Yeah - I think someone just pulled that theory out of their arse tho. There's no evidence for it and I've taken enough DMT to know it's nothing like dreaming.
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Yeah - I think someone just pulled that theory out of their arse tho. There's no evidence for it and I've taken enough DMT to know it's nothing like dreaming.
swilow
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^I think the theory is based solely on the fact that melatonin is excreted by the pineal gland....however, that really should 't mean anything.
I feel relatively convinced DMT has about the same role as acetone in humans ie. none. Its probably just a by-product of serotonin synthesis.
I feel relatively convinced DMT has about the same role as acetone in humans ie. none. Its probably just a by-product of serotonin synthesis.
I know of these brain zaps
They are no joke and if you have experienced them you would probably know exactly how to describe them. When on a high dose psychedelic walk or a low dose one, I have been nearly knocked on my feet by these. They dont happen too many times during a trip. They usually fit into the trip very well. That is to say, they are well placed and seem very meaningful.
If I fall asleep on lsd, "they" usually wake me up. A fractal audio-visual collection of interconnected noises/synesthesia that grows in intensisty as I fall into an actual sleep state. When I reach the sleep state I have fully entered them and they sound like endless electricity coarsing through hollow metal poles being choped on by chain saws, when they become so loud that they TOTALLY wake me up. This is the sleep state scenario, not nearly as intense, and its fairly organic feeling because I dont abuse drugs and have never even used mdma/methy concoctions.
You can slip into it when awake. When it happens for a split second while you are awake, you are going to remember it and its so intense and weird that you will likely think something is wrong with you. It feels like getting hit by a small bolt of lightening and it lasts for way less than one second.
I have experienced them on a mushrooms and lsd combo, and lsa and mushrooms combo, and on ayahuasca.
If its happened to you then you will know it.
I dont pretend to understand why this happens. It can even happen upon waking from a trance or sleep. Its not entirely mdma, or ssri related at all.
If you really give a shit about how I experience it, just ask.
Otherwise, im not going to bother to explain a damn thing.
I just know how fast this message board flows, and im not going to explain a single theory because nobody is going to read it.
I mainly just wanted to say that if this has happened to you you will definitely know it and will likely find this subject to be very interesting.
They are no joke and if you have experienced them you would probably know exactly how to describe them. When on a high dose psychedelic walk or a low dose one, I have been nearly knocked on my feet by these. They dont happen too many times during a trip. They usually fit into the trip very well. That is to say, they are well placed and seem very meaningful.
If I fall asleep on lsd, "they" usually wake me up. A fractal audio-visual collection of interconnected noises/synesthesia that grows in intensisty as I fall into an actual sleep state. When I reach the sleep state I have fully entered them and they sound like endless electricity coarsing through hollow metal poles being choped on by chain saws, when they become so loud that they TOTALLY wake me up. This is the sleep state scenario, not nearly as intense, and its fairly organic feeling because I dont abuse drugs and have never even used mdma/methy concoctions.
You can slip into it when awake. When it happens for a split second while you are awake, you are going to remember it and its so intense and weird that you will likely think something is wrong with you. It feels like getting hit by a small bolt of lightening and it lasts for way less than one second.
I have experienced them on a mushrooms and lsd combo, and lsa and mushrooms combo, and on ayahuasca.
If its happened to you then you will know it.
I dont pretend to understand why this happens. It can even happen upon waking from a trance or sleep. Its not entirely mdma, or ssri related at all.
If you really give a shit about how I experience it, just ask.
Otherwise, im not going to bother to explain a damn thing.
I just know how fast this message board flows, and im not going to explain a single theory because nobody is going to read it.
I mainly just wanted to say that if this has happened to you you will definitely know it and will likely find this subject to be very interesting.
cosmic charlie
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One time on a 1500 ug dose of LSD I felt surges of electricity flow through my body starting from my brain and it traveled through my extremities. It didn't hurt it was more tingly but it did startle me quite a bit when it was happening.
It's never happened to me since that day and I think it was mostly just due to me tripping balls. Wasn't anything like the " brain zaps " that people describe during an anti depressent withdrawl. I think it was just me becoming hyper sensitive to energy that was already there due too the large dose of LSd
It's never happened to me since that day and I think it was mostly just due to me tripping balls. Wasn't anything like the " brain zaps " that people describe during an anti depressent withdrawl. I think it was just me becoming hyper sensitive to energy that was already there due too the large dose of LSd
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I feel "electricity" flowing through my body on LSD even on relatively low doses. When my legs are shaking that generally means I took a fair amount. Brain zaps, which I'm not sure I've experienced, are painful and feel like a pressure change inside your brain. That's more simile than literalism. I came off Venlafaxine and read about the discontinuation symptoms and that's when I first heard the words "brain zaps". I've experienced them I'm pretty sure, but might this be one of those more specific symptoms that people have latched onto because it has a purdy name?
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g1zzl3
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I think they are somehow involved with HPPD, I dont know if ive ever had them but I have had a burst of ringing in my ear (usually just one) that slowly decreases altogether lasting about 30 seconds this only seems to have started happening after a year or so of taking MDMA, Pills, Mushrooms & Acid also have HPPD, not too severe but definatly noticeable and sometimes annoying.
This has happened to me my whole life and I've just assumed it has something to do with pressure changing in the middle ear. That makes a hell of a lot more sense. I've asked people who are not drug users about this and they've experienced it as well. I also experienced this before I used any drugs.
jamaica0535
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Its your body telling you that you should either lay off the drugs, or that your withdrawling...
Mainly it seems to concern things that act on serotonin other than DMT...
People who binge on MDMA get it, people who take SSRI drugs get it....
I think it has to do something with the brain becomming aclimated to larger amounts of serotonin, and then when the levels crash it causes strange reactions.....
In the case of MDMA, the flooding of MDMA and general case of brain zaps after binging and in the case of SSRIs, when you stop taking them that serotonin reuptake effect is no longer taking place so levels come down suddenly and the brain just reacts in the form of brain zaps....
Thats my idea behind the correlation of the two.... withdrawal from the drugs causing drastically lower levels of serotonin to be present, serotonin being a neurotransmitter not being present does not allow certain signals to get through and that in some way probably causes it....
Swizol1
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that same thing happened to me on shrooms......w.as layin in my bed starit at the digital clock and it was like a glitch ........weird...lol
tylerwashere
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I don't see where DMT would fit in, in this theory either? this has never happened to me on DMT or LSD or anything, no matter how close i got to sleep...interesting thought tho....
It's cool to hear all your experiences with this phenomenon but if you are honest you gotto admit these laymans theories are worth next to nothing - including my own.
Have we some physicians or neurologists? Then please step forward with your knowledge and professional experience that is now lacking.
If I may speak for us all the reports are quite interesting and that includes yours yageman - feel free still to share, but guessing at neurochemical symptoms won't do us any good will it?
Let's give it a little time to hear it from people who actually know this advanced stuff in-depth.
Though even when I don't really know I just want to add that I think it's probably that the serotonin system is the culprit.
SSRI discontinuation and MDMA use can cause it and we read about a couple posts about DMT as well, but DMT is an analogue of serotonin as well and acts on at least 2 different 5-HT
receptors. So that too points to your serotonin household, rather dan some other uncertain endogenous DMT theories.
This is being merged with another brain zap thread.
Have we some physicians or neurologists? Then please step forward with your knowledge and professional experience that is now lacking.
If I may speak for us all the reports are quite interesting and that includes yours yageman - feel free still to share, but guessing at neurochemical symptoms won't do us any good will it?
Let's give it a little time to hear it from people who actually know this advanced stuff in-depth.
Though even when I don't really know I just want to add that I think it's probably that the serotonin system is the culprit.
SSRI discontinuation and MDMA use can cause it and we read about a couple posts about DMT as well, but DMT is an analogue of serotonin as well and acts on at least 2 different 5-HT
receptors. So that too points to your serotonin household, rather dan some other uncertain endogenous DMT theories.
This is being merged with another brain zap thread.
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I would honestly tend to assume(given the intensity) that it has something to do with the ability of the self to view all of the neurological connections in your body at once.
I honestly can say that this is exactly what I think it is.
It may be a localized neurological phenom due to its ranges in severity.
In other words this probably doesnt only happen in certain parts of the nervous system.
They are probably called brain zaps when they are at the core of your consciousness, or primarily within the brain. It can scale the whole body though, and these brain zaps are no doubt related in some ways to seizures.
Its basically a 1/4th of a second psychedelic seizure.
The difference between that and a typical seizure is the fact that you can hear it and sort of understand it due to extreme time dilation and other useful psychedelic tools.
If you want advanced stuff, you probably are not going to find that here.
NOBODY fully understands this sort of weird shit.
That would be like trying to figure out why lsd always has lsd visuals.
Youre never going to know that in your life time.
But given the fact that you can make so many associations at once on these psychedelics and the effects it has on creativity and communication skills, I would not assume anything like this has a simple explanation.
For me its my entire nervous system connected at once and firing into some sort of semi-conscious conductive fluid(the nervous system).
I would honestly tend to assume(given the intensity) that it has something to do with the ability of the self to view all of the neurological connections in your body at once.
I honestly can say that this is exactly what I think it is.
It may be a localized neurological phenom due to its ranges in severity.
In other words this probably doesnt only happen in certain parts of the nervous system.
They are probably called brain zaps when they are at the core of your consciousness, or primarily within the brain. It can scale the whole body though, and these brain zaps are no doubt related in some ways to seizures.
Its basically a 1/4th of a second psychedelic seizure.
The difference between that and a typical seizure is the fact that you can hear it and sort of understand it due to extreme time dilation and other useful psychedelic tools.
If you want advanced stuff, you probably are not going to find that here.
NOBODY fully understands this sort of weird shit.
That would be like trying to figure out why lsd always has lsd visuals.
Youre never going to know that in your life time.
But given the fact that you can make so many associations at once on these psychedelics and the effects it has on creativity and communication skills, I would not assume anything like this has a simple explanation.
For me its my entire nervous system connected at once and firing into some sort of semi-conscious conductive fluid(the nervous system).
Not overly sure if this is the same as what you guys are talking about, but just today about 3 days after taking 3 tabs, I was smoking some pretty heady/trippy weed and it felt like it kicked in the LSD effect, i was gettin very slight distortion in everything i looked at, also felt a bit on edge and unsually had alot more energy then I thought i would have.
Just sharing that experience,
Just sharing that experience,
dread
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^ What does that have to do with brain zaps?
anarchogen
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if im thinking of the right thing, id rather call it jolts
micro-convulsions? usually ill be laying down and my whole body jumps
and id hit my head on the bed post or something, sounds kinda like automatic-locomotion;
i had those in rehab, and almost full seizures when something hallucinatory happened like the ceiling looked like it fell down a few notches, the jolts still happen but just with my legs and head.
micro-convulsions? usually ill be laying down and my whole body jumps
and id hit my head on the bed post or something, sounds kinda like automatic-locomotion;
i had those in rehab, and almost full seizures when something hallucinatory happened like the ceiling looked like it fell down a few notches, the jolts still happen but just with my legs and head.
dread
Bluelighter
No it's not the same thing. Brain zaps are more like stuff that happens inside your head. It's like the connection between your brain and spine is suddenly severed, you feel a surge of electricity inside your head, it's usually accompanied with an electrical buzzing sound... the phenomenon often seems to be connected with sleep paralysis, although it can occur independently.
I think this happened to me at a music festival. Me and 2 friends ate 13 grams of shrooms on a somewhat empty stomach, so about 4.? Grams a piece. A was standing outside of my friends car in the hot sun when I felt kind of dizzy and felt like sitting down. So I did and what followed was scary. I had a sort of full body quiver. It started in my brain and went down to he end of my spinal cord. I felt pretty panicked and that wasn't very good if ur on shrooms, almost felt like I was gonna pass out. This is one reason I don't eat shrooms anymore.
dragonslayer428
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I had the same thing when put in Effexor and if I didn't take it the same time every day, i'd get brain zaps. Now, I'm on Paxil and get them every now and then, but not nearly as much. Once, I tried getting off the Paxil and the brain zaps were so bad, I said fuck it and just stayed on it. It fucking sucks!
Fuck me, I thought I was going crazy. I had these a while ago on the verge of sleep pretty regularly, horrible sensation. It was like someone inflating a balloon inside my head until it burst. All gone now though thank God.