Xorkoth
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Yeah, we don't allow any source discussion here at all... Bluelight should remain about theoretical drug-taking only. But what I meant was, in your original post you named a name. Even if it's shut down, that's a big no-no. 
The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread
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I just obtained 500mg of M1. I've taken pure MDMA crystal a few times, 95mg-200mg, and I loved it. I know methylone is not the same but somewhat close to MDMA experience. I like to take it easy on my body and work myself up, but having only 500mg, I can work it up the way I would like. Some people say 100mg is plenty, while others say 200mg has no effect. What would a recommended starting dose be? I am thinking 150mg?
Xorkoth
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You got me... investimigation will commence.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
I'm thinking about taking this drug again, since it helped me open up to my emotional self last time I took it, I'm just waiting for the right person in my life to show up to take it with. 
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
I have never taken bk-MDMA three days in a row and I would not think about doing such a thing as I have bad memories of very harsh comedowns from closely related chemicals.Ismene said:Well to be fair samadhi, I didn't recomend people do it - I stated my experience. I think you'll find lots of people who agree that methylone doesn't have the rough side-effects that MDMA does. There was also an experiment done in Austrailia where people were given massive doses and didn't notice any negative effects.
Have you found that taking methylone 3 days in a row leaves you massively depressed and suicidal?
PS. Kids, Listen to your Uncle Ismene and don't take methylone 3 days in a row
I do, however, feel wonderful the day after taking small doses of this drug (from 25mg, which definitely has a very positive moodlifting effect, to 95mg, which causes my eyes to have slight nystagmus and my mind-brain to swim in Love). I even feel good, mentally, after taking larger oral doses (155-195mg).
Mainly I feel tired the next day and am not productive (which is not necessarily a bad thing!).
All I know is what I feel backed up with scientific reports about the amounts of neurotransmitter these types of chemicals release.
I know enough to know that it is NOT HEALTHY to take bk-MDMA three days in a row, lest anyone think otherwise from your comments.
Peace and no Ill Will,
S_S
Ximot
Bluelighter
samadhi_smiles said:I'm thinking about taking this drug again, since it helped me open up to my emotional self last time I took it, I'm just waiting for the right person in my life to show up to take it with.
I'll take some with you, s~s
Regarding comedowns... occasionally M+ can result in fairly nasty headaches the next day, especially when combined with alcohol. But moodwise the comedown is nowhere near as bad as MDMA, which is really tough and can last for days. It's not actually the comedoen per se on MDMA that's bad, it's the aftermath... starting 2-3 days later and continuing for far too long sometimes.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Ximot, well I would love to spend an afternoon with you, with or without bk-MDMA.
Do you ever use any sorts of powerful antioxidants with MDxx type chemicals? I am going to do so from now on; I have usually taken a lot of vit C which apparently helps a lot, but I think some of the more exotic and powerful antioxidants could really get in there and 'clean house.'
Right now the going theory for MDxx neurotoxicity is that the body and brain temperature rises and renders the enzymes (catalases iirc) ineffective at metabolizing the breakdown products of MDxx's (hydro peroxide and other nasties)-
Using antioxidants in conjunction (at the tail end iirc) can drastically reduce neurotoxicity (at least in animal models).
Here's a study I think available on erowid: "Ascorbic Acid Prevents 3,4,-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA)- Induced Hydroxyl Radical Formation and the Behavioral and Neurochemical Consequences of the Depletion of Brain 5-HT"
Do you ever use any sorts of powerful antioxidants with MDxx type chemicals? I am going to do so from now on; I have usually taken a lot of vit C which apparently helps a lot, but I think some of the more exotic and powerful antioxidants could really get in there and 'clean house.'
Right now the going theory for MDxx neurotoxicity is that the body and brain temperature rises and renders the enzymes (catalases iirc) ineffective at metabolizing the breakdown products of MDxx's (hydro peroxide and other nasties)-
Using antioxidants in conjunction (at the tail end iirc) can drastically reduce neurotoxicity (at least in animal models).
Here's a study I think available on erowid: "Ascorbic Acid Prevents 3,4,-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA)- Induced Hydroxyl Radical Formation and the Behavioral and Neurochemical Consequences of the Depletion of Brain 5-HT"
Ximot
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http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...etion+of+Brain+5-HT"&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Does this suggest that there may be less depressed brain fog in the days following MDMA use? I use anti-oxydants when I remember... when I took MDMA last time it was 3am and I had had beer and MDAI before and it was ingested upon a whim and without anyti-oxidants. And I've felt crap all week this week, by and large, physically and mentally. Only just recovering really. And I know I probably won't touch MDMA till spring. *shudders*
Does this suggest that there may be less depressed brain fog in the days following MDMA use? I use anti-oxydants when I remember... when I took MDMA last time it was 3am and I had had beer and MDAI before and it was ingested upon a whim and without anyti-oxidants. And I've felt crap all week this week, by and large, physically and mentally. Only just recovering really. And I know I probably won't touch MDMA till spring. *shudders*
Methylone and me
Methylone and me
I believe myself to be one of the people in the world with the biggest “Methylone experience bank”.
Not only have I records of my own experiences, I have made it a lifestyle to gather information about others as well.
My first time
It is more than 2 years ago I tried it the first time, 31/6-05, I only ingested a dose at 150mg of 99,5% pure yellowish Methylon powder. That was the start of a whole new period in my life, from the first second of effect I knew that this drug had entered my life to stay.
I had tried all types of different mushrooms, amphetamine, 2c-B and 2c-I in small and in big doses but this was the first time I ever felt real euphoria, felt real alive. It was one of the biggest events of my life, and one that should change my life.
I was on a festival with my best friends, it was the second day, and I took out this package that a friend had send me, the others where quite exited, though a little afraid, what was this RC thing? Was it dangerous?
I remember it like was it yesterday, like this little kid getting the biggest present of his life, I opened it, it smelled weird, but still fantastic, like liquorice. I did not want my friends to try it before I was sure it was safe, so the others smoked some hash instead, while watching over me.
After ingesting it I waited, I was so exited, from what I had heard this drug should be fantastic, and after 20 min., I felt it, it WAS fantastic. The euphoria hit me like a truck, I was so overwhelmed by love that I had to say it to all my friends, and right about everyone I saw, the friends laughing because of the hash but still letting me know they felt the same.
One thing I remember especially well was about 1 and a half hour into the trip I wanted to make some hot chocolate, this going well until the water was boiling and I wanted to pour it in a cup, pouring it all over my hand instead making me drop the casserole and looking at my hand, it felt FANTASTIC, my hand was all red and burned but it really felt fantastic (Do not try this a home, it could be dangerous). It wasn’t until the day after I really could feel how burned it was, and then it hurt.
Became my life, my work
Anyway, that was the start of my life with methylone, pretty fast after that, it became a big part of my life. I almost stopped drinking and taking other drugs, every time I went to a party I took methylone, right about every weekend in big periods from then to now, sometimes taking a few weeks off, but almost every weekend. Sometimes telling myself that it was my job to test this drug, using that as an excuse.
The reasons I thought it was my job to test it; was that I gave it to my friends, and I even began selling this drug to people pretty fast (this not being a problem since its legal where I am from).
And people loved it, not only me, but everyone, this only making me like it more. But that also made my feeling of responsibility grow, or was it just a bad excuse?
At first I really thought it was a feeling of responsibility, but as my addiction kept growing and the use got bigger and bigger the feeling of something wrong kept coming, but I always pushed it away with the talk about “How could this be worse than others drinking every weekend?” or “Well, it’s the drug I have tried with the best hangovers!” or “I cannot sell it if I don’t even want to take it myself?”
I never felt bad about selling it, or giving it to my friends, I loved to feel their love when they used it, and I love to see people on methylone for the first time, the happy feeling, the almost overwhelming love they feel.
The uppers and the downers
One of the magic’s about this drug is that you can take it 3 days in a row, without upping your dose.
That is indeed a dangerous feed. That means that I could actually party Thursday, Friday, Saturday without feeling too bombed in school on Monday. And in the start I could even make homework Sunday. But as time went on, and I took it more and more, at some point I began to have the feeling of nothingness afterwards. Feeling of NOT wanting to do ANYTHING other than watch movies and sleep. This feeling would most often leave after a day or 2.
Another magic is that you can keep redosing for hours.
I could always redose in the start, actually I could always redose until lately, for 2 whole years of hardcore use I could redose as much and almost as long as I wanted to (bout 12 hours straight) and almost keep the same effect all the way trough.
There’s almost no tolerance build.
For 2 whole years I took it almost every weekend, often more than one day, and the dose only raised from 150mg to 250mg and I felt almost the same euphoria everytime.
But a few weeks ago, the tolerance finally hit me! I took the same amount as I always did, and nothing happened, after about 40min. I took the same dose again and almost nothing happened. I thought that this was just a onetime thing, and so I tried the week after, exactly the same happened, and the next week after again, I had at last felt the tolerance. Now I have to take about 500mg to really gain effect, and that’s not something I want, so I have stopped, but that’s a lot harder than I thought it would be, now I even want it in the working days, before I could wait for the weekend. I miss it.
The worst thing about methylone is the Amphetamin and MDMA like side effects.
Those being jaw tension, increased perspiration, loss of appetite, and a total kill of ones whole mouth.
Another bad thing is; the sometimes MDMA light like side effect of depression. It’s nothing like the depression I could get from MDMA, and in the start it wasn’t even there, but later on, after heavy use it sometimes came.
And of course “methylone brain” this being the state of mind where you cannot remember what you where just talking about, or wanting to say something while someone else talks and then forget about it when its your turn.
The experiences
On of my own favourite quotes would be; “You haven't tried something before you have tried it on methylone!” and I really lived by this quote sometimes, trying right about everything on methylon:
Masturbating (very nice, but hard to come),
Sex (very good, I can go on for hours, but again, hard to come),
Work (makes work fun, but concentration can be a problem),
Sleep (that’s hard? :S),
Tivoli (big Danish theme park, one of the best days of my life),
Swimming hall (this felt fantastic, especially the Jacuzzi),
Cinema (felt like commenting everything, hard to shut up),
Funny/sad/action/girl/scary movie at home (same as with cinema),
Driving (felt clear headed, but this was a bad idea!),
Playing games (Especially trivial pursuit is really fun on methylone, but games generally is),
Festival (2 years in a row, both times was fantastic),
All sorts of parties (my all-time favourite drug for partying),
Scoring (When I am on methylone I think I can score any girl, and that actually often works!)
Oral Use:
My all-time favourite administration route, this being easy (capsules) and gives a good long effect.
Nasal Use:
Tested it a lot of times, but never really liked it, the dose seems the same as oral dose which is a lot to snort, and if you do it wrong, and you can taste it, you can sometimes taste it for hours.
Rectal Use:
I have tested this 2 times, and it actually felt fantastic, I felt the effects much faster and much more intense than normally, and it worked for almost the same amount of time as oral dose.
Mixes
My all-time favourite methylone mix is methylone and keta; this giving the ultimate party trip and even the possibility of a very deep self exploring trip.
Some other things I like to mix with methylone is, coke (should always be taken AFTER methylone) alcohol (can give BAD hangovers), ghb, lsd, shrooms and 2c-x. Actually, if you ask me, methylone can make almost any other trip better.
My experience
Since I first took methylone I have tried a whole lot more, 2c-E, 2c-C, Coke, Ketamine, LSD, 5-meo-dipt, DOI, MDMA, Butylone, Salvia, GHB, Staying awake on Zolpidem (that’s fucking weird?) and properly some more, but none has even come close to follow methylone, at least not for me.
Everything has an end, even the best.
No matter how much I have always protested against this, I will have to admit that methylone has addiction potential. I guess everything good has?
Anyway now that I have stopped I can see how much I miss it when it isn’t there. But I really had to stop, I can’t live my life on drugs.
Altogether I think that this drug made me a better person, and I actually believed that I got a lot more out of it, than I lost, but how can I tell where I would be today without it?
I hope at least some of you can use this for something,
Love and methylone, Winta aka SL!
Methylone and me
I believe myself to be one of the people in the world with the biggest “Methylone experience bank”.
Not only have I records of my own experiences, I have made it a lifestyle to gather information about others as well.
My first time
It is more than 2 years ago I tried it the first time, 31/6-05, I only ingested a dose at 150mg of 99,5% pure yellowish Methylon powder. That was the start of a whole new period in my life, from the first second of effect I knew that this drug had entered my life to stay.
I had tried all types of different mushrooms, amphetamine, 2c-B and 2c-I in small and in big doses but this was the first time I ever felt real euphoria, felt real alive. It was one of the biggest events of my life, and one that should change my life.
I was on a festival with my best friends, it was the second day, and I took out this package that a friend had send me, the others where quite exited, though a little afraid, what was this RC thing? Was it dangerous?
I remember it like was it yesterday, like this little kid getting the biggest present of his life, I opened it, it smelled weird, but still fantastic, like liquorice. I did not want my friends to try it before I was sure it was safe, so the others smoked some hash instead, while watching over me.
After ingesting it I waited, I was so exited, from what I had heard this drug should be fantastic, and after 20 min., I felt it, it WAS fantastic. The euphoria hit me like a truck, I was so overwhelmed by love that I had to say it to all my friends, and right about everyone I saw, the friends laughing because of the hash but still letting me know they felt the same.
One thing I remember especially well was about 1 and a half hour into the trip I wanted to make some hot chocolate, this going well until the water was boiling and I wanted to pour it in a cup, pouring it all over my hand instead making me drop the casserole and looking at my hand, it felt FANTASTIC, my hand was all red and burned but it really felt fantastic (Do not try this a home, it could be dangerous). It wasn’t until the day after I really could feel how burned it was, and then it hurt.
Became my life, my work
Anyway, that was the start of my life with methylone, pretty fast after that, it became a big part of my life. I almost stopped drinking and taking other drugs, every time I went to a party I took methylone, right about every weekend in big periods from then to now, sometimes taking a few weeks off, but almost every weekend. Sometimes telling myself that it was my job to test this drug, using that as an excuse.
The reasons I thought it was my job to test it; was that I gave it to my friends, and I even began selling this drug to people pretty fast (this not being a problem since its legal where I am from).
And people loved it, not only me, but everyone, this only making me like it more. But that also made my feeling of responsibility grow, or was it just a bad excuse?
At first I really thought it was a feeling of responsibility, but as my addiction kept growing and the use got bigger and bigger the feeling of something wrong kept coming, but I always pushed it away with the talk about “How could this be worse than others drinking every weekend?” or “Well, it’s the drug I have tried with the best hangovers!” or “I cannot sell it if I don’t even want to take it myself?”
I never felt bad about selling it, or giving it to my friends, I loved to feel their love when they used it, and I love to see people on methylone for the first time, the happy feeling, the almost overwhelming love they feel.
The uppers and the downers
One of the magic’s about this drug is that you can take it 3 days in a row, without upping your dose.
That is indeed a dangerous feed. That means that I could actually party Thursday, Friday, Saturday without feeling too bombed in school on Monday. And in the start I could even make homework Sunday. But as time went on, and I took it more and more, at some point I began to have the feeling of nothingness afterwards. Feeling of NOT wanting to do ANYTHING other than watch movies and sleep. This feeling would most often leave after a day or 2.
Another magic is that you can keep redosing for hours.
I could always redose in the start, actually I could always redose until lately, for 2 whole years of hardcore use I could redose as much and almost as long as I wanted to (bout 12 hours straight) and almost keep the same effect all the way trough.
There’s almost no tolerance build.
For 2 whole years I took it almost every weekend, often more than one day, and the dose only raised from 150mg to 250mg and I felt almost the same euphoria everytime.
But a few weeks ago, the tolerance finally hit me! I took the same amount as I always did, and nothing happened, after about 40min. I took the same dose again and almost nothing happened. I thought that this was just a onetime thing, and so I tried the week after, exactly the same happened, and the next week after again, I had at last felt the tolerance. Now I have to take about 500mg to really gain effect, and that’s not something I want, so I have stopped, but that’s a lot harder than I thought it would be, now I even want it in the working days, before I could wait for the weekend. I miss it.
The worst thing about methylone is the Amphetamin and MDMA like side effects.
Those being jaw tension, increased perspiration, loss of appetite, and a total kill of ones whole mouth.
Another bad thing is; the sometimes MDMA light like side effect of depression. It’s nothing like the depression I could get from MDMA, and in the start it wasn’t even there, but later on, after heavy use it sometimes came.
And of course “methylone brain” this being the state of mind where you cannot remember what you where just talking about, or wanting to say something while someone else talks and then forget about it when its your turn.
The experiences
On of my own favourite quotes would be; “You haven't tried something before you have tried it on methylone!” and I really lived by this quote sometimes, trying right about everything on methylon:
Masturbating (very nice, but hard to come),
Sex (very good, I can go on for hours, but again, hard to come),
Work (makes work fun, but concentration can be a problem),
Sleep (that’s hard? :S),
Tivoli (big Danish theme park, one of the best days of my life),
Swimming hall (this felt fantastic, especially the Jacuzzi),
Cinema (felt like commenting everything, hard to shut up),
Funny/sad/action/girl/scary movie at home (same as with cinema),
Driving (felt clear headed, but this was a bad idea!),
Playing games (Especially trivial pursuit is really fun on methylone, but games generally is),
Festival (2 years in a row, both times was fantastic),
All sorts of parties (my all-time favourite drug for partying),
Scoring (When I am on methylone I think I can score any girl, and that actually often works!)
Oral Use:
My all-time favourite administration route, this being easy (capsules) and gives a good long effect.
Nasal Use:
Tested it a lot of times, but never really liked it, the dose seems the same as oral dose which is a lot to snort, and if you do it wrong, and you can taste it, you can sometimes taste it for hours.
Rectal Use:
I have tested this 2 times, and it actually felt fantastic, I felt the effects much faster and much more intense than normally, and it worked for almost the same amount of time as oral dose.
Mixes
My all-time favourite methylone mix is methylone and keta; this giving the ultimate party trip and even the possibility of a very deep self exploring trip.
Some other things I like to mix with methylone is, coke (should always be taken AFTER methylone) alcohol (can give BAD hangovers), ghb, lsd, shrooms and 2c-x. Actually, if you ask me, methylone can make almost any other trip better.
My experience
Since I first took methylone I have tried a whole lot more, 2c-E, 2c-C, Coke, Ketamine, LSD, 5-meo-dipt, DOI, MDMA, Butylone, Salvia, GHB, Staying awake on Zolpidem (that’s fucking weird?) and properly some more, but none has even come close to follow methylone, at least not for me.
Everything has an end, even the best.
No matter how much I have always protested against this, I will have to admit that methylone has addiction potential. I guess everything good has?
Anyway now that I have stopped I can see how much I miss it when it isn’t there. But I really had to stop, I can’t live my life on drugs.
Altogether I think that this drug made me a better person, and I actually believed that I got a lot more out of it, than I lost, but how can I tell where I would be today without it?
I hope at least some of you can use this for something,
Love and methylone, Winta aka SL!
Beenhead
Bluelight Crew
Though dangerous, thanks for the report, You need to name your threads in TR correctly please.
Substance Experience creative title
And this really isnt a trip report rather an overview of what you thought of Methylone, TR is for stories of single (or more) expeirences. How the night turned out, what you did that night.
Like tell us a story of a memorable experience on Methylone would be awesome. Though this is great info it belongs in the Big and Dandy Methylone thread
Mods Maybe go to the B&D thread------------------------>
Substance Experience creative title
And this really isnt a trip report rather an overview of what you thought of Methylone, TR is for stories of single (or more) expeirences. How the night turned out, what you did that night.
Like tell us a story of a memorable experience on Methylone would be awesome. Though this is great info it belongs in the Big and Dandy Methylone thread
Mods Maybe go to the B&D thread------------------------>
Dondante
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Thanks for the report! I think this belongs in TR. You should submit this to Erowid if you haven't already.
I'm glad you found the willpower to stop when you felt you needed to. Care to elaborate on long term effects or the experiences of others?
I'm glad you found the willpower to stop when you felt you needed to. Care to elaborate on long term effects or the experiences of others?
Youkai
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I too think it belongs in TR.Dondante said:
and it is well written and makes me want to try it again lol. But meh, it wasnt enough MDMA for me to realy dive in like you seem to have done. something you didntr ealy address was, did you ever noticed that UNLIKE MDMA where if you keep doing mroe you get TOTALY mashed, with methylone if you keep doing mroe you seem to not going any "deeper down the rabit hole"
Beenhead
Bluelight Crew
Well I thought it should go in the Big and Dandy thread because its like a tiny tiny report but a focus on what he thought of his time with methylone as a whole and not any one particular experience.
If the mods dont think it should go Big and Dandy swing it on back to TR and Ill name it accordingly
If the mods dont think it should go Big and Dandy swing it on back to TR and Ill name it accordingly
swilow
Bluelight Crew
Well, here it is, and I don't know how to split of individual posts so PLLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE don't ask me to, pleasepleaseplaese-please?
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
Okay then willow, I'll do it.
Actually I think it belongs here about equally as much as in Trip Reports. Hmm... let me think. In any case, it should be submitted to Erowid.
That's unusual... most people, myself included, feel that redosing is mostly pointless and just prolongs the stimulation. When I have methylone, I keep doing it anyway though. It certainly does have addiction potential.
Actually I think it belongs here about equally as much as in Trip Reports. Hmm... let me think. In any case, it should be submitted to Erowid.
Winta said:
That's unusual... most people, myself included, feel that redosing is mostly pointless and just prolongs the stimulation. When I have methylone, I keep doing it anyway though. It certainly does have addiction potential.
Thanks for the feedback, sorry i'm new to this place, so didnt really know what this TR was :D
I will submit it to Erowid, just wanted too see your guys reaction to it first, since my english really isnt that good :/
Pretty sad to have it in one big post post about methylone haha, wount be seen by many then :/
xorkoth, really? :O My friends and i can keep redosing for hours, often after the 12 hours where i go to beds, a few of my friends keeps redosing, and when i wake up the next morning, they are still redosing (tho they looked pretty sorry, they seem happy :D)
I will submit it to Erowid, just wanted too see your guys reaction to it first, since my english really isnt that good :/
Pretty sad to have it in one big post post about methylone haha, wount be seen by many then :/
xorkoth, really? :O My friends and i can keep redosing for hours, often after the 12 hours where i go to beds, a few of my friends keeps redosing, and when i wake up the next morning, they are still redosing (tho they looked pretty sorry, they seem happy :D)
cerebral_cortex
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that's strange winta, i noticed a tolerance buildup each successive time i did methylone. 1st time was amazing and euphoric, 2nd time was about 75% of that experience, 3rd time was about 50%, and so on until the last few times i tried it, the effects were next to nothing - not much more than a caffeine buzz or similar. This was with 2-3 weeks(or more) in between dosing also.
I ran out of m1 earlier this year and didn't really care as, like i said, it didn't seem to do anything for me anymore. But i recently came across a couple of doses and took some (about 175mg) last weekend, and it was almost equal to my 1st experience with it!!
I ran out of m1 earlier this year and didn't really care as, like i said, it didn't seem to do anything for me anymore. But i recently came across a couple of doses and took some (about 175mg) last weekend, and it was almost equal to my 1st experience with it!!
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