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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Bromo-Dragonfly/DOB-Dragonfly Thread

'Homemade' can refer to a chemical that was synthesized illicitly in a lab somewhere, not necessarily homemade by the person in possession/ingesting the chemical.

Very sad story. I am scared of these very potent psychedelic amphetamines coming onto the market. I hope this is NOT an overdose on br-dfly and the story is just inaccurate. I do hope it is not a premonition of whats to come.
 
if someone cannot figure out how to lay blotter then it is Gods way of telling them that they shouldn't be laying blotter. it is not rocket science.
 
I've always interpreted homemade as having a small scale set up that can be operated in a residential premesis unlike say the bif amphetamine labs in europe that operated like proper labs (well in the context of equipment etc - far from proper labs in terms of safety at work, COSHH regs etc)
 
co.1nspire said:
Damn Norwegians and there lacking of evidence to draw useful conclusions.

What kind of instsitution was he attending?
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Juvenile care/institution where he was living.
 
Police never claimed he died from GHB. They thought so for a while until they found out. The article has link to the older one, and in the original article it says he died from an unknown substance.
 
Well anyone could figure laying blotter out, it would just be REALLY easy to fuck up I think (like using too much water), and I would like to know the proper way. I would have no idea how many ml's of water SWIM would have to use to lay one sheet, and the last thing he wants to do is ruin his batch. I removed the part about that anyways, SWIM will use liquid measurement.

Still no comments or experiences with this compound??? What about the ideal dosage of the batch that's going around right now? 800ug?
 
Well, for one, I don't think you should be using water or dipping the paper in anything.

2nd, based on what little reports there are, except to cause major accidents if you have at target dose of 800mcg.

This stuff sounds ... maybe not so worthwhile really. I guess only time will tell, but some amount of time has already gone by, the general public has easy access to it if they stop and look for a few seconds, and I don't know anyone that wants to take it.
 
Well, for one, I don't think you should be using water or dipping the paper in anything.

2nd, based on what little reports there are, except to cause major accidents if you have at target dose of 800mcg.

This stuff sounds ... maybe not so worthwhile really. I guess only time will tell, but some amount of time has already gone by, the general public has easy access to it if they stop and look for a few seconds, and I don't know anyone that wants to take it.
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Why shouldn't I use water for liquid measurement? Is there a solution that would be better than 80/20 water/ethanol? Please enlighten me.

Well, what I want to know is if ANYONE on this board has tried it, what dose, and how their experience was.

I would start with like 200-250mcg and work my way up from there.
 
psilocybonaut said:
Why shouldn't I use water for liquid measurement? Is there a solution that would be better than 80/20 water/ethanol? Please enlighten me.

Well, what I want to know is if ANYONE on this board has tried it, what dose, and how their experience was.

I would start with like 200-250mcg and work my way up from there.
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Water will run all over the place and evaporate slowly... about as slowly as anything you're going to get your hands on, I'd imagine. I'd rather use an absolute alcohol or diethyl ether or something (I don't know anything about its solubility in anything) that would evap really quick so it can't run all over into adjacent tabs. I'd also want to dispense it directly onto each hit with some sort of metered pipette made for high accuracy and precision with extremely small volumes of fluid, after I'd weighed 100mg at least on a scale accurate to something around/under 100mcg.

How the hell are you going to know how much is on a tab if you just dip it in some slow evaporating liquid and let it run all over the place? You won't, and worse, the whole sheet will be all uneven and erratic.

This is a LONG LASTING drug. You don't want to fuck up with it.

There also haven't been a whole lot of people pushing the limit with it, so the toxicity thing is not really pinned down AFAIK.
 
Yes I have tried it, once sublingually at a dose of 250mcg.

You can read my report here:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=231568&highlight=dragonfly

For the record, I found it very pleasent, not unlike I imagine DOB, but very long lasting.

Although a casual search would have turned it up, as well as other peoples experiences....



I don't even think the issue is really with the water measurement - you are handling a drug known to be active in sub-milligram doses, with a couple of reports of very intense experiences with doses in the few milligram range. Precautions should be taken - personally I wouldn't handle pure powder of DOx or LSD without basic precautions of gloves, mask, in a work area that can be properly washed down. This isn't evn like LSD where poor practice is simply going to give you (probably quite heavy) trip if you accidentally ingest some - high doses of DOB and related substances seem to be much less well tolerated.

Accidentally inhaling, swallowing or somehow ingesting (microscopic crystal in a little cut...) a few mgs whilst handling could end you up in the ER.

Selling pure powder of something as unknown and as potent as Br-dfly is highly irresponsible.
 
I'm probably not laying blotter, hasssssle.

I'm going to use liquid measurement (dissolve 10mg in 1000ml of ethanol [is pure ethanol the best substance to use?]). That will make it 100mcg per ml, which will be relatively easy to dose.

What do you guys think?
 
Are you planning to take it orally? There are really quite wild variations in the handle of oral reports I've heard, some getting full effects at 0.5mg and less, some not up til over 1mg. The oral bioavailabilty seems somewhat variable, so everyone should start their doses low - just because 1mg works great ofr you orally doesn't mean it will be fun for everyone else.

I mention this only in the spirit of harm reduction - I don't think you should be giving anyone Br-dfly.
 
i believe the DEA microgram reprts that some of the stuff sold as bromodragonfly was DOB, and all these intrepid psychonauts were doing is rediscovering the dosage level effects of DOB.

bromodragonfly hydrochloride is soluble in ethanol, also isopropanol.

on the related topic if bromodragonfly did kill the norwegian chap then that makes it highly lethal on a par with the nerve agents, lethal dose in low milligrams.
 
I do NOT plan on selling this or anything, I don't even know if I'm gonna order it. I just thought it would be nifty to put on blotter if it would have been easy.

IF i do decide to try this compound, I will heed all you guys' advice and I would use liquid measurement.

I should start out around 200-300mcg if I do, right?
 
Bromo-dragonfly vs LSD

How do these two compare to each other? Is a bromo-dragonfly experience similar to LSD at all (effects, duration, bodyload etc)?
 
no.
one is a phen the other is a trypt.
2 different classes.
effects are different and duration is as well.
not really compareable except the fact they are both psychedelic
 
Well, DOC is a phen, acid is a lysergamide. Give me both in a blind test, and I could not tell which is which. From what I know, same can be said about DOM.
 
Bromo dragonfly is boring and long lasting. It doesn't seem to do anything special. If you want to just listen to music and enjoy simple visuals then it is fine.

LSD is Fun.
 
Elinisti said:
Bromo dragonfly is boring and long lasting. It doesn't seem to do anything special. If you want to just listen to music and enjoy simple visuals then it is fine.
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I got exactly the same impression by reading erowid reports.. Has anyone had an interesting experience with dragonfly?
 
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