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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

It will be very strong, possibly even to the point where you are overwhelmed with the experience and only able to really sit there and experience it during the peak. Lots of visuals, strong feelings, and about 10 hours in you should start feeling pretty amazing. Also some vasoconstriction if you're prone to it. Make sure you're in a safe place and you have a good long time before you need to do anything.
 
4.6 milligrams is a very high dose. Not to the point that I recommend avoiding it for safety concerns... But be aware that you'll likely be in for a very physically rough, and certainly a very long, ride.

I personally can't handle the side effects past 3mg, or maybe a bit over that. I also find that the side effects tend to correlate with my relative level of physical fitness at the time. Ie. I'm much better off on DOC in the summer when I spend a lot f time outside and physically active, than the rest of the year when the majority of my hours are spent in front of a computer or in a laboratory. Hopefully you're in good cardiovascular shape. If so... I'm sure you'll have a great time. If not, you'll probably still have a good time.

Keep in mind that physical activity makes the come up feel a lot easier, and also does wonders to reduce the discomforting vasoconstriction and muscular tension--the dose might feel sufficiently overwhelming the prospect of moving around and "doing something" might seem daunting during the come up and peak, but if you can build that into your day plan you'll likely be glad you did. (On the other hand, it's incredibly easy to exert yourself far past your normal limits on psychedelics in general and on DOC in particular you'll literally feel like you have superhuman strength and limitless endurance--exertion just feels like nothing at all. Just remember that the same rules apply as for amphetamines: watch that you don't push your heart rate too high, make sure that you're taking care of your physical needs like food and water, and be aware that if you push yourself too hard you'll certainly feel it later.
 
The highest DOC dose I've taken is 3.2mg and while the come up was intense, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I believe that 4.6 will be A LOT stronger but I think I will do it as that is all I have left, even though I love low doses of DOC too. I think DOC is the only psychedelic I like at very low doses, like 0.5mg. I should get some benzos just in case when I do it.

I've heard that high dose DOC visuals are spectacular!
 
Yeah 4.6mg is going to be MUCH stronger than 3.2, several times stronger. My guess is the come-up will be pretty rough and some physical weirdness will persist at least partway through the peak. Alternately, you could try taking 3.2mg and then maybe 2 hours in, take the rest, it will be smoother overall and also a little less strong. But yeah, DOC is spectacular visually when you get far enough into it. It can also be quite spacey and disorienting at higher doses. At lower dosages I feel very focused on DOC, very present, but the first time I took over 4mg, I was basically sitting in a chair, lost in my head, for a good 6-7 hours before it started to settle down at all.
 
Depends on the dose, really. 6-7 hours of psychedelia sounds about right, followed by a 12 hour long comedown or so. Sampled it yesterday at 9am and was still feeling it at 12am
 
There are two phases of the trip for sure, first is really psychedelic and then you're stimulated in a good way for hours. Wouldn't call it a comedown at all, it's great.
 
I have tried DOC safely after the overdose I mentioned.

1.5mg put me in a mild psychedelic headspace, pretty nice.

3mg was full on psychedelic but this one has too much of a stimulant push that I did not like at all.

I'm the type to drop a 10 strip back when I could get acid, you're not gonna get as high as that on DOC without side effects and if you dose too high danger.
 
Tranced said:
How long does it last?

(I know it's a long time)
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A full dose gices a good 8+ hours of psychedelia followed by a psychedelic stimulation phase that lasts another 10+ hours... the whole trip is great, the second phase is my favorite part.
 
xammy said:
There are two phases of the trip for sure, first is really psychedelic and then you're stimulated in a good way for hours. Wouldn't call it a comedown at all, it's great.
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Yeah that's what I meant with the comedown, its definitely a lot less intense for sure during the later phase. Good for talking!
 
Yeah, great for talking or doing art, or dancing, or listening to music, or playing music. Or all of those. :)
 
Xorkoth are you generally relaxed or tense sober?

I'm a type A type dude GO GO GO always trying to get something done so I can be on edge at times. A psychedelic dose (3mg) just didn't do it for me too much tension. 1.5mg was nice, like a psychedelic nootropic or something.

This isn't the one for me, I just find it strange it's well liked based on my subjective experience.
 
I'm pretty relaxed usually, I like to be doing things, but I'm not anxious about it. DOC makes me feel like I need to be doing something during the first stage, especially the come-up... if I am not occupied physically during the come-up, it's really uncomfortable. So I usually take it when I'm going to be hiking all day or something like that. By the time the hike is over, I'm in the second stage and I spend the rest of the day and night socializing, or going to a show or something. It's also a great festival drug. I wouldn't take it (anymore) just sitting around or without something for me to do.
 
Yeah DOC is top notch stuff! Been ages since I've had any but I always remember it very fondly!
 
So, back to me being a volumetric dosing noob.

Say I had 100mg DOC and 100ml 97% Ethanol, could I put say 100mg DOC in 100ml 97% Ethanol and it would dissolve well?

If the answer is yes, then could I put 100mg DOC in 50ml 97% Ethanol? What about 25 ml 97 Ethanol? etc What's the lowest viable amount?
 
Tranced said:
So, back to me being a volumetric dosing noob.

Say I had 100mg DOC and 100ml 97% Ethanol, could I put say 100mg DOC in 100ml 97% Ethanol and it would dissolve well?

If the answer is yes, then could I put 100mg DOC in 50ml 97% Ethanol? What about 25 ml 97 Ethanol? etc What's the lowest viable amount?
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I have dissolved DOC at concentrations of at least 10mg/ml in 80 proof vodka, so the answer is definitely yes. Don't make the solution too concentrated if you don't have a precise way of measuring out the solution, though.
 
I always use that rate 10mg/ml (in water or 99% ethanol) for all compounds and never had any problem dissolving anything. 10 minutes of shacking was the worst it took. With a 1ml seringe you should be alright as long as you don't want to be exact to the 100ug. In my opinion +/- 300ug is the most you might fail, and that sounds alright for DOx.
 
The Hypnotist said:
I always use that rate 10mg/ml (in water or 99% ethanol) for all compounds and never had any problem dissolving anything. 10 minutes of shacking was the worst it took. With a 1ml seringe you should be alright as long as you don't want to be exact to the 100ug. In my opinion +/- 300ug is the most you might fail, and that sounds alright for DOx.
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yeah, as a type 1 diabetic, I just use my 1mL insulin syringes that have 100 subunit markings. But, in my experience a lot of people don't have an easy way to access this kind of equipment and won't spend the necessary effort to do so. So in such a case, I just recommend not concentrating the solution so much because it's really not a big deal to have to drink a few mL of alcohol.
 
IamMe90 said:
yeah, as a type 1 diabetic, I just use my 1mL insulin syringes that have 100 subunit markings. But, in my experience a lot of people don't have an easy way to access this kind of equipment and won't spend the necessary effort to do so. So in such a case, I just recommend not concentrating the solution so much because it's really not a big deal to have to drink a few mL of alcohol.
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Ok, I didn't know it was difficult to get in some places. In my country there is no problem getting those siringes in pharmacies for dirty cheap. Bad looks is the most you get.
It cannot hurt using more liquid of course. I just like to keep my solutions at same rate to minimize mistakes. I do label them as well.
In the safety concerns DOx thread we were just commenting how ethanol is a vasodilator so ya probably cannot hurt drink a bit of it with Dox. Might be even good.
 
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