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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

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Xorkoth said:
.5 to 2mg. Given that I am not as sensitive to psychedelics as I once was. I may have found it a bit more distracting two years ago, as I used to get more side effects from things. I would recommend others to try it at .25 to .5mg to start... try to get to a level in which you are only subtly altered, not outright under the effects of the drug. At the level I am talking about there are no visuals

Also, I should mention I have been well able to sleep each night by midnight, although I also think I could have stayed up all night had I wanted to.
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Is there any pupil dilation at this dosage ?
 
^^ A little bit. I'm afraid you'd just have to try it out in a safe environment and determine what dosage would work for you, because DOC can vary in dose and effect between people.
 
kiken11 said:
I dilluted some DOC in denatured pharmacy alcohol that contained a 0,2% of Diethyl Phthalate. I'm afraid this stuff
might eat the DOC in some way or the other (apparently it can eat
plastic and is cancerigenous. What should I do? Did I fuck up? If
not, could I let this solution evaporate and re-mix with distilled
H2O (this would also get rid of the DP), or this prolonged exposure
of the DOC to the air would keep on degrading it? Or just leave it
the fuck alone and stop asking for problems... I have stored MDMA
in another brand of denatured pharmacy alcohol and it didn't go
bad, even though it wasn't even stored away from light and heat,
but maybe it had another additive.
Thanks!
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Question: why did you dissolve any chemicals in denatured alcohol rather than alcohol that you knew was safe? I would recommend ethyl alcohol, even dissolving it in vodka or something if everclear (nearly pure alcohol) is not available where you are. I'd use isopropyl alcohol next, as it will evaporate totally and shouldn't contain other things. Isopropyl alcohol is dirt cheap as well.

Unfortunately I don't know how to answer your question though. If everything in this alcohol blend evaporates completely, you should be able to evaporate and scrape up the crystals. If not, you'll have to find some way to remove the poisonous stuff, and be damn sure you got it all.

Finally, regarding DOC's stability... it is a very stable molecule, as amphetamines tend to be. It could be exposed to air for a long time and be fine. Stored as crystals or in liquid in a cold, dark place, it would last for years... possibly much longer.
 
I was used to dissolve my chemicals in pharmacy alcohol, and I didn't take they would change the composition between brands, pharmacy alcohol is usually what you would call Isopropyl alcohol. Have done this before with a variety of other chems with no ill effects, I guess I should have been a better observer at the moment.

I have read that Diethyl Phtalate doesn't dissolve in water. So, I would just evaporate the alcohol in a surface and rre-mix the crystal DOC with distilled water. Only one person has complained about the alcohol and got GI disturbances, but he drank the mixture while the alcohol was still evaporating. How much would I lose this way anyway, by evaporating? I guess not so much but something has to be lost. Thanks for answering so completely, bye.
 
What's up with this stuff, recently aquired some from a reliable source. Took 2mg then 1mg 2 hours later and barely felt anything. How much is a good dose, usually 15mg to 25mg is good for 4-aco-dmt. I thought this stuff was supposed to be very active above 2mg. How much should I take?
 
Maybe your source isn't so reliable?

Also, how often do you trip? have you tripped recently? Have you used any other DOXs or AMT recently? Tolerance may be an issue if so.
 
The first time I tried DOC was at 2mg and I wasnt impressed. The next trial at 3mg was much more what i was expecting. Dont write it off just yet
 
I hadn't tripped in a couple weeks and it was with tryptamines such as 4-ho-mipt, amt, 4-ho-dmt, 4-aco-dmt, and amt when I had tripped. [Source discussion removed] Thanks

[Hey, no mentioning a source's name, even if most people would not know about it]
 
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I found 2.5mg to be within the range of a full experience. See my trip report on Erowid's DOC vault for more info.

Of note is that the compound was bought from a vendor with a very good reputation that provided GS/MS with all batches of materials. 2 years later and the stuff is still brilliant white, diamond-like crystals, not powder.
 
Mine is a very fine white powder, is this normal? My source claims it is a minimum of 98% What is the dosage for insufflation, is it different from oral, what about come up time?
 
^^ I have seen it where it was made into a powder... it may be difficult to tell, but is it a dull white powder (like powdered 2C-Xs for example) or is the powder shiny to some extent? Powdered DOC forms a dense, shiny powdeer because the crystals are brilliant white, shiny crystalline structures. In contrast, crystals of the 2C-X class that I've seen are almost like flakes... their appearance is totally different, not at all like shiny, needle-like crystals.

And yeah... don't snort it. Oral works very well and is a lot less potentially dangerous.
 
Then perhaps it's fully powdered. I have seen some that is nearly powder but with tiny crystals left. My guess is that it is DOC, but why don't you take ~1mg and find out. If it has an effect, it's probably DOC (or some DOX at least).
 
Took 2.5 - 3mg at 10:30 and 1mg at midnight. Only notice slight body buzz and no visual changes, how much longer should I wait before I take more? How long does this take to peak from the time of ingestion??? Thanks....
 
Question: how much do you trip on other things? How much psychedelic tolerance do you have in general? I ask because whenever I have a large psychedelic tolerance from tripping too often, DOC can require a higher dose and doesn't really give any visual changes at even large (but reasonable) doses. It becomes more of a mood and thought stimulator.
 
O.k. here's an update from last night. @ 2:30 am took 3mg. By 4:30 still no visual changes. Fell a sleep at 4:30 am, woke up at 6am to pee and still no visuals. I can handle very large amounts of entheogens, but at the same time I have tripped so much that I am very sensitive and usually notice visual changes even in thresh hold doses. I am able to get visuals from 10mg 4-aco-dmt, the last time I tripped was 2 weeks ago and it was 12-14mg 4-ho-mipt and I had nice, but not overwhelming visuals. Prior to that I hadn't tripped in over a month or two. And thats was mostly 4-ho-dmt and AMT, but not more that twice a week. Even when I would trip more than once a week I noticed stronger visuals than I got from 6-7mg doc last night.

Thanks...
 
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