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The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread

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Anyone with a tolerance to MDMA try bk-MDMA?

I usually take about 230 mg of high purity MDMA crystal.

Would bk-MDMA be worthwhile for someone with this much tolerance?

How much would I need to take?

I wonder if the tolerance is the same, or if the cross tolerance is not as pronounced as just doing MDMA.
 
I find them equipotent.

For the first time recently I had a measured dose of 120mg of MDMA and found it lower than what I was expecting; it actually felt like the strength of 120mg bk-MDMA (which I normally take 140-150 of)
 
^^ So you found Molly! I remember reading in the N & S American "Molly in Canada" thread that you had never found any before. Glad to hear :)

I may have to try out methylone, but I'm worried about cross-tolerance between MDMA. Anyone with tolerance to MDMA have anything to say about bk-MDMA?
 
So the wife and I tried methylone for the first time tonight. She tried 90mg and I tried 120mg (oral). Basically neither of us got much of a feel for the chemical. There was a more positive mindset perhaps but not much more. Weed was good and we were more energetic than typical.

So what dose should I go for next to try for a full experiance?
 
^ I'd say try 150-160mg for a true experience.

Looking back on my previous expereinces that I thought were around 120mg of MDMA; judging by me recent experience with actually measured 120mg, I'd say I was taking 150. I would double drop and now I'd say the pills were 70-80mg.

And yeah lsd; in a very un-regular way I finally found molly. :)
 
love_sex_desire said:
Anyone with a tolerance to MDMA try bk-MDMA?

I usually take about 230 mg of high purity MDMA crystal.

Would bk-MDMA be worthwhile for someone with this much tolerance?

How much would I need to take?

I wonder if the tolerance is the same, or if the cross tolerance is not as pronounced as just doing MDMA.
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I don't think there's much of a cross-tolerance if you arn't using them often - for example I used methylone every day for a week and then tried MDMA for the first time in 12 months and it was fine. But if you're using both MDMA and methylone regularly then I think you do notice a drop off in effects. Whether that's cross-tolerance or not I don't know.
 
How long to wait after reversible MAOI before Methylone is safe to take?

I last took a Moclobemide (MAO-A inhibitor, for oral DMT enjoyment) about 17 hours ago...

I wonder how long one is supposed to wait after stopping a reversible MAOI (said to effectively last approximately 16 hours, though it only has a half-life of 2 hours) before taking Methylone?

I've read: "A washout period of two days is necessary when switching to a tricyclic antidepressant"

And: "For SSRIs, a washout period of at least four to five half-lives is required"

But don't know what to think about something in Methylone's class of substances.

I'll probably wait 3 days, but still am curious what the limit really should be.
 
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^ I'd say try 150-160mg for a true experience.

Looking back on my previous expereinces that I thought were around 120mg of MDMA; judging by me recent experience with actually measured 120mg, I'd say I was taking 150. I would double drop and now I'd say the pills were 70-80mg.
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Thanks for that. Next attempt we'll try at least 150 each. Incidentally, the extra energy was nice from the lower dose, but it meant that my wife couldn't sleep all night (even though we went to bed at 2AM after dosing at 8PM). I slept, but I woke up with a headache and still somewhat wired. I think we'll dose during the day next time (or on a night when we don't expect to sleep).
 
Gah, I'm kind of biting my tongue over this now... I have a good 9 hours before work and nothing to do, and it's been 2 months since I last had any Methylone and now I'm just sitting here looking at it...

My curiosity is getting the better of me for some reason.

I'm just going to hope 10mg of Methylone will be safe after 18 hours off of Moclobemide. Heh, if I don't report back then that probably means it wasn't safe! LOL!

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I'll see if I can hold out another hour or 2, just in case somebody knows the real answer to "Moclobemide previous day, Methylone OK next day?" question...
 
^^ Nine hours before work sounds like a great time to sleep! Perfectly co-ordinated time frame.

I have no idea about methylone interactions, but that is a good question. How long should you wait after taking an MAOI before doing MDMA or something similar, such as this thread's namesake?
 
Depends on how fast moclobemide clears the system. Look up things like it's half-life to figure it out.

I also think you mean to take more than 10mg ;) What's the number between the 1 and 0?

Also if you have to work in 9 hours I'd just postpone it; it's not going to be fun going to wor on a MDxx comedown.
 
These doses sound ridiculously low for full experiences. 120 or 150mg's, neither would do much of anything for me, unless I was combing it with something else. I normally take on the low end 250mg's and on the high end 380-400mg's in a night, starting off with 200mg's and then taking 2 100mg boosters.
 
Those kinds of doses would sketch me right out. It would be so speedy and the comedown would be horrific. No thank you.

150mg is great for me. A lot of EADDers take doses like that though; I don't know how they can do it.

Very different body chemistry I guess. 150mg gives me full empathogenic effects without going too far into speedy sketchy bad comedown land.

It's better off to start too low than start too high. From a low dose you can figure out what an active dose for you is. I was underhwelmed by 120mg of MDMA; but now I know I need 150. It's a learning curve.
 
Yeah, what sucks is I just woke up only a bit ago and was just looking for something happy to fill the time since it's going to be a 12 hour long nightshift from hell.

Oh well, I'll try 10mg first and then measure my body's temp. If it's stable then I'll try 50mg, if it's still stable then we'll see about a regular Methylone dose.

The plus side about Methylone's "speedy" aftereffects is that it's perfect when you're on a day schedule and need to switch to a night schedule later the same day.

It's just that I read about MDMA + MAOI's destroying internal organs and causing deadly levels of Hypothermia... thus the question and the low doses mentioned.

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BTW half life is only 2 hours for Moclo, but effects are supposed to last 16 hours, and tricyclic antidepressants are suggested to be avoided for 2 days. SSRI's need a washout period of 4 to 5 half-lives, so I guess just 12 or so hours tops?

I don't know what that tells us about something like Methylone though...
 
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It's just that I read about MDMA + MAOI's destroying internal organs and causing deadly levels of Hypothermia... thus the question and the low doses mentioned.
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I thought that was hyperthermia (body temp too high), not hypothermia (body temp too low).
 
PepperSocks said:
Those kinds of doses would sketch me right out. It would be so speedy and the comedown would be horrific. No thank you.

150mg is great for me. A lot of EADDers take doses like that though; I don't know how they can do it.

Very different body chemistry I guess. 150mg gives me full empathogenic effects without going too far into speedy sketchy bad comedown land.

It's better off to start too low than start too high. From a low dose you can figure out what an active dose for you is. I was underhwelmed by 120mg of MDMA; but now I know I need 150. It's a learning curve.
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for me 100mg mdma is plenty with 80mg also being able to provide the full experience, but with methylone i'll usually take 200mg and plan to dose higher the next time. either your mdma isn't the purest or it comes down to different brain chemistry...


@theazo
yep, it's hyperthermia. people get that mixed up all the time.
 
TheAzo said:
I thought that was hyperthermia (body temp too high), not hypothermia (body temp too low).
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Yeah, wasn't thinking.

Anyway, I have a massive headache now and temp is a little above 100, and I called in sick from work.

Moral of the story: Don't do what I did. Even 24 hours post Moclobemide doesn't seem to be enough. Very rapid heartbeat right now. I hope it calms down soon.

About 70mg of Methylone was fine. It didn't start getting bad until I redosed several hours later with probably around 90mg.

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Anyone know if it would be a bad idea now to take some Phenibut? Since that stuff calms you down pretty nicely.

I've been popping aspirin to try and lower the temp and headache... seems to be OK so far.

Has gotten better over the last couple hours.
 
I've been curious about Methylone and I think i got to experience it on accident. My friend told me he was getting 'molly'. I was skeptical about it from the start because i knew the guy he was getting it from.

Anyways we dropped and it hit in about a 1/2 hour and i felt the kind of light/warm feeling i get from Ecstasy but it never really built up to anything after that. If ecstasy is like rolling this was more like coasting, music was ok, but not necessary to the experience like it is on Ecstasy. The headspace was interestingly not all positive like i usually feel on Ecstasy it was just a bit analytical, (possibly because we didn't get what we were looking for.) There was a slight sedate feeling but definitely mild jaw clenching and mild stimulation. My friend got pretty frustrated within an hour of it and left, i actually enjoyed it a lot and saw it as more of a 'mature' mdma. I definitely would never replace mdma with this, but it seems like a decent substitute to have when you want to be with a friend or lover and have to go to work the following day.
 
possibly methylone, but unless you test it (marquis would probably suffice) we'll never know and speculation on what it was is a bit pointless.

timeframe and your description of "a more mature mdma" does sound right though. if you were thinking it was mdma you probably underdosed. i get an experience almost like mdma with 200mg of methylone (whereas 100mg of mdma is enough for me).
 
While i do agree with you somewhat in that I don't think i can know 100% I have read enough about Methylone to get a general idea of what the effects are like. I mean when when I first read about Ecstasy or LSD and then I did it and found a lot of those same effects to what i read I got a good idea that I actually got Ecstasy or LSD. Conversely, especially with Ecstasy a couple times, i have gotten some things (methbombs, Pipes) that i could tell were not MDxx drugs. Now i'm not familiar with MDBD or MDAI or alot of those other softer MDxx compounds, but i know for sure it was not mephedrone and i know for sure it was not MDMA.
 
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