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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

DOC has loads of therapeutic potential for me. It just took a little while to get used to the state. The first couple of times it feels very languid and hedonistic. After some experience, though, there really is a surprisingly accessible dream-like trance filled with fantastically detailed CEVs waiting for you behind your eyelids. Within a minute or two of closing your eyes, the outside world is almost forgotten. For me, this usually starts with imagery related to something that happens to be troubling me at the time; this is where I am often tempted to open my eyes right away, but if I am able to sustain the assault, it always leads to a place of peace, understanding, and joy. Opening your eyes from this state really feels almost like waking up from a light, mentally and physically refreshing nap. In fact, I think utilizing a portion of the peak for this experience may be an important aspect in tolerating what some people find to be the excessive length of the trip.

I've also taken doses up to 4.4mg of DOC with limited physical discomfort. It's just that I've taken LSD before in microdoses as a sort of enhancer for creative work, a slight mood lift, or as a social lubricant. I have heard of others using this in similar ways and just curious what doses were used, since my one low dose experience with this gave me mostly undesirable effects with very little of the good.
 
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MundaneDivinity said:
DOC has loads of therapeutic potential for me. It just took a little while to get used to the state. The first couple of times it feels very languid and hedonistic. After some experience, though, there really is a surprisingly accessible dream-like trance filled with fantastically detailed CEVs waiting for you behind your eyelids. Within a minute or two of closing your eyes, the outside world is almost forgotten. For me, this usually starts with imagery related to something that happens to be troubling me at the time; this is where I am often tempted to open my eyes right away, but if I am able to sustain the assault, it always leads to a place of peace, understanding, and joy. Opening your eyes from this state really feels almost like waking up from a light, mentally and physically refreshing nap. In fact, I think utilizing a portion of the peak for this experience may be an important aspect in tolerating what some people find to be the excessive length of the trip.

I've also taken doses up to 4.4mg of DOC with limited physical discomfort. It's just that I've taken LSD before in microdoses as a sort of enhancer for creative work, a slight mood lift, or as a social lubricant. I have heard of others using this in similar ways and just curious what doses were used, since my one low dose experience with this gave me mostly undesirable effects with very little of the good.
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Doc is a horrible social lubricant for me a least I cannot carry a simple conversation without fogeting completely what I was going to tell some body, though I am quite the pot head so that might explain a little I can't have any lets da intellectual conversation. I think if this as eye candy nothing spiritual at least after the first initial dose is always euphoric to most people.
 
I find low doses (0.5-1mg) perfect for socializing. Even higher doses (over 3mg) are good for me after the peak when the second plateau takes place. I love to get little drunk too at that phase
 
I've recently came across some DOC and dissolved 115mg into a 15mL bottle of everclear (151 proof) and added a small amount of lemon juice to help dissolve it completely. Though "drips" are not a confirmed unit of measurement, we did the math and 4 drops equal around 1mg (26 drops equaled about 1mL). I placed 4 drops into a marshmallow, and so on for 3 other marshmallows. I gave my friend two of these marshmallows and warned her to only take 1. A few hours later she texted me saying she was on the second one and hasn't felt anything. I assured her the comeup could be long, and the trip much longer. The next morning I spoke with her and she still denies any effects. What went wrong here? I plan on doing the same thing I did with the marshmallows here momentarily, and dosing both.
 
Marshmallows sound like terrible things to put drugs in. This is all bro-science, but it seems to me that the goopy nature of it could allow for the chemical to not be reached by stomach fluids and thus block effects? That's worded absolutely terribly, but I hope you see my point. Put it in something more digestible and easily broken down such as a cracker or bread.
 
not everyone is gonna feel much until you hit like 2.5mg

not sure how experienced your gf is with psyches but I find that most people act like they aren't feeling anything until they're tripping face. Especially if they're the type that takes ADHD medication and claim that amphs dont work for them or something like that. Some people aren't as sensitive to subtle increases in awareness.
 
Well I dosed both marshmallows (2mg) and had awesome effects. This is my first time trying DOC and I was impressed. I suppose you are right SONN. Another person is saying it isn't working, so I'm afraid of increasing the dosage. Just sounds unsafe to give 2.5/3 mg as a first time dose.
 
Increase DOC doses by .5mg each time, because .5mg makes a big difference. The dose response curve is pretty steep honestly. 3mg for me is usually a fully active but very manageable dose. 3.5mg usually gets pretty hectic for a bit. 4mg is always powerful, and 4.5mg is usually too much for me (discomfort starts to become a much bigger issue and the clarity of the headspace decreases).
 
I'll have some of this product very shortly, already placed the order, express shipment. From what I've read, this one should be a keeper. Seems like a good compound all around, except for the rather lengthy trip duration. I guess the main effects only last maybe 8 hours or so and the rest is sort of a prolonged afterglow phase. Tripping on DOC must be a lot like fishing, you gotta get an early start. Is there much in the way of undesirable physical effects with this one, like stomach upset or anything? I haven't read much about that being the case but I just thought I'd try to get some firsthand information from some experienced users in this thread. 25c wasn't too bad for that, so I'm guessing DOC will be fairly similar in that respect. I also considered getting some DOM but DOC seems to be the gem of the series from what I've read so far.
 
There are always mixed reports with psychedelic drugs but the DOxx series, particularly DOM & DOB, seem quite likely to produce difficult trips. I concluded this after about 3 years worth of reading & research into Psychedelic Phenethylamines & finally settle upon DOC as my DOxx of choice for those reasons. I was worried for a time that choosing the least challenging of the DOxx options might mean I miss out on the deeper side of psychedelic use, but this turned out not to be the case. DOC has proven quite capable of producing deeper trips than many other psychedelics phens.

I've probably had around 20, perhaps 30, trips on DOC. I started out with about 50ug, & worked up to 1mg before getting any real idea of the effects. 1.25mg turned out to be a perfect hiking/gigging/festie hit & that dose makes up the bulk of my DOC experiences. I've taken DOC abroad & find it brilliant for confidently wandering new towns or hiking in the wilderness. I eventually worked my way up to a 2mg dose, which is as high as I've gone, but on one of these occassions, about halfway through the DOC trip, I started wacking 25mg bombs of 4-ho-met into the mix, totalling 75mg. The combined visual effects of these two compounds brought some hours of unique experiences easilly into the +++ arena. However, the met wore off quite quickly & took any lingering DOC effects with it. So, perhaps surprisingly, I found that adding a Tryptamine to the DOC peak actually brough the DOC duration DOWN a bit. Unfortunately, I spent the last few hours of this trip alone & found it quite difficult, but that's the only time I've been quite happy for DOC to wear off earlier than usual.

DOM, rather than DOC, makes the venerable Mr Shulgins "magical half dozen". But DOC sure as hell makes mine! =D 2c-t-2, DOC, Al-Lad, LSz, 4-ho-met & Psilocybin. Thats my 6!
 
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DOC makes my "magical top 4". Generally it's my favorite to take because its effect profile is consistently positive and wonderful for me, but there are several (including some not in my top 4) that produce deeper trips. However, DOC is great for being able to go pretty deep (especially emotionally... also I have had a few particularly deep trips on it. But it's most valuable as an emotionally opening/deepening tool for me), while still retaining a lot of euphoria, confidence, and sparkle. It's really great for feeling confident... it always boosts my confidence, sometimes in the first stage I get a little self-conscious but in a very manageable way that can help me to overcome those issues. By the second half I have no fear and increased social skills.

I prefer DOC to DOM any day, though DOM is also a great psychedelic. It's much crisper but I have yet to have a truly immersive trip on it and it has some jagged edges. Also very little to no euphoria (for me), whereas DOC is decidedly euphoric. I have had euphoria comparable to MDMA on it (complete with nystagmus), but so much crisper and more real. DOC feels like a life enhancer to me, everything becomes clearer, brighter, more. It kicks my inspiration and flow of thought (about anything I think about) into high gear. Basically I love the stuff. :)
 
Thanks for the feedback, Si Ingwe and Xorkoth. I think I will be happy with this compound. I've seen the affinity charts for the DOX compounds and although DOI and DOB are almost full agonists at 5-HT2a, DOC is less than half as strong an agonist, so that should make it considerably safer and mellower. DOM is way down from those three those. It's surprising that the effects are so similar. I think it requires higher doses though. DOC appears to be in the sweet spot region of the charts. It's about twice as strong a 2a agonist as LSD but not dangerously close to a full agonist. If it weren't for the long duration it would probably be pretty much a perfect psych. Potency is high enough that you don't need to buy a crapload of it but not so potent that it's inconvenient to handle. It's just about the ideal potency.

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Thanatos I don't mean to disrespect you because I honestly think you are a badass, but you're coming dangerously close to dicksizing with your doses.

I personally think you can handle 5mg, but I'm just gonna put it out there that my first dose of DOC at 3mg was the 2nd most life-changing trip of my life and it sent me into what was almost a psychosis where I was hyper-analyzing everything and thinking I was a genius and learning things about my subconscious and the nature of reality, etc.
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You ever think some people have a strong psyche and like to dose higher? I never dose less than 5mg of doc and often 8mg. It's a beautiful amazing clean substance.
 
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You ever think some people have a strong psyche and like to dose higher? I never dose less than 5mg of doc and often 8mg. It's a beautiful amazing clean substance.
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I too need to dose higher. A first timer must always start low but there is no set dose. for me 2-3mg is nice but very mild 6-8mg is intense but when i accidentally took 10mg wow that was a trip, didn't feel in any physical or psychological danger i was a bit overstimed though but nothing unbearable like with other substances.
 
I've never taken it above 5mg except a few times when I redosed a couple of hours in. Generally 3mg is very manageable for me and a bit visual and very euphoric. 3.5-4mg will often be very strong and very visual. I took 4.2mg once years back and I got lost in my chair. I haven't tried taking it higher since then. For me the side effects begin to increase at some point and the trip can become very hectic and overwhelming. By the second half it will be amazing but I usually like to use DOC for activities where I want to be able to function. If I want to be floored I take something else.

I also tend to get significant vasoconstriction with DOC, especially in my arms and legs, even at 3mg. So it makes me nervous to take it too high especially when 3-4mg is still my favorite drug to take.
 
We're all sensitive to psyches in different ways. There is nothing to show that I am tripping just as hard as you are, when I'm on 2mg & you're on 4mg. There's no way of registering the strength of an experience, of recording the level to which a person is tripping, so advsing anything other than cautious dosing to a newbie is risky at the least, particularly with compounds as powerful as DOC. For instance, although I am pretty convinced that I get a very, very similar affects from taking 4 x 25mg doses of MDMA that a mate of mine gets from necking 4 x 100mg doses there is absolutely no way of proving that! I cannot get into his head, & he cannot get into mine.
 
I love the duration, it's one of my favorite things about it. Of course for me it gets more and more comfortable towards the end. Hours 10+ are often my favorite because it changes into more of an energetic introspective euphoric state reminiscent of a really clean amphetamine but even cleaner than that. Seems like for some it starts to get a bit cracked out later on.
 
There are plenty of short & medium length psychedelics, but very few that last as long as DOC. I agree with the above, DOC's duration makes it rather unique & the DOC experience is well suited to a day out at a festival etc Th duration is useful!
 
I have found DOC to be quite unpredictable. Sometimes 2.5 mg feel like nothing, then again 3 mg recently was way overboard, despite having handled 4 mg previously just fine. Same solution, same periods between using serotoninergics.

The more I use DOC, the more I begin to dislike its sedating effect though. I am really not into enjoying CEV while listening to music in a semi-comatose state, but it appears that DOC is best suited for these activities. Prolonged physical activity (hikes etc) are quite challenging while on a hefty dose of this chemical, since physically I feel like a jelly mess, legs wobbly and struggling to keep eyes open. Interestingly, caffeine absolutely does not aid in removing this sedation, and using stronger stimulants is risky given that DOC itself elevates my pulse a great deal despite being in a good shape.

Therefore I feel a bit sad having stockpiled this chem and now finding myself falling out of love with it. Perhaps it can be combined with another more stimulating psychedelic for a better experience (2mg of DOC with 150 mcg Al-Lad were awesome, haven't tried other combos yet)?
 
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