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The Big & Dandy Brain Zaps / Brain Shivers Thread

Yeah, I used to get this quite often. From my experience it was taking pills / MDMA (not necessarily a lot) for more than one night on the bounce, thus no doubt depleting already low serotonin levels.

Has anyone else had it where they've drifted off, sort of daydreaming at their desk or whatever, and then BANG! A zap kicks in? Not good in front of your work mates!!

I take it easier nowadays, and don't get it much any more. I've also tried to make sure I pre and post-load with 5-htp. I can't believe nobody has even mentioned this yet!! I know it's possibly only a placebo effect, but I'm sure it's helped me...
 
I've been getting these for as long as I can remember, and usually in bed while reading, just before I get too tried to read any more and struggle to focus.

These zaps happen a fair bit to me on the tail end of 2c-i/2c-e, where ill be in the middle of some CEVs/almost dreams and ill be doing something like walking or picking things up and the zap will happen then cause me to fuck up whatever im doing and jump forwards a fraction of a second. Things like knocking over tables/spilling glasses when moving around. Luckily its never happened while being fully awake and walking around, only ever laying down.

Friends have mentioned sudden mental jerks when coming down off 2c-e, and 'glitches' when tripping in bed, im guessing these are the same thing, but they mentioned it being extremely disturbing. Ive only ever found it extremely annoying when im trying to read, and embarrassing when I walk into a table in a half dream only to realise im laying in bed.
 
Xorkoth said:
You mean when you're about to fall asleep and it suddenly feels like the world fell out from under you and you jump awake in terror?

I've gotten those all my life here and there, but the brain zaps are much different if you ask me. The brain zaps feel extremely wrong and worrying to me. They're actually at least 50% of the reason I won't use MDMA anymore (the rest is because additionally it makes me horrendously depressed for at least a week afterwards).

And I agree, it does feel sort of like hitting your funny bone, but in your head, and it only lasts momentarily.
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If I think about this enough I can do it voluntarily; sounds just like when I yawn. I first noticed this on A weekend binge on .4 of MDMA crystal, I was voluntarily doing it throughout as it would make my eyes wiggle and everything would shift slightly in my peripherals :P Also notice this feeling when I roll my yes back into my head as hard as I can.
Somebody said something about brain damage; and as seeing alot of the members here who have had this problem are DXM & MDMA users could this be due to Neurotoxicity ?
 
^I don't think it has anything to do with any directly caused neurotoxicity of the the chemical in question. MDAI is not neurotoxic yet lots of people report brain zaps after using it. I most likely has something to do with reduced serotonin levels (at least that's one correlated antecedent). The suspected brain damage has to do with the fact that brain zaps are theorized to be isolated seizure-like activity and seizures cause brain damage.
 
Static_Color said:
I seem to be able to flex an area above my throat/tongue that causes a sever high pitch noise to ring, people tripping seem to hear it, and I made some dogs go silent after a while of pushing hard and then they all started barking all at once after stopping and slowing down...
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Sounds like Kechari Mudra, an old powerful yoga technique that is done by inserting the tongue into the hole in the soft palate at the roof of the mouth.

http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/on_your_wings/kecharimudra.htm
http://kecharimudra.tribe.net/thread/e2f859c4-6890-4319-8f8b-e67588c9f4bb
 
Brain shock and temporarily unable to move

How best to explain this? Example:

I've been on a Mephedrone binge on a Thursday night and Friday day and sleep fine Friday night. When I go to bed on the Saturday night, just as I'm about to fall asleep, my brain gets like a zap and I feel like I'm getting an electric shock (only in head, not my body) which paralyzes me completely for about three or four seconds. It completely stuns me and I'm unable to move. It can happen like two or three times before I finally do get to sleep.

It also doesn't happen again 'til the next time I take Mephedrone or other stimulants like MDXX or aMT. It's only stimulants that cause it too, never experienced it after K binges or anything like that.

Weirdly, it's not actually that unpleasant but I find it odd and am therefore wondering if it's normal?
 
Never had it myself but have seen many people talking about "brain zaps", particularly in relation to caning meph. Pretty common I think but surely can't be a good sign?
 
This is pretty widespread it seems,the first time i ever remember experiencing this thing is when i started with zoloft...eventually when i was nearing the end of my 6 month long last dosages i started getting them ALL the TIME.Especially when i moved my eyes to the corners of my eye sockets.It felt pretty ecstatic so i kinda liked it,but obviously if doctors don't even fucking know what it is then all we can do is speculate.Didn't get this stuff with prozac,but that doesn't matter cause all anti depressants are the worst form of bullshit ever created.

I have also had brain zaps after long MDMA or shroom trips,but not for so long times,more intense but for only a few times,my guess is that it happens when your brains serotonine levels are too out of balance that your brain fails to function.As serotonine is a neurotransmitter,too much or too little of it can cause problems.

Perhaps with all the other neurotransmitters going around in the brain like dopamine and all the others,when one of them runs out you get a sort of short circuit maybe.

OR,it is when your brain is trying to excessively reuptake serotonin into the pre-synaptic cell because most of it is absorbed in the post-synaptic,or excess serotonin is lying around in the synapse.With shrooms it's easy to understand,but with depressants,the reuptake is blocked you see.Now this thing is possible because people mostly experience this zap when they are withdrawing from the meds,so that means the reuptake is starting to unblock and the excess serotonin will be starting to be reabsorbed into the pre-synaptic cell again.

Of course it might also be because of MAO violently destroying the excess serotonin that doesn't get absorbed into the post synaptic and doesn't make it into the reuptake.

Last theory is that when you realise all the cells are connected,and when you start at a post-synaptic cell,it will actually be the tail of a pre-synaptic cell.So because all these wires are connected,perhaps when there is too much serotonin in the brain flowing around and the reuptake doesn't have any room where to put it because cells are loaded on both ends pre-synaptic and post-synaptic.So basically easier definition would be there's too much serotonin transmitting the signals,the excess serotonin has no room where to go and something like a short-circuit or overload happens again.

I think that it has something to do with too much serotonine in the synapse gap.Cause when you do shrooms or MDMA,your brain just pumps out all the existing serotonine,it doesn't create anything new.So when all this serotonine is released and going around like crazy your tripping right? After it all ends,your tripping also ends,and the serotonine is either getting reabsorbed,destroyed by MAO or going to the post-synaptic cell where it always goes.So after the trip ends,there's too much serotonine lying around in places where your braincells are not capable of absorbing it.So it's all either trying to force it's way into the post-synaptic or pre-synaptic cell.Or it's getting destroyed by MAO,OR maybe it's even trying to make it's way into post-synaptic cells of other types of neurotransmitters where it doesn't belong.

One way or the other,you shouldnt think you have a tesla coil inside your head that can supercharge you with electromagnetic awesomeness when you get brain zaps.I just hope they don't cause much harm.
 
Static_Color said:
You know when you yawn, that pressure in the middle part of your head,, as well as on the outside of your jaws, where your wisdom teeth are, its kind of like flexing that inner part of your head...

try moving your jaw forward, literally bottom teeth past front and as far as you can, you'll feel it kind of and probably hear it...

I just do it sitting still not really moving...

Its located around where I believe the pineal gland itself is, as well as the pituitary gland, so I dunno if it has any correlation to the actions based off the part of your brain which produces DMT and the secretions of the brain from those points..

I find on DXM I can do it very strongly and can hold it for a long time, Ketamine im just too fuckard... on Shrooms... well I won't go there, a tiny bit made my entire head just go fuckzard... :!

Then I moved here to Afghanistan where psychedelics don't exist, so hopefully once mushrooms start sprouting I'll find some liberty caps, sheep and cattle graze the lands everywhere, and the area I'm at is at a good place for them to grow nicely...
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Yeah, I know this rushing feeling you're talking about. I don't think it's a brain zap. It feels good, actually. And it's not your pineal, but probably your temporal lobes.
 
Stumbled upon this thread..
i get brain zaps all the time. I don't know when they started but I feel like i've had them since I was a kid. I'm 17 now. Still get them sometimes.. it's fucking weird. I hear it, I feel it, it happens randomly at any time. I'm not saying it happens every day, just at random times..
Everyone's comparing it to drug use and falling asleep. Me, I have no explanation..
What the hell was I doing when I was a kid lol..
 
"Electric Twitches" On Mushrooms?

Hey, I was just wondering if this happens to anyone else.
The past three mushroom trips I've had, I seem to get electric shocks in my body. It's like when I try to concentrate on something (like reading), it's too intense for my brain and it sends an electric shock from my head all the way down to about the middle of my arms. Do the mushrooms maybe mess with my nervous system, or are the muscle spasms of any kind?
 
Damn, I thought I was the only one. It's kinda that feeling that you get when you stop cold turkey off of an SSRI like prozac. Those "brain zaps"
 
Rastahund said:
Damn, I thought I was the only one. It's kinda that feeling that you get when you stop cold turkey off of an SSRI like prozac. Those "brain zaps"
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That's exactly what it is, those electric shock sensations arise due to perturbations of the serotonergic system.
 
I've gotten that on 4-AcO-DMT. Do not like, was very disconcerting.

It seems to be particularly common with 4-HO/AcO-DMT vs other psychedelics.
 
^Yeah, that's a good observation. Even simple tryptamines that share most structural similarities with 4-subsituted tryptamines don't seem to be known for producing this phenomenon. I've heard it most commonly reported with mushrooms.
 
Unless of course the much ballyhooed "brain zaps" are not really any electrical phenomena actually occurring in the nervous system at all, but are just hallucinations of such. What's the difference? I'm not sure to tell the truth. Has anyone ever actually measured them as in some spikes that show up if a psychedelic user is hooked up to an EKG machine? You would think they would have been written about. I remain skeptical and am prone to presume they are just body-image hallucinations, not actual electric current traveling down nerves... I've never experienced one in 30 years of extreme psychedelic exploration of many compounds... but perhaps I am just blessed (cursed?) with a nervous system that is a rock of stability 8)
 
I get brain zaps when I do mushrooms. I reckon that's whats happening to you. Also happens after binging on mdma :-)
 
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