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The Big & Dandy aMT Thread (3rd incarnation)

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I've tried some searches but could not find an answer, so I'll ask my question here.

Unfortunately fall is coming again (at least here it is) and I suffer from some minor winter depression. During the darker and rainier days I tend to make to feel a bit blue every now and then. Today my mood was really shitty and as to not start scolding everyone who comes near me, I had to lock myself in my room, take some benzo's and smoke some pot. The shitty mood is gone, but I'm not gonna be able to do anything today in the sense of studying or just normal houswork. So I'd rather have something that I can take on those shitty days and still function normally without anyone noticing. Could aMT do such a thing for me?


Almost certainly - it does for me. Try just a small amount - 10mg or so - and see if that lifts you. You might need a wee bit more, depending on tolerance. But I've found it does for me exactly what you want it to do for you.

Mxx
 
I've tried some searches but could not find an answer, so I'll ask my question here.

Unfortunately fall is coming again (at least here it is) and I suffer from some minor winter depression. During the darker and rainier days I tend to make to feel a bit blue every now and then. Today my mood was really shitty and as to not start scolding everyone who comes near me, I had to lock myself in my room, take some benzo's and smoke some pot. The shitty mood is gone, but I'm not gonna be able to do anything today in the sense of studying or just normal houswork. So I'd rather have something that I can take on those shitty days and still function normally without anyone noticing. Could aMT do such a thing for me?

Kaaskoek, altough i agree with you that the weather we're having is utter shit, and it has been for the past two months straight, could the fact that you feel equally like shit be caused by your drug use? On the Other Drugs forum you said you've been on 25mgs Etizolam during the last few weeks. That's a lot.

If you really want to alleviate one mental state with another drug then i guess aMT could help. At least, minute amounts of aMT insufflated do lift my mood, and once a week is enough to keep it there. Think 2 or 3 mgs of aMT.

Good luck!
 
You'd probably be fine doing 2 - 3 mg of aMT insufflated per week for a few months. The thing is, aMT releases serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine pretty strongly. The fact that it was marketed in Russian decades ago as an anti-depressant doesn't mean much about it's long term effectiveness (it was Russia, a long time ago). Habitual use of monoamine releasers will deplete you and leave you worse off eventually. If you're just looking to blast out of slump for awhile, then certainly aMT will help you there. It seems to have comparatively little crash and negative after effects compared to something like MDMA, which works through similar pharmacological action. I would definitely recommend against using aMT long term, just like I would meth or MDMA (even in small doses). I'll also echo the suggestion that stopping using etizolam frequently will probably help. Using most any drug of significant strength daily or near daily, gabaergics included, is going to have diminishing returns, and often leaves you in a slump.
 
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on about 300mg i had way stronger visuals then i ever had with acid...just saying.( 2x 150 about 2 hours apart...)
i binged etizolam for 2 weeks and when i stopped i felt utterly depressed, with feelings of a nervous breakdown coming up and crying and stuff. well, i am not having more of that, the occasional benzo is great but i could not have that regular thing again.
 
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^300 mg is a ridiculous dose. I wonder if there's cut aMT going around because someone else just posted about using 150 mg of the HCl who was originally planning on using 200 mg along with a friend. It seems unlikely that three people would just happen to have outrageous natural tolerance to aMT in such quick succession. HCl is less potent by weight than freebase, but still only by 18 percent or so. He claimed to have 99 percent pure product, but claiming that potency is just a matter of typing it in or copying a legit chemical stats sheet. The only other plausible explanation is that you're all eating aMT or similar drugs such as 6-APB like fiends. Most who have pushed aMT doses consider 60 - 80 mg of freebase to be at the upper end of their dosage range. Maybe vendors are cutting it because they figure reckless customers are dosing based on eyeballed amounts of things like mephedrone or 6-APB, which people tend to take around 150 - 200 mg of, to make the amount look similar to what's familiar.
 
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Kaaskoek, altough i agree with you that the weather we're having is utter shit, and it has been for the past two months straight, could the fact that you feel equally like shit be caused by your drug use? On the Other Drugs forum you said you've been on 25mgs Etizolam during the last few weeks. That's a lot.

If you really want to alleviate one mental state with another drug then i guess aMT could help. At least, minute amounts of aMT insufflated do lift my mood, and once a week is enough to keep it there. Think 2 or 3 mgs of aMT.

Good luck!
First of all, thanks for the concern. I really appreciate that. And you're probably right, at least somewhat. The negative mood might have been because of my Etizolam use, although I did take about 4mg yesterday and woke up with a good/neutral mood today. But I've decided to put the Etizolam to rest for a while and reserve it for when I really need it, like after a stim binge.

That said, I do tend to get depressed easily during the fall and winter days. So it would comfort me to have something lying around that can lift my mood on one of those days when even getting out of bed feels like an impossible task. At the moment I'm in university and there are days that I just have to study because I can't afford to lie in bed all day. I guess I'll order a small amount and take it from there.
 
If winter's going to be like last year's winter, we're in for a rough ride my friend. So get your ass to the zonnebank and use aMT sparingly to get where you need to be so you can enjoy your studentenleven!
 
Yeah, I want to enjoy the shit out of it :) I placed an order with a trusted vendor. They only had 100mg left and I figured that I shouldn't order any more than that. That way maybe I'll choose to go to the zonnebank instead to save it up and I'll get a nice tan in the process ;)
 
Several months back I had 50mg which was far too much for me as I ended up having a bad trip (all though it was brilliant for 40% of the time). I then tried a 30mg pill in my house and it was really quite something. I ended staying up watching films all night feeling very laid back and euphoric. But it did seem to lack the psychedelic and speedy side from when I took a 50mg dose. I am off out tonight just going to a popular pub in town so I'll report back in 48 hours. I've prepared a 38mg capsule for tonight and it will be my first experience with other people around.
 
I do not own mg scales so I think I'm going to order one of those 30 mg pills. Would this be a good starting dose for me do you guys think? I'm very experienced with mushrooms and MDMA. I've been through a hell of a lot these last few months and don't want to trip to hard.
 
hi all. quick question. So I obtained 100mgs of aMT which I was planning on doing with a couple buddies at an upcoming Amon Tobin show then, circa T+6hrs, blasting off with some 5-meo-DMT after the show. There's 3 of us and 100mgs of aMT...is 33.33333mgs a proper dose for our first time? Packaging says 50mgs is perfect and I've seen several others in this thread say likewise and that below 50 can make for a rickety trip. Perhaps I should give them the 50mg doses of aMT to ensure they trip proper and dose myself some 2c-p? I really want to taste the aMT though.We are all experienced psychedelic/RC kids, but not yet with this compound.
 
HOT DAMN this is good stuff. Just had my first taste last night with a 40mg dose. I've heard a lot of negatives that had me kind of bracing myself for a rough, unfulfilling experience. Stuff like it feels toxic, it's too nauseating, too long and slow, too tense and stimulating, too shallow, etc. I got absolutely NONE of this. Maybe a bit of fleeting nausea during the first two hours, but it really wasn't much of anything bothersome. I was kind of expecting something I'd stop enjoying after a while and have to kind of ride out, but this was just a wonderful experience on every level. The bodyload was non-existent. No jaw or muscle tension to speak of, the only uncomfortable bit of it was a slight alternating feeling of hot and cold, but the fuzzy body high overrode that for the most part. The mood was nice and versatile, it's something that would work equally well for partying and deep introspection. Slow, steady, manageable come-up. Smooth peak. Gentle come-down. Amazing, unique visuals. A strong, warm, inviting sense of well-being. That organic, familiar-yet-alien tryptamine sensation. Strong sensory enhancement and a strong sense of openness and connectedness with others. And the stimulation really wasn't that powerful. It was more of an alertness that you could take or leave at any given moment, and by the time the comedown rolled around I felt like I could fall asleep whenever I wanted. I dosed with a friend and he had pretty much the exact same effects (and he's somebody that's very sensitive to nausea and bodyloads when it comes to drugs).

We spent the entire trip just sitting in the dark, listening to music and talking about the past, present, and future of our lives. We didn't plan it out this way at all, we just kind of went with the feel of the drug and that's what happened. We must have sat in the same exact spot for a good 12 hours, only getting up to use the bathroom or get a drink. And for such a simple night, it felt so right. It was completely satisfying and fulfilling to just sit there and exist and connect with each other. And the conversations we had and the things that we got off our chests made for a very therapeutic experience.

I can't fucking wait to try this stuff again at a slightly higher dose (maybe 50-60mg). If you haven't tried aMT, you owe it to yourself. I don't see how anybody could possibly see this as a "toxic" substance in any way, it was a very smooth, gentle experience all around. Kind of like a psychedelic tryptamine MDMA without the bodyload or harsh comedown. Fucking awesome stuff.
 
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✰hyperobjects✰;9983749 said:
hi all. quick question. So I obtained 100mgs of aMT which I was planning on doing with a couple buddies at an upcoming Amon Tobin show then, circa T+6hrs, blasting off with some 5-meo-DMT after the show. There's 3 of us and 100mgs of aMT...is 33.33333mgs a proper dose for our first time? Packaging says 50mgs is perfect and I've seen several others in this thread say likewise and that below 50 can make for a rickety trip. Perhaps I should give them the 50mg doses of aMT to ensure they trip proper and dose myself some 2c-p? I really want to taste the aMT though.We are all experienced psychedelic/RC kids, but not yet with this compound.

I've found that for me ideal oral doses of the freebase are in the range 50mg - 80mg. YMMWV, but while 30mgs will definitely be more than noticeable, and will give you a good taste of what it can do, for me anything less than 50mg or so is enough to get negative sidies like nausea, and a general loosely unpleasant moistness in the arse area ((( It rips through my guts every time. Talk about ring of fire. Dose up on Loperamide before starting with the AMT but even so still get stomach cramping and diarrhea. ))) without quite giving enough of the desired positive effects to compensate for them. It's just not quite there at that sort of dose.

You could always try chasing a starter dose if it's the freebase you've got. 10mg-ish smoked is plenty for me to get things kicked off, either drop the remainder or use for later smoked redoses as and when you feel the need. Some say the effects smoked are qualitively different to effects oral. I'm not sure. Certainly the euphoric aspect comes on faster and stronger, but the visuals and the serene, Zen-like introspections have both still tended to catch up later with the peak / plateau.


Styrofoam, that's pretty much it right there - sounds like you had a good one. :) Like you say it's definitely massively empathogenic as well as psychedelic, but in a gently relaxed, unforced kinda way at my ideal doses, as compared with, say, the pushier comparable empathic characteristics of MDMA. Very rewarding and therapeutic, the openness of it, and the way it opens you up to the simplest of pleasures, like just sitting and watching the sun come up over your garden with a dawn chorus for a soundtrack. It can have a seriously dark and brutal side to it that you need to be aware of too, especially for me at doses much above 100mg. There can be an almost overwhelming rush of thought as the come-up nears its peak that accelerates and accelerates, throwing out tangents in a confusing hard to follow way. Have found myself stuck in loops repeating the same behaviours trying to manage all the various elements of even quite simple tasks, or spiralling onto the same thought over and over with no way to break out. Usually it settles out as things level off, but on one occasion I was hospitalised under section for the night. Discovered wandering the streets stark-bollock naked demanding I be allowed to make some kind of Messianic televised address to the nation, and arrested for my own safety given the hostility building from an audience of drunken twats who didn't even have the good sense to recognise something clearly weren't right with me, and perhaps at that point I needed a bleedin' ambulance. Still, noone died, so all good fun in the end, and generally find it's a good one to think on. So long as I keep on the right side of the madness, I feel myself to be piercingly insightful, rational, and lucid, and have used that state to make a couple of key decisions in life I would probably have still got round to eventually all the sooner for it. Often that state lingers on for a few days afterwards, which can be massively useful, and I tend to feel as I've given the inside of my head a good airing out and a bit of of a dust, clearing away the cobwebs.
 
In my opinion this is no party drug. It was amazing last week when I tried it in my house just listening to music but it doesn't go well in a club. It made me feel very uncomfortable and I didn't enjoy dancing. I felt like I wanted to just smoke weed at my mates house just talking all night, it made me very laid back. On the other occasions I tried AMT I always had some weed, Etizolam and some MXE and it literally numbs the comedown for me. This time I didn't have anything and the comedown was very rough.
 
I'm pretty much back from my second trip with 60mg at this point. This stuff is fucking amazing. I tried pure powdered MDMA over the summer and was completely underwhelmed. aMT is everything I was expecting from MDMA with that heavy tryptamine feel thrown on top. It provides such a purely wonderful zest for life. I tripped with the same friend that I did last time, and we were planning to do something different to see a different side of the substance, but after the peak arrived we ended up in the exact same spot as before. In my room, in the dark, on the floor with music and pets, just completely content to be there in the experience and connect. We felt like we COULD enjoy going outside or watching a movie or something, but that seemed so unnecessary because it already felt so right. And we stayed there for 24 hours instead of 12 hours this time, ending the entire trip with a nice two or three hour nap.

The pure tactile sensorium was incredible at this dose. Everything felt SO FREAKING GOOD, it was like being on the edge of an orgasm throughout the entire peak. And you could just imagine something and practically feel it. We kept sitting around and thinking up impossible situations that would feel amazing. Like "dude, what if you were engulfed in a giant sea of kittens" or "what if you were gently floating down a river of warm melted chocolate". Then the idea would really hit you and tickle your brain just right and you'd be completely lost and reveling in the experience. And I swear you could just fucking FEEL your imagination.

The trip was a good 24 hours this time, but the length was not a bad thing at all. It's just a slow, long, gentle fade-out until you're left with nothing but the afterglow, which is like a brain fuzz but in a good way. Like your brain is fuzzing out all of the background bullshit and you're just really zoned in on what you want to focus on. It cuts down on your ability to multitask but you seem to get things done just as well and in a more mindful manner. This stuff has just been so wholly positive for me at this point, it's wonderful.

Thanks for the warning, Sepher. That sounds rough. I feel weary to go any higher than 60mg really. Like, I'd kind of like to see what 80mg is like, but 60 is just so powerful and fulfilling on it's own. It's like, why test it y'know? It's great where it is. Plus, the muscle tension was beginning to become a little more apparent to me at 60mg and I'm not sure that's something I want more of.
 
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You might have less muscle tension if you do more than just sit for *cough* 24 hours. With amt I usually end up really high well into the next day even with a good 4-5 hours sleep in between. I don't consider it afterglow either because my pupils are still huge. ;P
 
You might have less muscle tension if you do more than just sit for *cough* 24 hours. With amt I usually end up really high well into the next day even with a good 4-5 hours sleep in between. I don't consider it afterglow either because my pupils are still huge. ;P
Haha, we weren't literally stuck to the floor the entire time. There was a copious amount of rolling, stretching, playing with dogs, and pacing the room. But, I see what you mean. :P I seem to get some kind of afterglow for four or five days following. My pupils will usually be enlarged for half or most of the following day.
 
Styrofoam, try going for a wander next time. Outside is bloody lovely on it! :)

Clear night skies filled with stars seen through an AMT lens are beautiful beyond words. Sitting in a garden as the sun rises, flooding your visual field with light and warmth you can actually feel, dripping like syrup was incredible, and properly Zen-like. Easy to see why the ancients worshipped the sun as a God, seen and felt in that context, and genuinely magickal.

A warm summer afternoon out in the fields just watching horses playing about was as intense an experience as I've ever had on any drug, and I've done shitloads of 'em. Seemed to be intimately connected with it, as though we were both just sensory organs of a single universal mind experiencing through us what it is to be a horse frolicking under blue summer skies, and what it is to be a human being taking pleasure from it. Like I was an extension of something bigger than me, myself and I, and party to a larger mind outside of myself capable of comprehending the whole of it. Sounds barking mad probably, but it was a genuinely special experience.

Nice reports BTW. Difficult to accurately convey in words the feel of it, isn't it? I enjoyed reading them. And I wouldn't push it. No need for heroic doses with this stuff. Increased dose = increased intensity, obviously, but positive effects at 100mg are much the same as positive effects at 60-80mg. It doesn't get much better at higher doses all that much in my experience. Just get more in the way of sidies. I'll happily do 60-80mg orally, but no need for more than that. Think you've probably found your sweet spot. ;)
 
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