The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread

[DwayneHoover]

Hey cbn5 - As the beta-ketone analogue of MDMA, which is both an empathogen AND a mild hallucinogen, yes Methylone should be slightly trippy.

Your doses were too small to get a good effect.

I used to need a MINUMUM of 175mg for proper effect. Though lately that is not quite doing it for me. But for a beginner that is probably enough. Any less than that and it will not work at its best.

Also... any redosing up to 200mg between 30m and 1hr15min after first dose AT THE LONGEST and the redose just gives excess stimulation that lasts longer. ONLY ONE redose, within about one hour. Actually, its best to just save it for another night.

Anyway, at 175mg - 200-mg what should happen is:
- first alert 15min-25 min
- steadily rising feeling of stimulation and excitement... moderate increase in heart rate... perhaps some rushes where heart rate jumps up, but just relax and breath deep to get plenty of oxygen and you will be fine.
- avoid alchohol and pot at this phase as these can blunt the main effect which is...
- at 45min to one hour mark, the excess stimulation should melt away somewhat to be replaced with a beautiful stress-dissolving head-swimming euphoria. Tingly scalp and other skin is common. Moving around... careful because you will be uncoordinated... can feel like you are floating off the ground... this phase should last about 45min to 90min. It may well feel rather trippy. You should feel as if angels have snuck up behind you and suddenly lifted the weight of the world off of your shoulders.
- you will be left with a feeling of stimulation lasting perhaps another 3-4 hours.
- some pot and/or alchohol AFTER the main euphoria has worn off is nice and can really take the edge off. I like a good strong beer because the hops helps the chill-out process as well.

 

[kingme]

hello everybody.

Im not yet that familiar where to put this in the forum, but i have seen others post trip reports here so i thought i would share mine.

Male, 70kg, fit, 25 yo, previous experience with shrooms, mdai, various jwh, weed
no previous experience with any mdma or mdma-like substance, or any stims for that matter.
also i notices i am quite sensitive to these substances, usually being very satisfied with low doses. or perhaps my brain is just preparing itself for the long run

The story goes that i was supposed to go to this club late at night, but got there a bit later than expected. Anxious to try this product as i have heard good things about it in the clubbing environment. Was previously thinking of using mdai for this occasion but decided on bk-mdma instead.

At T-0 Ingested around 150mg, capsules (didnt have big capsules so had to use 2 smaller ones), weighted on a 0,001g scale (and i say around because during the transfer some of the powder might have gotten stuck to the paper or licked by me (this was considered an allergy test (the licking))

T+1h - absolutely no effects, a bit of a dissapointment at first, because previous capsules with other substances took within an hour. in afterthought, it might have been the change of capsules that caused the delay, or the food i had eaten previously.

T+1:30 - a bit nervous about no effects, and as i didnt want to mix the experience with alcohol, the fun i was having was less than for others... so... i gave in and swallowed another 100mg capsule (in total 250mg were ingested)

T+2h - something is happening: its not exactly cev, rather like when eyes are closed you get a glimpse of the image you were looking at before closing them - perhaps in strange colors sometimes, but nothing imparing or distracting for that matter. pupil dilation is visible but not as pronounced as with mdai or shrooms for example. The friends were asked (who had no notion of me taking the capsules) and did not notice the pupils, only the redness of eyes (due to the smoke in said place)

T+4h - during the following hours, the effects were getting stronger: no more cev, but an improved sense or rythim, tingling of the back (backbone and shoulders. all the way to the top of the scalp), each followed by a wave of energy. Unfortunately the dose might have been to big for a first timer, and the speedyness of the drug became quite evident. i felt a little impatient, but no fatigue, just an inner need to move/dance/shake that booty. approaching groups of people or individuals in the disco was a breeze, with the dancing and the general energy people recieved me because they saw it as a plus to the dance dynamic. Smiling was very nice, talking to people did not become faster, and the state of clearheadedness was very interesting and comforting. Its not that suddenly all became more profound, but that i was more content with the things around me, and felt like i was part of the crowd, the big family of humans. Because of this flirting was very friendly and not at all "lets get to it, i want it now", being relaxed and in control was very nice. always felt in control, like the speed of real life was just a decision away. Unfortunately no outer-wordly euphoria or floating sensations, but was also probably not paying attention because of enjoying the dancing so much (i am not an avid or for that matter very good dancer). No craving for another dose at any time (actually wish i had taken a smidgen less)

It actually felt like some of the good things i like to get from alcohol in this setting: more entactogenity or loss of minor inhibitions, forgetting fatigue.

Now for the negative side effects:
- a bit too speedy for my liking, but this is also probably because of the kinda high dose for an inexperienced used. this caused me to move excessivly and drink a whole heap of water. I also wanted to conceal my euforia and energy by blaming them on redbulls, of which i drank 2 over these 4 hours. this of course increased the speediness (i am not a coffee or energy drink drinker in general) and gave me the feeling like i just oculd not stand still. any rythm of music made me jump up and move. This was fun the first 2 hours, but became suspicious after another one
- heart rate increase, from a base ~65 to around 75 when resting, though it probably went higher during the dancing
- sweatiness - though the disco was poorly ventilated, and my attire was not really meant for that high temperatures, my pals were sweaty and sticky a bit, something that does not happen to me from heat alone.
- lack of appetite: since the event not even a trace of hunger, though the dinner was light and i usually eat a lot for breakfast
- a slight sensation after a while (after 4 hours) that i had way too much energy and muscle tension caused me to move a bit brutal (probably not the right word but its too early to know good english), perhaps a bit like a robot (but not that bad eh). no discoordonation noted

T+7h - some of the effects are still present (i just came back form that party btw). still feeling like dancing, still a bit too much mind alertness, i suspect difficulty (if not impossibility) of sleeping for the next 4 hours at least. Typing is fast and precise (but then again i am used to fast precise typing). peeing was not a problem, and in the shower i kept dancing to the sound of the waterdrops.
a slight headache is starting to form (though i have been awake and very busy with work and then the party in the night, and have been getting headaches all week)



I will try to update this thread as more time passes and if some effects appear over time. I will not be using any other substances because i want the epxerience to show me the pure effects.

Overall i was quite impressed with this product, and will be ordering more (though at the same time it makes me crave for real mdma that much more). I would use this product again in the club setting, but i think i would not use it alone at home because i generally dont need speed/euphoria/energy in the house (thats the place for tripping and relaxing).


Now some questions:
- how often can one use this without becoming addicted or increasing the tolerance? (in other words, can one use this in 2 days in a row for once in a month?) i have read that one could use it every 2-3 weeks without tolerance buildbup, but was thinking of the use in consecutive days.

- how do you think this would combine with mdai? i think it would perhaps bring it closer to a mdma experience, seeing as how for me at least mdai has a more sedaing and comforting sensation, and would probably reduce the after effects of methylone quite nicely (some dose suggestions would be nice ) on the forums it seems to be a great combination but the doses vary quite a lot. i would think around 150mdai and 150bkmdma would be best, but perhaps it is a bit too much (i for example enjoyed an 150mg mdai capsule quite a lot on its own)

 

[YaniCZka]

check the mdai thread - there seem to be lots of good experience with mixing m1 and mdai but i am not sure about the ammounts.

 

[Si Dread]

I've tried M1 twice now, both in exactly the same way I'd use MDMA. I divide it into 25mg doses. I often take 2 to start with & then one every hour or so for duration of requirement.

First time was a daytime test run. 50mg, quick walk in park, yup feels nice coming up very mdma, enjoy first hour thoroughly. Return t+1 hr ingest 25mg, go out for another walk. Deep discussions, kinda dark, political. Definite MDMA like effects, similar but different... stimulating, & very interesting.... return home with gf as evening starts to darken & take final 25mg... Rest of evening pleasant MDMA-lke comforts, perhaps a little more stimulating & perhaps a little less touchy-feely. Despite 3 relatively small doses I'm surprised by duration of effect, it's another 4 hours before we start to relax. These woulda been 4 uncomfortable, anxiety filled hours if not for 5mg Diazepam each, & after long & stunning love-making we slept a normal night & suffered only the most minor hangover. Altogether about a 6+ on the enjoyment scale, & I've had MDMA trips less fun than that.

Second was abroad, sunny holiday. First dose about 25mg 10pm, leave hotel get train to to "party central". Off train, get lost... t+1 hour, ingest 2nd 25mg. Feeling good, warmest night of the holiday... Takes about another our to find a port area fulla RnB bars... Lots of half naked people... hmmmm doesnt look good for us. t+2 hours, sit on beach smoke spliff & ingest 3rd, 25mg... return to party area for closer look, still no sign of good music. Gain directions to "24 hour Square". First we spend time in a surprisingly enoyable lap-dancing/strip-joint with ice cold drinks then (25mg, 1am now 100mgs), leave find dance club... Stay in dance club free, no entry charge but sadly only 2 out of 10 for music, good mixed european crowd lots of gorgeous women & men... left 7am... eased the doses to 25mg every 2nd hour. Got home played music, danced about, drank juices, shagged & had 25mg occassionally through the day until the 400mg we'd started with had run out This was not uncontrolled bingeing, it was out intention to enjoy the lot in once sesh. I hardly ever do long sesh (I'm 42 yrs old, been into E since '91 & I've had 4 seshs like this, other 3 on mdma) my gf is 24, this was her first "binge" & we did it so she could see what it was like.

Having researched Methylone thoroughly between these trips I preloaded the the holiday trip with 5mgs each of Diazepam & took a 10mg & 2x5mgs clubbing. We never took the 10mg but the 5mg got taken once we got back to the flat. Normally, return from club & settling into safe enviroment with own music on & pulled curtains brings pleasant returning mmmmming. this time arrival home brought anxiety... Obviously, it's the cathinones, I've known it since my first Meph line. Anyway, we countered immediately with those 5mg tabs & soon settled into a day long chill-out, smoking ALOT of very strong gear, playing music, playing with each other & gernerally loving it

We gave this experience a 9.5 but never really felt the effects any more strongly on either occasions. It was simply that the first time wasnt meant for fun, it was meant to discover the effects before relying on it to party (seeing we're sans MDMA ) Partying on our regular modest doses was more than effective. So I personally find this chemical an excellent, if imperfect replacment for other dacne drugs. I would suggest that if it's to be used sensibly it shoud be treated with the same respect as mdma, if not more, due to it's shorter history of large-scale use.

 

[Coolio]

I've never heard of anyone feeling such low doses of methylone before!

 

[theotherside]

^^I had always heard that you can't feel methylone when it is snorted in small amounts like you can with meph, but to start my night I snort around 25mg's and get a nice stim rush for about 20 minutes. I do this to get me "pumped up" for the night's big bombs. You can't snort it all night or anything, but those first two lines work great and don't take away from that great hour long rush you get with bombing.

 

[Glow2]

We gave this experience a 9.5 but never really felt the effects any more strongly on either occasions.

That's probably because you were doing 50mg doses...try 150

 

[theotherside]

^^^Yes with quality methylone, 150mg-250mg bombed can be just as intense as a good MDMA rush IMO. While I'm on it I'm thinking..."why don't do this more often" and then the short lived high dies before you blink and the second dose is only so-so and I remember why I don't do it very often.

 

[Glow2]

yeah agreed, the intensity is almost as good as molly. Yet, it doesn't last long enough...a quick roll with hours of disappointment, and a devil on your shoulder shouting "Redose!". As I said in another topic...I was a compulsive redoser for awhile there, and lately have been taking threshold doses of 4acodmt to bring the roll back up. Works kinda...but I kind of lose my mind and get agitated.

 

[Si Dread]

I've never heard of anyone feeling such low doses of methylone before!

Partly coz I'm particularly sensitive to chems, partly coz I'm small 5'6 & only 50kgs, partly coz I have ALWAYS kept my chemical usage very moderate. My gf is small too!

When we do it in low increments, we dont seem to get this crash that all the 250mg users describe. I've never really liked the heavy come up with large MDMA doses & using Methylone this way creates a rather serene plateau that lasts as longs as we keep dosing.

 

[CatfishRivers]

In my experience, preloading an hour prior to ingestion with piracetam and choline intensifies the experience somewhat, or at least it seemed to in the handful experiences where I used it prior to taking methylone. My usual dose is 250 mg and yeah the redosing urge is strong. I usually use up a gram in a night.

MDAI mixed well. I think the best way I've taken it so far was to take the piracetam and choline...wait an hour about, then take 150 mg mdai and wait about 45 mins and then take 250 mg methylone. The overall experience was a lot like what I remember mdma to be like, seems to be stronger and more well rounded than methylone by itself, and has a bit more of the writhing around in pleasure feeling than methylone itself.

 

[kingme]

Just wanted to report a nice experience with a relatively low dose of methylone.

The evening was very mellow and was planning on an early night until something came up. Decided to try a low dose methylone, around 85mg, bombed with water on an empty stomach, to see if any results can be had. Last time the dose was a little too much (250) and resulted in a lost night and way too much speediness for my liking. Mind that i am a relatively new student in the art of the RC, so my sensitivity is still low.
The effects came after about 40mins, a bit of a rush, a bit of speedyness, but head was clear, conversations normal, pupils/bp/pulse normal, lots of sweat, but then again it is a heatwave here. Gave me just the right amount of energy to go out and seem fresh. No need to redose.
Sex was quite possible, enjoyable and as a side effect it lasted longer than usual. Might have been other factors though.
After 5hours, sleep doesnt seem impossible and apart from some physical fatigue, all else seems back to baseline, perhaps still a bit of restlessness. Will report later if these make sleep harder, but so far it seems <100mg methylone is just right for a surprize night out.

Liking this substance more and more.

 

[Glow2]

In my experience, preloading an hour prior to ingestion with piracetam and choline intensifies the experience somewhat, or at least it seemed to in the handful experiences where I used it prior to taking methylone. My usual dose is 250 mg and yeah the redosing urge is strong. I usually use up a gram in a night.

I hear you on that...when I first started playing around with methylone I was killing a gram in a day too. I've gained some self control, but it can be very addictive in the moment; to the point where I feel I can't wait until my next experience and would rather redose on the spot.

If used wisely it's a great substance.

 

[bom]

This is the second time I bought some M1 from the same vendor. At the first time the stuff was the form of small crystalls, this time it is very fine powder. The effects seem very same. Any explanations for this?

 

[etage]

Different batches, different synthesis routes etc. I've had a lot of different methylone batches, some of them were a fine powder, some of them crystals, sometimes white, sometimes off-white.

I don't think it says anything about the purity, because powdery and off-white batches sometimes were stronger than the crystal ones.

 

[UYI]

Would it be safe to mix methylone and MDAT? Say 160mg of methylone to 40mg MDAT?

 

[Glow2]

These are research chemicals...nobody really knows if they're safe or not.

 

[theotherside]

^^well put......that is why I'm aways feeling guilty about giving advice about RC's because it is like the blind following the blind...with the exception of a few chemistry guru's we have on the site.

 

[YaniCZka]

Would it be safe to mix methylone and MDAT? Say 160mg of methylone to 40mg MDAT?

if you check mdat thread there is somebody who did it and had amazing results

 

[blauwelichten]

Methylone triggered in me severe chronic bronchitis, 15grams happily chucked down the toilet, the effects were like rubbish pills too.
It was the sweating (through chest sweats) which brought it on.
I'm prone to chest issues, but this was a week of non-stop coughing.