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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

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I have a question. I have done mushrooms a bunch of times, and acid 5 times. Of the 5 times I've done acid, only 2 of those experiences were full-out +++. I am wondering how the experience of DOC differs from the experience of LSD, and is there anything I should do differently in preparation for a DOC trip vs an LSD trip? Especially when it comes to tripping on DOC with maybe 8-10 people.
 
While I find LSD at party to be great and a lot of fun, I'd not say the same for DOC. I find DOC less social and less rewarding in low dose than LSD. You should take in consideration that DOC take ~2h30 to fully come up while LSD take 30'-60'.

I find that the best way to take DOC is in small social setting with 2-3 friends in a beautiful place, dosing pretty high.
 
DOC is actually allows me to be more social and coherent than LSD. Once the peak ends and the long wind-down / afterglow phase begins its pretty much party time.

Of course this depends on the dose, how you react, and other factors.

Epsilon, to prepare for DOC I'd prepare almost the same as with LSD. Except give yourself an extra 12 hours before needing to sleep, or have some benzos handy. Personally I can sleep 10-12 hours into DOC and then wake up still tripping lightly, but some people remain wired for as much as 30+ hours after dosing.

Drink water lightly but frequently throughout the trip, avoid caffeine and eat healthy before the trip. You may be like me and find DOC to be one of the smoothest feeling psychedelics.
 
I dug it...

7 mgs up the nose...yeah it burned...i dug the visuals...the body high wasn't anything amazing. Lasted for literally 15 hrs peak mode...id prolly do it again
 
Awesome, thanks!

I do not have access to benzos, or any real prescription sleep aid at this time. I have tried to abort a 6g mushroom trip with 50mg of diphenhydramine, and that was probably about the worst idea ever. I am wondering if anyone has any experience in using doxylamine succinate to go to sleep while tripping. Is this strong enough to actually put you out from the amphetamine stimulation of the DOC, or is it just generally a bad idea to mix a deleriant and a psychedelic under any circumstances? I have never taken doxylamine succinate, but I have taken a lot of benadryl, and I understand doxylamine is supposed to be stronger.
 
bluedolphin said:
DOC is actually allows me to be more social and coherent than LSD. Once the peak ends and the long wind-down / afterglow phase begins its pretty much party time.

Of course this depends on the dose, how you react, and other factors.

Epsilon, to prepare for DOC I'd prepare almost the same as with LSD. Except give yourself an extra 12 hours before needing to sleep, or have some benzos handy. Personally I can sleep 10-12 hours into DOC and then wake up still tripping lightly, but some people remain wired for as much as 30+ hours after dosing.

Drink water lightly but frequently throughout the trip, avoid caffeine and eat healthy before the trip. You may be like me and find DOC to be one of the smoothest feeling psychedelics.
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You seem to react to DOC in exactly the same way as me, BD, down to being able to sleep lightly about 10-12 hours in and wake up in the afterglow/plateau. Party time certainly describes the second stage of DOC. :)

I wouldn't count on it though. I've done DOC a lot and at first I certainly could not sleep for well over 24 hours. But the second half of the trip has always been fantastic... it turns me into a euphoric social animal.
 
epsilon6 said:
Awesome, thanks!

I do not have access to benzos, or any real prescription sleep aid at this time. I have tried to abort a 6g mushroom trip with 50mg of diphenhydramine, and that was probably about the worst idea ever. I am wondering if anyone has any experience in using doxylamine succinate to go to sleep while tripping. Is this strong enough to actually put you out from the amphetamine stimulation of the DOC, or is it just generally a bad idea to mix a deleriant and a psychedelic under any circumstances? I have never taken doxylamine succinate, but I have taken a lot of benadryl, and I understand doxylamine is supposed to be stronger.
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Hmm, I can't say for DOC, but for 2C-E and dexamphetamine, doxlamine presented no problems. Only have about 10-20mgs though...
 
I am wondering if on DOC you get this phenethylamine solar plexus warm head buzz? Do you know what I mean? I think for me at least its where the majority of the euphoria comes from when using phens...it feels so good (I get this on t7, 2CE, 2CD, 2CB).

Does it happen with DOC? Its the main reason I want to combine it with LSD.
 
solar plexus head buzz?
can u elaborate.
im not sure that makes any sense.

on LSD i do get this buzzing energy in my solar plexus.
seems to happen with most psychs for me.
i think its anxiety, but the good kind, like when you're excited for something.
 
yes i think close to that (good stimulation/anxiety). i think its something like your whole body begins to feel like its covered in warm tingly fur? do you know what I mean? it begins with your body/lower torso and ascends into head (eventually causing pin prickling on scalp).
 
Gaian Planes... DOC doesn't feel like any 2C-x or much like mescaline either. I find it far more transparent. The feeling for me is of a calm and focused energy flowing throughout me. I actually find it more comfortable than most LSD trips.

A "smooth dose" for me is any dose I've tried, between 0.2mg and 6mg. I find about 3-4mg to be ideal.
 
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Has anyone tried using DOC for non-psychedelic purposes, i.e. as a nootropic/stimulant/etc.?
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I remember someone saying they took DOC for a long time as a study aid/stimulant. I think they took lower doses, 1mg and below. It was here that I read this. If you search around you might be able to find it. They said it was pretty effective.

DOC is one of my favorites. I can only describe the head feeling as mental candy. I can almost taste it inside my brain, and it is a similar taste to lsd. I don't know if that makes much sense, but that's the only way I can describe it. I love the feeling it gives my body. It is extremely euphoric. The only downside is that it makes me puke nearly every time, but I prefer to take 6mg or more. Then again, I always take it in a liquid solution, and liquid solutions tend to make me puke for some reason.

I would like to try and plug some, or maybe snort it. Hell, I have even heard of people smoking it. If that was proven to be safe, I might consider trying it, but I have heard some of the 2c-x compounds can change into carcinogens when you smoke them so I wouldn't want to risk it.

All this talk about DOC makes me want to test it again. It has been a while, and it is great stuff. Very similar to LSD IMO, but with more of a body buzz. Very pleasant though. It kicks in fast for me. I feel it within t + 15 minutes, and I am puking by t +30 minutes, 45 minutes top. It only takes a little while longer to manifest itself than lsd does. I would like to take some at an event, but the puking has turned me away from that. I would need to be near a trashcan for the come up. Maybe plugging would eliminate the purge......dunno. Only further experimentation will determine the truth.
 
iv had great fun puking on DOC at festivals. ;)

i tend to also puke with DOC, which is one of the reasons i dont enjoy it.
It's shame, since i heard so many great things about it.
Iv tried it at doses from 3-6mg, and never found anything special about it.

I have the same opinion of DOI.

perhaps DOM will be different for me.
 
2c-bmine said:
7 mgs up the nose...yeah it burned...i dug the visuals...the body high wasn't anything amazing. Lasted for literally 15 hrs peak mode...id prolly do it again
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I have to say that 7mg of DOC nasally sounds like an irresponsible act - not only will the peak from 7mg be extremely intense (phenethylamines don't seem to follow a linear dose-effect relationship, 2C-E being one of the more noticable compounds exhibiting this * ), but the come up would be far faster and likely to really unsettle most users. Anybody with no/limited experience with DOC should not exceed 2mg and stick to oral ingestion or there's a more than significant risk of becoming one of Erowid's train wreck trips (remember if it goes bad, you're locked into it for a good 10 hours minimum, longer than just about any other commonly available psychedelic)


* - going from 15mg to 20mg with 2C-E is a world of difference, so when you consider that a fully active dose of DOC is 1-1.5mg, taking 7mg is just asking for trouble in the unfamiliar user (5x the fully active dose of 2C-E ie around the 75mg mark is a nightmare waiting to happen)
 
whoa yeah I didnt see that one slip in there! thats a HUGE dose, most people with regular tolerance would be in way over their heads I think. Be careful with that.
 
DOC tabs are doing the rounds in Australia, I was lucky enough to drop two last Sunday night.

Come-up took at least two hours and then I plataeud for around 7 hours at least, got some sleep, woke up feeling fantastic and buzzed which lasted for a few more hours. The longevity was something I really liked, so hopefully sometime in the future DOM will come around; the longer the better!
 
i've had doc a few times now, and while i've enjoyed it each time i still find it a bit too heavy mentally than the 2C's and makes me a bit too restless and fidgety. It normally only lasts about 8-10 hours for me, but i find myself slightly bored when beginning to come down. Its fun stuff, but I prefer 2cc so i can redose through the night. and i prefer 2ce if i'm just having one dose of something, thats entertaining enough for me and i love the time-fuck things it does to me(had some crazy deja-vu experiences when on 2ce!)
 
I took ~2mg in a 2mg/ml solution yesterday and had an absolute blast. Very visual, very very sedating and relaxed. I would say the sedation and slight nystagmus are the only two big differences that distinguish this compound from LSD in effects.

I am excited to try 3mg!
 
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