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The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread

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I just want to note briefly here that, following four consecutive evenings of methylone abuse (c. 1 gram, insufflated, over the course of each evening/night), a day of unpleasant hangover-like symptoms (akin to those experienced after a night of heavy ethanol abuse) ensued; i.e. severe headache, nausea, vomiting, etc. This is the first (and, I hope, last; since I clearly have forfeited any right to claim to be able to regain a 'healthy' relationship with this chemical) time that I've experienced quite such nasty physical aftereffects from this drug (or, really, any drug other than ethanol itself). In the past (on less heavy, or more spaced-out doses), only tiredness and sometimes low mood have been an issue.

Incidentally, this increasingly habitual use of methylone has robbed it almost entirely of any positive effects.
 
any major dude said:
Thanks. I'll probably be trying this in combo with MDAI soon and am thinking about starting around that dose, moving up from there.
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This makes me remember the first time I tried a MDAI+Methylone combo. Future experiments were more euphoric, but that first time with MDAI+Methylone really hit me funny.

(Keep in mind I've never had MDMA, so even when I first took MDAI it also really struck me with a different headspace that first time than the typical mild MDAI experience which myself and all other researchers have come to expect out of the chemical.)

Rather than empathy or any general emotions, with MDAI+Methylone I experienced a highly specific headspace that was the prototypical definition of intense longing. Certainly had nothing specific I felt a need for, but wow was it ever seriously intense. Like how when you were a kid and saw a toy or something in the store and every fiber of your being was screaming to be in possession of that thing. Except this wasn't quite so materialistic/possessive, and I had no particular goal I was longing for whatsoever.

Anyone else get a very specific reaction, less generally blissful headspace from this combo? It may not have been as euphoric as Methylone by itself, but it sure fascinated the hell out of me that a drug combo could incite one particular feeling alone that you usually feel momentarily, and then extend it for a couple hours. Confusing, but fun in retrospect.
 
any major dude said:
is this more of a straight stimulant at lower doses, say 30-60mgs? or is this too low for much of anything at all to be felt?
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30-60mg of M1? I honestly think you'd feel an espresso more than that. The dose range I've seen most is around 150-250mg. Personally I find it's pure fiend and tweak almost whatever the dose - almost like bad coke but with less ego-swagger, more empathy and at least as much fiending. Drove me fuckin' nuts and the comedown was so brutal it just wasn't worth attempting lower-range doses for me.

I initially wrote it off as kinda like meph only less enjoyable (and I'm no meph fan) and all the feelings of having poisoned yourself horribly that meph should have but often doesn't. At the 200-250mg range I found the fiendishness dropped considerably, much more empathetic and the comedown was nothing like as bad even though using the same amount.

For me lower doses just leave me hanging in a kinda weird, wired OCD place and I just have to chase the high that will never happen to try to ward off the horrid fiending. Which clearly won't work :\

Strange stuff and I would strongly recommend against snorting it - seems a lot weaker and a lot more cracked out and fiending no matter what the dose. Oral or rectal (if you find the elusive sweet spot) was definitely the best option for me. For straight stims there are far better options, in my opinion.
 
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Shambles said:
30-60mg of M1? I honestly think you'd feel an espresso more than that. The dose range I've seen most is around 150-250mg. Personally I find it's pure fiend and tweak almost whatever the dose - almost like bad coke but with less ego-swagger, more empathy and at least as much fiending.
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Someone without tolerance to stimulants/MDxx's will definitely feel 30-60mg.

I wouldn't say it feels like a straight stimulant though. More euphoric, less functional, less focused (as compared to amphetamine). Definite desire to redose (ie, fiending) even at that dose range.

However, it's worth noting that I have never taken MDMA (while many people taking methylone have taken lots of it) and I have never really abused stims (some adderall here and there, and a little buphedrone) - so i may have poor grounds for comparison, and little tolerance.
 
BiG StroOnZ said:
As the title says, are there any known dangers of giving someone with a minor case of Ataxia, bk-MDMA (methylone)?

I have a friend very interested in trying this compound, looking for the MDMA experience. However, after briefly researching, any possible reactions or interactions with MDMA and Ataxia. I discovered some interesting claims and data suggesting MDMA actually can cause Ataxia (although not proven supposedly)?

Now I know bk-MDMA and MDMA aren't the same, but I just wanted to be sure on whether or not these speculations are true and whether or not my friend would be OK to consume this lovely compound.

Thanks.
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Im just bumping this question from the previous page hoping someone can help Stroonz...............
 
Mazza in Swirlsville, huh? Now that is a rarity. You'll be telling tales of elves soon at this rate 8o

The Azo: I've never heard of anyone dosing M1 lower than 100mg or so really and the figures above are on the low-moderate side really - 250mg+ for an MDMAesque experience seems fairly standard. I agree with the fiending at lower doses which is why I recommend slightly higher ones - less frustration, fiending and fewer hours of horrid wiredness after.

Those small doses (say 100-150mg for one with more familiarity with stims) is just a pure headfuck for me - spend the whole time trying to talk myself out of redosing (cos after 1 or 2 bombs it's TweakTown all the way down :|) and ending up using the lot and not enjoying any of it. Very much an all or nothing for me.

Not a good choice as a straight stim, I' day - other than the wired comedown maybe when you're wide awake forever just wishing it would go away 8o
 
Shambles said:
30-60mg of M1? I honestly think you'd feel an espresso more than that. The dose range I've seen most is around 150-250mg. Personally I find it's pure fiend and tweak almost whatever the dose - almost like bad coke but with less ego-swagger, more empathy and at least as much fiending. Drove me fuckin' nuts and the comedown was so brutal it just wasn't worth attempting lower-range doses for me.

I initially wrote it off as kinda like meph only less enjoyable (and I'm no meph fan) and all the feelings of having poisoned yourself horribly that meph should have but often doesn't. At the 200-250mg range I found the fiendishness dropped considerably, much more empathetic and the comedown was nothing like as bad even though using the same amount.

For me lower doses just leave me hanging in a kinda weird, wired OCD place and I just have to chase the high that will never happen to try to ward off the horrid fiending. Which clearly won't work :\

Strange stuff and I would strongly recommend against snorting it - seems a lot weaker and a lot more cracked out and fiending no matter what the dose. Oral or rectal (if you find the elusive sweet spot) was definitely the best option for me. For straight stims there are far better options, in my opinion.
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thanks, ha, i'm drinkin espresso right now... I was going to use a low-ish dose of m1 in combo with mdai. I was going to use 2 doses of m1 @ ~40mg & 1 dose of MDAI @ 60-70mg & work my way up from there, if necessary. According to the copious amount of reading i've done about these two chems, it appears that 80mg m1 & 70mg MDAI would have roughly the same NE, DA, & 5ht activity as 80-100mg MDMA. Certainly going to be an interesting experiment.
TheAzo said:
Someone without tolerance to stimulants/MDxx's will definitely feel 30-60mg.

I wouldn't say it feels like a straight stimulant though. More euphoric, less functional, less focused (as compared to amphetamine). Definite desire to redose (ie, fiending) even at that dose range.

However, it's worth noting that I have never taken MDMA (while many people taking methylone have taken lots of it) and I have never really abused stims (some adderall here and there, and a little buphedrone) - so i may have poor grounds for comparison, and little tolerance.
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thanks, i don't have much, if any tolerance for stims/m1, another part of the reason i'm curious about such low doses. I'm hoping the MDAI may quell the redose compulsion a bit, but that remains to be seen
 
M1 dosage?

OK, newbie here so unsure if im in the right thread or not,so i apologise in advance! :\

just got hold of some m1, actually reminds me of demerara sugar!
was just wondering what dosage for first time would be best and what intake,orally /dissolved/insufflated?

peace<3
 
ONCEISNEVERENOUGH said:
OK, newbie here so unsure if im in the right thread or not,so i apologise in advance! :\

just got hold of some m1, actually reminds me of demerara sugar!
was just wondering what dosage for first time would be best and what intake,orally /dissolved/insufflated?

peace<3
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150-200 mg is a good starting dosage, but obviously your ideal dose will depend on body weight, sensitivity etc.

I've had best results from oral intake, just put it in a gelcap or wrap it in a rizla or tissue paper if you don't have any.
 
kayenta said:
150-200 mg is a good starting dosage, but obviously your ideal dose will depend on body weight, sensitivity etc.

I've had best results from oral intake, just put it in a gelcap or wrap it in a rizla or tissue paper if you don't have any.
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THANKS! ;) was thinking maybe 150mg oral then a line of methedrone - which is my usual rc....... just cut down on the size of my lines though!;)
 
^i'd suggest getting to grips with 'lone first though. Just so ya got a feel for it y'know?
 
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