The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

[Solipsis]

It may be worth checking how you react to it because if you look closely at the poll of this thread, it is not the majority of people who get it and the effects of AMT can be really cool and worthwhile at low doses which probably minimizes your barfing odds.

 

[GreenMachine]

With all the NBOME's and DOx chems going around at cheap prices 5-meo-amt is the least of our worries. Besides 5-meo-amt is getting harder and harder to find due the fact that many don't like the effects.

i actually just tested some alex grey blotters with ehrlichs and medellin a week or two ago. came up for 5-MeO-AMT. i was surprised. the doses were pretty thick and by my guess almost a 1/3 x 1/3 inch.

 

[《Plasticity》]

^ There's always gonna be the occasional 5-meo-amt blotter, why? Because it fits on blotter, simple. However, I don't think there's any doubt that there are FAR more NBOMEs and DOX being passed off as L in todays market. Not saying people shouldn't be on the lookout for 5-meo-amt, I just don't see another widespread 5-meo-amt epidemic anytime soon with NBOMe being so damn cheap. Despite it's legal status in a few countries it's still very easy to source and costs pennies per dose in the case of 25c and 25i, both of which are closer to L in effects than 5-meo-amt.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I've obtained aMT for the first time since the year 2001. Back then it was a bit degraded rotten eggs stinking freebase, to trip correctly me and friends needed 75mg or so. Maybe we're hard-heads though.

This aMT HCL I have is gray. Is this normal?

 

[Phoenix_rising]

I really want to try AMT.From what i`ve read it sounds really very good,the only thing is the duration,is there any way to shorten duration?

 

[psood0nym]

^Yes, IM, IV, insufflate, or vaporize it.

 

[《Plasticity》]

^ in addition to psoodonyms post, you can also plug it. This brings the duration to 10-12 hours for me with a far less bodyload. Keep in mind that if you vape it the effects aren't as "complete" as other ROA's, many will agree with me on this as well. Vaping turns the trip speedy with little visuals and euphoria, not nearly as pleasant as other ROA's although it's by no means unpleasant, for me at least. Also, insufflation is not recomended, for the freebase at least, not sure about the HCL. Insufflation of aMT is said to leave a lasting intense burn and unpleasant taste and smell that lingers throughout the trip which just isn't worth the trouble.

@TRO yes, grey HCL is normal. Just keep in mind that you will likely need 20% more than your freebase dose. The stinkiest, worst freebase I've had was still at least 15% more potent than the best HCL I've had.

 

[psood0nym]

^The potency difference is reflective of the difference in molecular weight. I don't know why more HCl isn't sold. It's water soluble that way and more stable.

 

[《Plasticity》]

I'm aware of that, adding any salt to a base adds weight to some extent and I agree, freebase is a pain in the ass to prepare for alternate ROA's and the HCL doesn't smell nearly as bad. I'm more than willing to sacrifice the weight difference.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I don't know about IM or IV but aMT is always going to be at least a 10 hour time investment for the trip plus the few hours of coming down. I'd recommend setting aside 24 hours total if you're going to do it for the trip + recovery. And honestly that is how you should do psychedelics anyway. I got a lot more from them when I was able to set aside time for the experience + chill time than when I tried to squeeze them into free time here and there.

Smoked aMT is very much what I would imagine psychedelic speed to be like. It loses the magic entirely. And you still have a long come up when you smoke it compared to other substances.

aMT is such an oddball substance.

 

[《Plasticity》]

It's interesting how drastic the effects change between oral and vaping isn't it, I personally wouldn't even say you've had what aMT has to offer if you've only vaped it. I also agree that no matter what ROA you go for your gonna at least invest 10 hours into tripping. 24 hours is a good time frame but I found that I usually get away with around 15-18 hours invested, 10-12 hours tripping followed by a 6-8 hour nap. It's also amazing how refreshed I wake up sometimes even after a heavy session. However I do only plug aMT and benzo myself to sleep when the effects wear off so keep this in mind (whoever reads this post). An odd substance indeed, it's uniqueness makes it that much more interesting.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I wish I knew about benzos when I was using aMT back in 2003. Man... I'd be up for HOURS after I came down sometimes. Although I was still able to amuse myself long after the drug was gone.

But yeah, smoking it is completely different. It literally feels like you're speeding through life... Like everything just speeds up so much that it is as if you're moving quickly through a slow-moving world. Its hard to explain but it reminds me of F.E.A.R.'s Slow-Mo mode http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF01RwaqYcw

I agree though - if you've only smoked it, you haven't experienced the magic of aMT.

And yes, I agree about the aMT 6-8 hour nap. I never got around to plugging it but orally it was much the same in terms of nap time. That's one of the things that led to me doing it so much was the seeming lack of any negative consequences afterwards. I wouldn't dare do it now but back then I was so naive that I just wanted to feel good and trip balls and didn't care about anything else.

 

[Phoenix_rising]

Thats great info guys. Your right about setting aside the time to have a complete experience of AMT,but these days with a family it`s hard to find the time...I`ll have to send them off for a weekend break and have the house to myself lol. Someone invent a short duration AMT.

 

[《Plasticity》]

When I first started taking aMT I used benzos and opies very sparingly so I never really had em around for trips so I can definately relate to the sleepless nights. To top it off I only took aMT orally so I would usually have to devote 15-18 hours just for the trip, not including sleep time. Lol I remember the days where I would trip on a sunday evening and "wake up" after a practically sleepless night looking like a psycho with massive saucer pupils still slightly tripping only to go to school having everybody ask me "are you alright?" or "you don't look to well man, are you sick?". Hah I was more than alright, thanks to that great afterglow.

I used to think aMT was an exhausting drug orally but now that I plug I'm always wishing it would last longer, if only oral dosing came with the bodyload of plugged... aMT orally has always been an extremely violent 3 hour pukefest with the most uncomfortable temerature fluctuations and anxiety, not fun, however I still always found the trip worth it once the good effects dropped in to say hello which typically came right after the purge, similar to my single mescaline experience. In fact, I saw quite a bit of similarity between the two, perhaps because they both have that joyfull MDMA vibe while providing some nice eye candy, not to mention the guaranteed purge that makes you feel "cleansed".

Orally also induced some of the most intense psychedelic experiences I've ever had, I wonder if this is because my current tolerance or the fact that I was a dumbass highschooler who never weighed my product coupled with the fact that my first couple trips ever with aMT. I mean my first trip was rediculously intense, I saw portals open up in front of my eyes, fully 3D fractals overlaid every object, and I blacked out for like 6 hours with only a memory of flying through cities made of psychedelic structures, kinda like when you have a rediculously beatiful DMT breakthrough only to come back with nothing more than a few beautiful clips... I strongly suspect this was an overdose though as I ordered "50mgs" and bombed it without even weighing it, I was so irresponsible looking back that I feel disgusted sometimes. Anyways what I took had to have been well over 100mgs now that I have an idea of what 50mgs should look like. I'm curious to give it another go orally but I'm just getting to old for such taxing trips (says the young 20 yo ), my healing ulcers won't be too happy either. To top it off I have some questionable purity freebase which I'm sure will take pleasure in ripping my GI to shreds...

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I really want to try AMT.From what i`ve read it sounds really very good,the only thing is the duration,is there any way to shorten duration?

Snort/smoke it if freebase, check out the erowid page about it. Smoking compresses the trip into 5 hours certainly. Back a decade ago, I smoked smoke using the hot knive method for weed if you know what that is.Would mix some weed hits in my aMT bag, take them out when fully frosted and take hits this way, worked wonderfully with freebase. Unfortunately I won't get to do it this way this time.

 

[psood0nym]

Smoked aMT is very much what I would imagine psychedelic speed to be like. It loses the magic entirely. And you still have a long come up when you smoke it compared to other substances.

aMT is such an oddball substance.

If this is the general impression people get my guess is that heating aMT causes it to break down into some other active stimulant. IV aMT mostly just speeds up the onset (though it still takes ~an hour to plateau) so I don't see why vaporizing would alter the qualitative effects so much unless it's largely something else besides aMT that makes it to the brain. It would be interesting to maybe heat some aMT sealed air tight within some aluminum foil and run some simple regent tests to see if different colors come up.

 

[《Plasticity》]

@TRO 5 hours for vaped aMT is most definately not the norm, it's always lasted a good 8 hours minimum for me personally but most reports say around 10 hours. Then again it's up to you what you consider a duration is, some don't count the come-up and residual stimulation as part of the duration but either way one should not expect to be baseline by 5 hours, vaped aMT still takes a good 1.5 hours to peak for me.

@Psoodonym MK777 is right, vaping feels incredibly different than other ROA's. aMT does seem to be rather sensitive to degredation caused by heat, whether pyrolysis plays a role IDK but vaped aMT is nowhere near as magical as every other ROA.

 

[Torresmo]

Since I started reading posts about aMT I see people advising not to take it too late in the night, because you will be dead tired by the end of the trip. It is a pitty I never had the chance to follow this advice, because it is a really good one. I always suffer a lot on the day after an aMT trip. I guess not so much because of a lack of serotonin, like MDMA, but because my head gets veeeery tired of tripping for 12+ hours straight, after a long day.
Also, the best day to take aMT, IMO, is on friday! why? because I will still have the saturday to recover without being so bothered by the imminence of another working day...

 

[Morkin]

Also, the best day to take aMT, IMO, is on friday! why? because I will still have the saturday to recover without being so bothered by the imminence of another working day...

Great advice. Also best not to eat to lessen the chances of vomiting. Though once that stage is over, you're in for 12+ hours of beauty. (That said, not eating adds to the feeling of being tired the next day.)

 

[Solipsis]

I see there is some talk about this on page 1 but not exactly, so I'm just gonna ask:

if you tripped on a typical / classical psychedelic recently and have tolerance, will taking AMT be more empathogenic rather than trippy? Considering there is psychedelic action (which is diminished by tolerance) and reuptake inhibition / release of monoamines which should not be diminished by tolerance?

@Torresmo: I think I always fell asleep before the effects started to wind down whenever I took AMT in the past. But apparently that is highly unusual and also I don't take super high doses.