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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 2)

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I feel obligated to let you all know how fucking awful DOC can get. As someone who LOVES stimulants and has taken 200+mg of vyvanse in one mouthful I can say that tripping on DOC is the most sped up I have ever been. Way, WAY too speedy imo. The body load is unlike anything I've ever experienced, moving around on this shit is almost impossible not to mention excessive sweating and jaw clenching. My friends and i all did it on empty stomachs which probably made this much worse but still. Don't think that just because you love DOB that doc will also be fun. And we only did ~3mg each...this is honestly the worst drug i've ever taken and i strongly suggest that if you do it you keep your dose below that. 1.5mg is a mellow, enjoyable trip. I can't even imagine more than 3 honestly.
 
^That doesn't sound like DOC. Are you sure that the compound you took was absolutely definitely DOC, and not DOB or DOI? 3mg would be an intense dose of DOB/DOI, and those two compounds are known for having a body load. DOC on the other hand is normally found to be quite easy on the body. Even relaxing sometimes, and downright pleasurable and plush.
 
5-Meo-WTF said:
I feel obligated to let you all know how fucking awful DOC can get. As someone who LOVES stimulants and has taken 200+mg of vyvanse in one mouthful I can say that tripping on DOC is the most sped up I have ever been. Way, WAY too speedy imo. The body load is unlike anything I've ever experienced, moving around on this shit is almost impossible not to mention excessive sweating and jaw clenching. My friends and i all did it on empty stomachs which probably made this much worse but still. Don't think that just because you love DOB that doc will also be fun. And we only did ~3mg each...this is honestly the worst drug i've ever taken and i strongly suggest that if you do it you keep your dose below that. 1.5mg is a mellow, enjoyable trip. I can't even imagine more than 3 honestly.
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Who the fuck loves DOB and hates DOC? For that matter who the hell loves DOB period?

Haha weird...
 
5-Meo-WTF said:
As someone who LOVES stimulants and has taken 200+mg of vyvanse in one mouthful I can say that tripping on DOC is the most sped up I have ever been. Way, WAY too speedy imo.

this is honestly the worst drug i've ever taken
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That's some BS

I hate vyvanse, every time I've had it my hands have gone numb and I've gotten really dirty feeling stimulation. It also tends to keep me up all night in a cold sweat.

DOC on the other hand felt like a nootropic psychedelic orgasm that kept me up all night too but at least I was having amazing deep thoughts the entire time and I wasn't covering my bed in sweat. Relaxing empathogenic stimulation made me feel really great that whole day pretty much.

however, I did combine it with a bit of choline.
 
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Everyone reacts differently, man. I don't doubt the veracity of his experience but I can say that it isn't that common of a reaction.
 
Cleaned this up a little.

Please no condescending users for not dosing as high as you do, that does not make you "strong" and them "weak" in any way. It may be that they have a lower tolerance to the substance to you, or that they simply prefer it at this dose range. Everyone is different. If you think a certain dose range is more rewarding, then feel free to say so, calling people weak and insulting them for not going up to that dose range is not going to encourage them to try it, and as this is a harm reduction community, we don't allow those sorts of insults to fly by.

Also, if someone's making such posts and insults, please don't result to insulting them back, but rather report the posts so one of the moderation team can deal with it.

....And now lets resume things as normal.

To someone who has yet to try any of the DOx series but has experience with some of the 2C-x series, namely 2C-B, 2C-E, 2C-P - what similarities and differences would you find between DOC and the 2C-x class in general? Does it have a similar feel in the body/mind, e.g. a more stimulating body feel and a clear sometimes analytical head high? Or is it altogether different in this sense?
 
Jesusgreen said:
To someone who has yet to try any of the DOx series but has experience with some of the 2C-x series, namely 2C-B, 2C-E, 2C-P - what similarities and differences would you find between DOC and the 2C-x class in general? Does it have a similar feel in the body/mind, e.g. a more stimulating body feel and a clear sometimes analytical head high? Or is it altogether different in this sense?
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It's different to the 2C headspace, although it definitely has those phen characteristics. But it's a whole experience of its own. If you can think how LSD is different to 2Cs, then there is a similar "level" of difference, as oppose to, say, salvia and 2Cs (note: I'm not saying DOC is like LSD, I am trying to remark on the magnitude of difference between them, which is a pretty subjective thing and not at all measurable. But it is the closest way of describing it I can).

I am familiar with 2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-E, 2C-P, and 2C-T-2. If you are familiar with any of these then you will feel at home with DOC, but it is not like any of them. I find it brighter, less inclination towards dark corners, more social, more blissful, more analytical. It can howver be profound and transcendent, so this lightness doesn't necesasarily translate as shallow or less depth. On the contrary, I find it to be a fully-fledged psychedelic, but in such a wonderful, delicious way.

Colours are brighter on DOC, for me at least. The colour scheme is different - with more yellows and purples, rather than straight up neon greens and reds. The visuals are sharper and more detailed than 2Cs, which tend to be slightly fuzzier or smudgier. The CEVs are extremely detailed and fast moving fractals, sometimes with full colour scenes which are completely engrossing.

The body high is also quite different from the 2Cs. On 2Cs I feel energy currents in my body, and I can often see them radiating in to the aether around me. On DOC, it is like my cells are being massaged into sexual ecstasy, as if I'm being caressed by the luminous vagina of some erotic angel.

The mind is sharp and on the ball. On 2Cs I can sometimes get quite dreamy and lost in wacky thoughts. On DOC I feel very lucid in comparison. There have definitely been times where I have drifted in to deep trance states, and they are golden moments, but it is different from the quasi-manic rabbit holes that 2Cs can lead you in to.
 
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Nice comparison, thanks. That's more or less what I was hoping to hear. I've had great experiences with the 2C-x class but I think I'd like my next few phenethylamines to be something a little more different. The NBOMe series (C, D, I, unsure about others), DOC and 2C-B-FLY all look intriguing to me.

You mention that you don't feel those energy currents through your body - do you feel that DOC is less physically stimulating than the 2C-x class then? Or more? A good example comparison would be for me I found 2C-E to have a strong physical stimulation and a light mental stimulation, whereas the tryptamine aMT was the opposite, only light physical stimulation but a lot of mental stimulation.

Also for me, with the 2C-x's I tried, they each fit a profile:
2C-B - Go out, dance, enjoy music with friends, great for a club or concert
2C-E - Full on trip with lots of creative insights etc but still very grounded, more like something for a psytrance festival
2C-P - Now this is where the trip became more a deep spiritual experience, the sort of thing I think I'd prefer to take out in the forest next time with some close friends or completely alone with nature.

Does DOC fall anywhere into that spectrum - from lighthearted fun, to a more traditional trip, to somewhere inbetween? Or is its role something different entirely for you? :)

Thanks!
 
Survived Abortion said:
It can be profound and transcendent, so this lightness doesn't necesasarily translate as shallow or less depth. On the contrary, I find it to be a fully-fledged psychedelic, but in such a wonderful, delicious way.

The CEVs are extremely detailed and fast moving fractals, sometimes with full colour scenes which are completely engrossing.

The body high is also quite different from the 2Cs. On 2Cs I feel energy currents in my body, and I can often see them radiating in to the aether around me. On DOC, it is like my cells are being massaged into sexual ecstasy, as if I'm being caressed by the luminous vagina of some erotic angel.
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^couldn't have put it better myself

The closed eye visuals are quite spectacular IMO

I've only done 2cb and 2ce, I would compare it more to 2cb because its quite social, but it is a very deep emotional and analytical experience too loaded with empathy and enhanced music appreciation.
 
I found 2C-E to be much colder and analytical than DOC. And completely different visuals, imo.
 
I actually found DOC's visuals to be quite similar to 2c-e's, but more fractals and "dimensional," whereas 2c-e's were grander in an abstract, artistic way. As for the headspace, I agree.
 
wow i sampled about 1mg of this as a test run about 5hours ago.Im having a very nice body buzz going on so far but not much visuals.


propably gonna try about 3mg next time to really get this going :)
 
thevines2 said:
really depends on the Lsd honestly different crystals have way different effects as far as body high/mental/visual
ive found doc to be way more visually astounding than lsd with a euphoria and mood similar to mdma with longer duration and onset

it reminds me of a really well rounded 2c thats more potent



honestly most ppl between 17-25 that are not experienced users cant tell the difference sadly
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What are the CEV's like with music?

How long is the period where CEV's are brilliant?

Sounds like you really like DOC %)
 
plusfourpirate said:
hey guys- ive got a quick question that hopefully some of you will have an answer to...

been doing research w doc for close to a decade now; one of my favorite chems by far. i keep a regular stash on hand, esp for camping trips, festivals, any excursion that i may stay up for a couple days. long story short, im usually the one who procures it for our group, but a friend of mine said he ran across someone who had a half G of the purple tinted stuff left on stash, which i heard good thins about n had been wanting to try. he had never converted it into liquid before for convinient dosing, made a stupid mistake w his math and made this stuff waaay too diluted. ugh.

so i know the obvious and simple answer to this problem would simply be to eat more,lol, but i am going on a huge excursion w 20-30 friends for a week which requires me taking a plane, etc... and id like to concentrate the solutuion so i can bring it w me if possible..right now its just waaay too much liquid.

is there i way i can evaporate the alcohol used to dilute the solution, then take the crystals, and make a more concentrate solution? or would i risk damaging it thus ruining it all? thanks in advance for any help! <3
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How would you compare it to others that you really like (which are?) wrt visuals and headspace with music?
What is your dosage range?
 
I had about 1mg yesterday, how would 2-3mg work out today? i stil feel a slight buzzz but nothing that couldnt be placebo.''

also i had a bunch of etizolam yesterday to sleep, i have more but need to go get it in the woods, would it work to sleep about 8-10hours after dosing without benzos? if i smoke alot of indica maybe?
 
Jakeperson said:
Lol, no. I find it difficult to sleep within 48 hours of dosing DOC.

I think most people can sleep around the 25hr mark though.
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i slept well about 12 hours after my 1mg intake, although the etiz prob helped with that.

I guess i will save the doc for next weekend instead then, prop gonna eat a few hits of lucy tonight instead :)
 
Let us know how it goes, I am interested to see how the cross tolerance is. I know that with dosing DOC, I need about 2 weeks for my tolerance to return back to normal.

Is it just me or are the doses on Erowid smaller than they should be? Mine would be more like

Light: 2mg-3mg
Medium: 3mg-5mg
Strong: 5mg-7mg
Heavy (Also known as "You take too many drugs"): 7mg +
 
No, the Erowid dosages are about right I reckon. They fit with my experiences, and judging by what others report it is pretty much the norm. But I am aware that there are a few among us who like their DOC doses much higher. I think that's just an anomaly of personal sensitivity.
 
Jesusgreen said:
Nice comparison, thanks. That's more or less what I was hoping to hear. I've had great experiences with the 2C-x class but I think I'd like my next few phenethylamines to be something a little more different. The NBOMe series (C, D, I, unsure about others), DOC and 2C-B-FLY all look intriguing to me.

You mention that you don't feel those energy currents through your body - do you feel that DOC is less physically stimulating than the 2C-x class then? Or more? A good example comparison would be for me I found 2C-E to have a strong physical stimulation and a light mental stimulation, whereas the tryptamine aMT was the opposite, only light physical stimulation but a lot of mental stimulation.

Also for me, with the 2C-x's I tried, they each fit a profile:
2C-B - Go out, dance, enjoy music with friends, great for a club or concert
2C-E - Full on trip with lots of creative insights etc but still very grounded, more like something for a psytrance festival
2C-P - Now this is where the trip became more a deep spiritual experience, the sort of thing I think I'd prefer to take out in the forest next time with some close friends or completely alone with nature.

Does DOC fall anywhere into that spectrum - from lighthearted fun, to a more traditional trip, to somewhere inbetween? Or is its role something different entirely for you? :)

Thanks!
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DOC will have you feeling stimulated. But not to the extent that you took some amphetamine. Closer to the feeling of LSD stimulation, but possibly a bit more pushy. Compared to 2C-I, I find DOC much more comfortable and also much more psychedelic. Compared to to 2C-D they are somewhat similar on the body but DOC blows it away as a trip. 2C-C can even feel like DOC if you don't go overboard on the dose, but 2C-C will never take you as far as DOC will. Between 2C-E and DOC I find few similarities. It feels like energy running through you, not like extra energy that you have to burn off. A few people can find this overwhelming, but most find it pleasureable.

The trip itself ranges from light-hearted fun to something that will give high doses of LSD or DOM a run for their money, depending on the dose. But you can acheive a very high state of psycedelia in relative comfort with DOC that you'd be having a white-knuckle ride on with DOM. And DOC will show you different things than LSD will show you. Not nescessarily better or more beautiful things, but for any serious psychonaut, I'd consider it well worth exploring. Give 3mg or 4mg a try. That seems to be the sweet spot for a full-on trip for most people without going too overboard. Lower doses tend to be not much more than recreational. And the side effects don't increase very much as you increase the dose.
 
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