always thought fasting and psychedelics went hand and hand, but recently some posts here have gotten me thinking otherwise. I've actually had considerable success with mitigating GI disturbance on a number of PEAs (DOC, 25D-NBOMe, BK-2C-B) by immediately treating symptoms with a light, healthy snack like fresh fruit or veggies, yogurt, a smoothie, a meal replacement bar, or some bread. And water, water, water.

The eating was counterintuitive to me at first, but I think it is gradually working it's way into my ritual. I always try to plan out all of my meals for the duration of a long trip the day beforehand so I don't have to think about what to eat or when. Eating regular, healthy meals throughout a trip seems to definitely decrease the negative aspects of body load, especially during the come down if I have stuck to my meal plan.

Often a beer or two along the way can help as well, but if you're not usually a drinker I could see this exacerbating the problem. I am especially fond of some light drinking during the occasionally rough coming up from 5-MeO-MiPT. I still really want to take like 12mg to a fancy restaurant with the wife, add it to a bottle of wine at the start of the meal, and just sip our way through it over the course of the night while absolutely binging out on those moxy munchies -- but that's a whole other post for a different thread.
 
Thank you both Contained and MundaneDivinity for your detailed responses! I will continue to tread with caution indeed. The blotters are in the freezer in aluminium foil in an airtight container so there's no rush, I'm going to do a whole lot more reading before deciding what to do. I'm not afraid of trying a new hallucinogen but it's things like 25i that worry me so I'm going to try to rule out that first. The DOC+LSD advertisement is indeed weird, so I suspect it's dealer talk (not coming from my mate but from his contact) and it's probably going to be a single substance

As for redosing don't worry. I have three blotters, one for reagent testing purposes and one each for me and a mate so there will be no redosing, except for when we decide to start with half a blotter and that turns out to be underwhelming after enough time has passed, we'll then take the second half. If I have any more questions I'll return to this thread, again thank you for the responses
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but you can probably do the reagent test with half a blotter, leaving a half blotter test dose and a full blotter each for you and your friend to fully trip on. If they are dosed reasonably (2-3mg each), starting with a half and then redosing the second half 2-4 hours later will probably result in a long, drawn out, underwhelming trip.

Definitely try to rule out any NBOMEs though. There is a lot of overly-potent NBOMe blotter floating around and IMO they are not even worth experimenting with in that form because of the strong possibility of overdose.
 
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Yeah I probably could indeed, that is a very good tip, thank you!

I've done some more reading and came up with an added safety precaution (I think). I know LSD is active orally with about the same potency, though a slower comeup, than when administered sublingually. Now I've read that this is also true for DOC, is this correct? Because if it is, I'm going to test the blotters and if they test positive for DOC or LSD I'm going to swallow them, because the NBOMe's aren't active when swallowed, only sublingually and only when held there for a good amount of time. I know that if they test positive for DOC or LSD it's very unlikely that they also contain an NBOMe, but if it can't hurt to swallow them I'd like to do that, just to be extra sure
 
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but you can probably do the reagent test with half a blotter, leaving a half blotter test dose and a full blotter each for you and your friend to fully trip on. If they are dosed reasonably (2-3mg each), starting with a half and then redosing the second half 2-4 hours later will probably result in a long, drawn out, underwhelming trip.

Definitely try to rule out any NBOMEs though. There is a lot of overly-potent NBOMe blotter floating around and IMO they are not even worth experimenting with in that form because if the strong possibility of overdose.

Great advice here with testing a half blotter then using the other half as a potency gauger. Redosing is not a very good idea with DOx's.

I know LSD is active orally with about the same potency, though a slower comeup, than when administered sublingually. Now I've read that this is also true for DOC, is this correct?

LSD and DOC are not similar in potency. DOC is active in the low mg range and LSD in the ug range. Very very very big difference. LSD takes about 15-40min to kick in orally depending on if you've got food in your stomach and your personal metabolism speed, and DOC takes anywhere from 1-2 hours orally, usually closer to 1.5hr for me.

I agree that swallowing is the better idea here, but just for you to know for future HR purposes, it's possible to complex the nbome's to make them orally bioavailable, so using oral administration as a sole qualifier for weather or not it's NBOMe is not a good idea. Reagent testing is always the best way to go. (I don't want this to sound like I thought you wouldn't be testing in the future, just adding this so you know that NBOMe can be orally bioavailable if complexed).
 
I will contribute that putting your dose in a beverage really kinda staggers the onset. I was only sipping the drink and my goal was to ingest over an hour, which I was mainly successful at ( ended up dumping the last few sips out though). I was a little jittery and it took about four hours to feel comfortable on it. After everything fell into place it was sublime, but those 4 hours - no thanks for a second go like that. Also, fwiw, it was a Singapore sling (thanks Hunter!!).
 
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