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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

Peacephrog1972 said:
Give us a report if a ten strip of ALD-52.....don't think I've read of anyone going that high with that one
I am contemplating 5 X 125 next summer
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That's exactly what I want to do too as soon as it's hot again :D My previous experiences with ALD-52 were really lackluster on the 125-375ug range.

About DOC, I envy all of you. I used to do it weekly for a few years when I was on my twenties, but can't find the time (and the balls) for taking it nowadays. I'm pretty impressed about how the fuck could I tolerate a powerful stimulating and long psychedelic for so many time and so frequently without having a bad trip on the substance.
 
I can't imagine having a bad trip on DOC, it's so friendly and warm. I mean I guess if I took some huge amount maybe.
 
I remember back in time I was like the messiah of DOC blotters on my city, I was gifting them a lot, and only saw a bad trip once.

I remember the guy very concerned asking me "how many is this going to take?" and myself grinning and saying "forever" a few times, so probably I was the one inducing the bad trip. I managed to calm down the guy afterwards, but he reminds the experience as traumatic.

I know, I was the worse trip sitter in the world, but in my defence I was on 3mg of DOC as well, and I get fucking manic and narcistic on the substance to care a fuck about anybody :(
 
Peacephrog1972 said:
Give us a report if a ten strip of ALD-52.....don't think I've read of anyone going that high with that one
I am contemplating 5 X 125 next summer
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You know it dude nye this year watching the record company preform. Things are Gonna get wierd! ;-)
 
anyone with experience (or who knows of or has read about someone doing it) in taking DOC I.V. ?
what would be a threshold dose? what would be a maximum safe dose? what is the timeline? anything really that you can share.

i want to do a psychedelic/dissocitive combo soon possibly add some morphine for the comedown idk yet but what i am planing to do is take most of my DOC dose orally with a bit of 3meo-pce orally and prepare a iv shot for after 20-30 mins which will consist of DOC, o-pce and/or 3-meo-pce, and a tiny 25mg dose of deschloroket. my idea for the injection is to shorten the come up of the doc and also from curiosity to see what the rush feels like.
maybe throw in a balloon of nitrous oxide for intensifing the rush idk :D
 
If your plan is to IV anything that 99% of people would not, then you need to message the user "cr00k"
 
I took about 2mg of this a few weeks ago. Seems like it was just a real stimmy come on, then not much psychedelia, then a stimmy comedown.

I was outside, but there was driving and frustrating traffic involved.

I think I'll give it another go at 3-3.5mg,then if I don't like that shelve it for a while.
 
JBrandon said:
It was precisely this attitude that put me in the hospital and completely derailed my life for a year. A drug log, if you have the discipline to keep up with it, is invaluable for keeping yourself in check.

As soon as I started eyeballing after years and years of using a goddamn calibrated Sartorius and logging the doses, shit went pear-shaped with stunning rapidity.
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Thank you for your comment. It has strenghtened my resolve to take notes. It has become a habit to log my intake (excusing alcohol and weed*). It rarely happens that I wake up the next day and I'd think to myself; "I've not written that down!" I like to think that I've always noted everything down since I started the log, but there is no way to be absolutely sure, is there.

Xorkoth said:
I used to lie about my usage rate all the time on here. There a period of time in 2006-2008 where I went absolutely balls to the wall and ended up suffering from temporary narcolepsy because I barely slept for 2 years. I wouldn't even communicate a third of what I was doing because I didn't want to set a bad example (as I was a moderator even then), but even so people expressed concern to me. Crashed my car driving home from work. Fell asleep randomly in mid-sentence and I felt constantly in a fog I couldn't shake. I quit doing drugs for a while and recovered completely, lots of eating well and sleeping a lot, turns out it was just long-term exhaustion (because I'd do psychedelics at night and then wake up at 7 to go to work (or not sleep at all), and did this very often. For like a year my main drug was AMT which is stimulating so it could artificially get me through the day). Then I also quit drugs for 3 years in 2010, well I smoked weed but that's it, no psychedelics or anything else. Since then I've sort of been slowly increasing my rate of usage and recently decided I need to chill back down again. I believe I am a sensible person but I also have an addictive and compulsive personality so I have to keep an eye on myself, and I can get out of hand sometimes even still, though I have made a lot of progress in keeping conscious oversight of myself. In the past I would have kept going until I burnt myself out.
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I can imagine some alternative version of this happening to me, just replace AMT with benzo's (and maybe 3-meo-pcp** in the future). Thank you for sharing. I hope I'll be able to keep myself in check. Do you log your usage?

On DOC I found myself to be mostly clearheaded but also somwhat scatterbrained at times. This is at 5mg. Lower is underwhelming for me sadly. Def. wouldn't eyeball the stuff. Never tried ALD-52 but I am very interested in AL-LAD***.


wayab said:
anyone with experience (or who knows of or has read about someone doing it) in taking DOC I.V. ?
what would be a threshold dose? what would be a maximum safe dose? what is the timeline? anything really that you can share.

i want to do a psychedelic/dissocitive combo soon possibly add some morphine for the comedown idk yet but what i am planing to do is take most of my DOC dose orally with a bit of 3meo-pce orally and prepare a iv shot for after 20-30 mins which will consist of DOC, o-pce and/or 3-meo-pce, and a tiny 25mg dose of deschloroket. my idea for the injection is to shorten the come up of the doc and also from curiosity to see what the rush feels like.
maybe throw in a balloon of nitrous oxide for intensifing the rush idk
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I haven't got knowledge concerning IV'ing anything. But I am interested in your remark that you are curious to what the rush feels like. Do you IV a lot and is it the subtleties in the rush(es) that is (are) of most interest to you?

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*Come to think of it. I'm always telling people that alcohol is a drug. And I bet (and hope) you do too! Especially when a drunk person is berating and vilifying "drug" users. I should stop being a hypocrite and start noting down my intake of alcohol and cannabis related stuff, even if I don't use the former that often and the ltter daily. I hereby am going to make a valiant effort in that regard.

**Which still hasn't arrived even though it supposedly shipped a month ago. Exit-scam it seems. Anyway, I mention 3-meo-pcp because the stuff has been on my mind A LOT since the last time I had it, the 16th of last month.

***I've got a sample coming in. See: **
 
JBrandon :D i lol-ed :D but your right

Rampelflik i definitely enjoy some things and usually the more enjoyable i find the drug the more enjoyable the rush. DOC is one of my favorite if not my favorite psychedelic so i wondered how it felt like. however i do understand that a drug orally active at 1mg can be dangerous to take iv.
 
yepyepwoah said:
25 i isnt orally active though right? Doesnt it have to be taken sublingual?
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Information is pretty conflicting on this. Scientifically, yes. But mine and others' experiences suggest it can be absorbed orally.
 
My first couple trials with DOC were underwhelming at best but after combining with 3meo-pcp it becomes amazing. The 3meo really softens it out. I don't even feel drained afterward. Really good stuff.

I took some last night, about 15mg eyeballed 3meo (moderate tolerance now so it wasn't too dissociating) and 2.5mg DOC before a heavy metal show. It was really intense music but a friendly atmosphere despite that. I just sat back, propped up my feet on another chair, closed my eyes and imagined a great hurricane wreaking havoc around me. Socialising was easy between sets but the music was so heavy that listening and bobbing my head was about all I could handle. I got to test out my new musician's earplugs for the first time and they were great. Overall an amazing night.
 
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Yeah 3-MeO does that with LSD too actually, it absolutely brings out the best in it. Somehow I haven't tried it with DOC, I think maybe in the Spring I'll try that when I can spend all day doing outside adventure stuff. I love DOC on its own but I'm really curious to see how 3-MeO could enhance it.
 
InterestingFACT said:
4.6 milligrams is a very high dose. Not to the point that I recommend avoiding it for safety concerns... But be aware that you'll likely be in for a very physically rough, and certainly a very long, ride.

I personally can't handle the side effects past 3mg,
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I was asked about how much my friend and I took for him to almost die; we both took the same amount - 4.5-6mg each by mistake. I'll tell you I puked within the first twenty mins - my friend held it in and that's when he stared to go blind (looking near me but didn't know where I was). I knew something was wrong when the come up was so quick.
I was in an amazing state , and was the highest I had ever been on D. But the trip revolved around suffering and saving a life. If any of you know the spiritual power of DOC, Then you're aware that I was going through shades I'd never thought I could experience.
I actually felt guilty , because I was feeling so good (even though my friend was dying in front of me), and I knew it was the drug working through me. The walk from the hospital was so beautiful, and at the same time I felt so guilty for feeling so good. We both could have lost our heads, but the DOC helped show a lighter side to the situation (until I got to my friends home, told his parents then went home and Burst into tears (shock)).
But that's DOC for ya. It helped me get through a tough mistake and opened my eyes to how much I was using DOC (I watched the entire 3 seasons of thrones on it, I think the reason I didn't react like my friend did was strictly due to my tolerance).
Let me tell you though, for me 5-6mg was just a more intense rush, and once it settled in it felt the exact same as if I had done 3-3.5. The visuals "shimmered" a tiny more but I found the more I did DOC the less intense visuals got.
Anyone else notice a cross tolerance for LSD and DOC? So far I've found I can't hallucinate nearly as much as I used to.
 
Drew. said:
I was asked about how much my friend and I took for him to almost die; we both took the same amount - 4.5-6mg each by mistake. I'll tell you I puked within the first twenty mins - my friend held it in and that's when he stared to go blind (looking near me but didn't know where I was). I knew something was wrong when the come up was so quick.
I was in an amazing state , and was the highest I had ever been on D. But the trip revolved around suffering and saving a life. If any of you know the spiritual power of DOC, Then you're aware that I was going through shades I'd never thought I could experience.
I actually felt guilty , because I was feeling so good (even though my friend was dying in front of me), and I knew it was the drug working through me. The walk from the hospital was so beautiful, and at the same time I felt so guilty for feeling so good. We both could have lost our heads, but the DOC helped show a lighter side to the situation (until I got to my friends home, told his parents then went home and Burst into tears (shock)).
But that's DOC for ya. It helped me get through a tough mistake and opened my eyes to how much I was using DOC (I watched the entire 3 seasons of thrones on it, I think the reason I didn't react like my friend did was strictly due to my tolerance).
Let me tell you though, for me 5-6mg was just a more intense rush, and once it settled in it felt the exact same as if I had done 3-3.5. The visuals "shimmered" a tiny more but I found the more I did DOC the less intense visuals got.
Anyone else notice a cross tolerance for LSD and DOC? So far I've found I can't hallucinate nearly as much as I used to.
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Wow, I'm glad you and your friend made it through that. But is the therapeutic index of DOC really that small? If that is the case I don't think I will ever try this. Or was there some other drug involved also or something like that? Did the doctors confirm it was a life threatening situation?
 
tokezu said:
Wow, I'm glad you and your friend made it through that. But is the therapeutic index of DOC really that small? If that is the case I don't think I will ever try this. Or was there some other drug involved also or something like that? Did the doctors confirm it was a life threatening situation?
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DOC is a very powerful substance and not to be messed with. Having said that, I've pushed it up to 4.5mg and, although challenging, it did not feel in any way dangerous.
With all these substances, it is vitally important to conduct a test on a small amount to gauge your reaction. I'm not doubting the fact that the person in question had a tough time, but I do doubt that between 4 and 5mg caused hospitalisation on its own. I would definitely check that the substance being used is definitely DOC; personally I'm terrified of unknowingly taking an nBome so a testing kit is essential.
 
I will agree with the above, I've taken it at 4.5mg and it did not feel dangerous at all, though very, very strong.

tokezu said:
Wow, I'm glad you and your friend made it through that. But is the therapeutic index of DOC really that small? If that is the case I don't think I will ever try this. Or was there some other drug involved also or something like that? Did the doctors confirm it was a life threatening situation?
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Drew, you say 4.5-6mg... does that mean you guys eyeballed? Why the huge unknwon range? 4.5 and 6mg of DOC are as different as night as day, I've never gone up to 6mg nor would I. I know that 3 to 4mg is a huge difference in strength.

I know people who have pushed it to the 10mg range, probably with a lot of tolerance though (stupid by the way). I think DOC is pretty safe for most people provided that it is used responsibly (taking any dose of it "by mistake" is definitely not responsible), although I think the chance for an unusual and dangerous reaction is probably greater than with most psychedelics.
 
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