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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

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CJ96 said:
Anyone experience vasoconstriction on low doses of DOC? I've had one, low dose (I'm generally hard headed with all TIHKALS AND PIHKALS) of 2mg., experience with DOC as a taste test to gauge my appropriate dose and interest in the compound. At 2 mg. I only obtained some vague threshold sense of activity, but ended up having very cold hands and feet, as well as a general chill through much of the day. Granted, it was subfreezing outside and no more than 60-62 f. indoors, but that's normal for me and I don't tend to get that way. This has left me somewhat concerned about how I would be effected by a likely effective dose of 3-6 mg.
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I believe Xorkoth has successfully dealt with this issue by coadministering l-arginine. It is a vaso-dilator and is very benign otherwise (its an amino acid).
 
Xorkoth said:
It took a while for my body to really "accept" DOC fully. I always loved it, obviously, except the first time I took it at 2.25mg... it felt all strange and alien. Then I took it at 3.2mg and loved it. Back then it gave me a massively powerful trip, with overwhelming visuals and a peri9od of feeling a bit too intense (but in that psychedelic sort of way that I can find enjoyment in). After the first trip, it always provided this state that I mentioned, although not as profoundly, but not until like hour 8 to 10, after the main trip.

As time went on and I continued to use it more, I stopped tripping so hard on it. I started to more reliably get this "state of grace". I started using a lot of psychedelics, so I got in the habit of taking a low dose the day after a full dose (1-1.5mg for me then - a low dose probably would have been .5-.75mg when I started), to conitnue this day-after state longer. Then I took a long break from psychedelics and when I started using them again, I decided to try a 1.5mg dose instead of a full one, and it was great. So that's how I came to find it.

I should also mention that I often like to combine it with phenibut... it adds an edge to the euphoria that I really love, and it makes you much less likely to have to endure a period of initial anxiety for 2 or 3 hours (which sometimes happens even with low doses without it).
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It usually does take a while for peoples bodies to get used to anal sodomy. I hate to say it, however after extensive experience with a large array of psychedelics, DOC is an ineffective psychedelic, anti-depressant or stimulant.

I'm not denying various anecdotal experiences, I am saying relatively speaking from comparison with other various compounds.

L
 
DOB said:
Why every fake acid that last too long must be dob? Why not doc,dom,doi or some other dox?
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Haha man you are the spokesperson of DOB. Seriously lol.

Don't let anyone talk trash about DOB! = )

DOB is like the perfect psychedelic to take if you want to whoop someone's ass while actually on a psychedelic, I always feel like 10x stronger and like a jacked up barbarian.
 
Leprechaun said:
It usually does take a while for peoples bodies to get used to anal sodomy. I hate to say it, however after extensive experience with a large array of psychedelics, DOC is an ineffective psychedelic, anti-depressant or stimulant.

I'm not denying various anecdotal experiences, I am saying relatively speaking from comparison with other various compounds.

L
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Well just because it's ineffective for you doesn't mean it's ineffective for everyone. I've tried just about everything there is to try and it remains one of the most effective substances I've used. Clearly, though, for you it is not.
 
note about l-arginine - I had awful DOC vasoconstriction, and I think l-arginine took the edge off but it also made me pee worryingly often (I also took it when sober sometimes). evne when there was no more urine, it still felt like I needed to urinate... scary.

because of that I usually only take a half tab of l-arginine.
 
killo said:
Haha man you are the spokesperson of DOB. Seriously lol.

Don't let anyone talk trash about DOB! = )

DOB is like the perfect psychedelic to take if you want to whoop someone's ass while actually on a psychedelic, I always feel like 10x stronger and like a jacked up barbarian.
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me to! :X =D

I can walk 40 miles without being tired on dob.
 
Gaian Planes said:
asking again...
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I notice a DRASTIC difference in the come-up time myself, normally within 5 mins I am already feeling significant effects (However, the only times I have plugged DOC have been 4 and 6.5mg doses). I haven't logged a trip in detail, but the peak also hits much more quickly. Normally I am still slightly tripping at about +10-12 hrs.

In regards to potency, I find plugging to be much more intense than equal amounts orally. However, this may be caused by the much quicker onset and peak.
 
^ thanks for the info

feelgoodhit said:
note about l-arginine - I had awful DOC vasoconstriction, and I think l-arginine took the edge off but it also made me pee worryingly often (I also took it when sober sometimes). evne when there was no more urine, it still felt like I needed to urinate... scary.

because of that I usually only take a half tab of l-arginine.
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dude l-arginine is really well tolerated in people...I'm pretty sure it wasn't from the arginine...

have you tried arginine on its own before and did it produce this effect for you? It usually causes my dick to get a little larger when flacid...maybe it was just that triggering your 'pee instinct' (lol :D)
 
If I were to try DOC for the first time at a festival (first DOx) Would I be able to do other drugs on it?

I was thinking of dosing 1mg in the morning,

during the day I would have access to mephedrone, ketamine, hashish,mdma,cocaine, 2C-B/E and booze. I would probably want to do some of these drugs (deff the ket ,hash, meph and booze).

Bad idea or not?
 
I liked DOC id like to get some more. My last experiance with it, I ate two tabs of some good lsd and then 3 hours into the lsd i ate 6mg of DOC. One hell of a ride let me tell you, but DOC was very easy on my body even at 6mg, and i was kind of out of it the next day but i had taken a decent ammount of xanax to fall asleep like 12 hours after taking the DOC...It was crazy intense, but definately something i would like to try again. I cant wait to get my hands on some more. and whats so nice is 100mg - 200mg will last me a long stinking time. :D
 
l-arginine - what dose at what body weight has been effective for counteracting the vasoconstriction from DOC. If someone experienced this with DOC, would it be safe to assume they'd have a similar side effect from DOM?
 
Not necessarily - the DOXs have different levels of vasoconstriction. DOB has it the most, followed by DOC. DOI doesn't give it to me as badly as DOC. I don't remember getting any from DOM but I'm sure it has some vasoconstrictive properties.

L-arginine - I usually take 1-2 grams of it. I would think 2 grams would be enough for anyone but I could be wrong. I weigh 150.
 
I can't take DOC anymore because it gives me extreme vasocconstriction and then I feel all tingly(like my foots asleep but it's my whole body) days later. Never had a problem with DOB though.
 
It's alright. The DOC overpowers the 2C-Xs though.

I finally ran out of DOC. 500mg lasted me over 3 years though. I'm sad! I may have to sagve up and get more... it's my favorite tool and recreational substance.

DOC gives me vasoconstriction and used to give me too much... the key is to moderate your usage to not too often, keep your doses down, and take some L-arginine to dilate your blood vessels. Also being warm during the trip helps with that.
 
did you find doing yoga or some type of calisthenics help? This probably is much safer to do BEFORE you get the constriction. I'll never get the image out of my mind (shudder) of you talking about fearing to stretch out all the way because some veins might snap.

Even now....jesus...

*shudder*

thats a wicked image man :D
 
Yeah =D It was crazy. It never happens anywhere near that bad anymore, fortunately. That was when I was doing it a lot more often.
 
Oh that certainly could explain some of the side effects I get from DOC, always reminded me of LSA in that aspect. And you say L-Arginine helps, Xorkoth?
That now makes sharing of the magic more troublesome as I do not want anyone to suffer health-wise while on a psychedelic.
That is actually a shattering sad news for me, as I thought I finally found my lucy surrogate, because of all the rc's I have tried it feels the closest to L.
 
Hello friends. Thanks to *a passing pixie*, I have what I'm told is about 17mg of DOC and tomorrow night is going to be the last time I get to try it for about 6 months. I'm already too curious and 6 months just sounds way too long to withhold from an initial trial. To be fair, I have already tested somewhere around .1mg to look for any weird reactions. Nothing happened and no reason to fear raising the dose.
So my plan. Friday night, I'm going to see a show followed by a late night show and DOC just seems like the right kinda substance to keep me going strong. I have plenty of experience with psychs in public and really, the people I'll be around are gonna be just as batshit as myself. The question is really dosage and timing. The show starts at 9:00 Friday night. Judging from the length of come-up which doesn seem to be very long, and this readily apparent 4 hour mood shift, I'm thinking the dose should be ingested no later than 5:00 in the afternoon. Does that sound reasonable?
Dosage. I've just got over a two week tryptamine crush and so my tolerance may be somewhat elevated. I'm not sure how DOC crosses with something like 4-Aco-DMT though. I'm thinking 3-3.5mg. As I said, I'm pretty experienced with all levels of experience. The thing I'm most worried about is getting freaked out by the vasoconstriction as I'm quite the hypochondriac. I've invested in L-arginine for daily use and started a few days ago and will continue on past this experience. Please advise. Thank you.
 
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