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The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

Do you get nauseous from AMT?

  • Yes, quite a bit / unusually so

    Votes: 37 25.0%
  • Yes, but only a little

    Votes: 55 37.2%
  • No

    Votes: 48 32.4%
  • Sometimes / Completely depends on whether it is salt or freebase

    Votes: 8 5.4%

  • Total voters
    148
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Captain, that sounds amazing.

You made me remember that the ONLY time I didn't have a panic attack with psilacetin was when I mixed it with AMT. Your visual description is what tipped off my memory about that experience. I remember I got a little bit anxious but we dosed like 20mg each and we had already mixed the AMT with DPT to boot.

My buddy and I ended up so messed up that we thought we could pull the universe apart and dove into the TV and both experienced watching the TV split into two as he pulled on the left and I pulled on the right... Insane trip. AMT, 5-MeO-AMT, and 2C-E are the only ones I've taken that consistently involve everyone in the same trip as long as they are at the same +++ level.

If I ever get my hands on this stuff again, I'll have to try the rectal route for sure!
 
Sounds like a hell of a time! This stuff alone is amazing in the right doses but it also makes A great foundation to form the best trips with the help of the right chems.I definately can't wait to push the doses higher. It was intense but I feel I've stumbled upon a realm that requires deeper exploration. I will raise my doses steadily until I find my sweet spot which I assume will be around 70mgs aMT plugged and 20mgs of potent psilacetin but I won't jump straight into that in fear of an unexpected potentiation.

Psilacetin alone does cause a pretty rough come-up but I'm usually dropped of into a mellow state that most 4-subs provide with the exception of 4-ho-det which just felt cold and uncomfortable all the way through. On this aMT trip the come-up felt more like a simple increase in the aMT effects. It was very smooth, almost like the intensity "dim switch" of aMT was slowly raised over an hour but the psilacetin dose was rather low. I must also mention that the more I take my 4-aco-dmt the more dark it gets, still enjoyable but I can see an inexperienced tripper slipping into a dark place but it just seems impossible with aMT. I'll find out for sure eventually as I have enough aMT for many combination experiments, albeit with a rather cautious approach as aMT doesn't seem to have the safety margin that other psychs do
 
Took 30mg of aMT orally about two weeks ago. It was definitely low dose MDMA-ish. Took 2 hours to come up and lasted about 10-12 hours. No visuals. Had little to no nausea, but I took some ginger before aMT, don't know if that helped. Didn't offer anything mindblowing with that kind of dose. I had took MDMA about a week before that so maybe that was the reason i didn't find the experience so good. If I ever get my hands on this again going to take 50-60mg.

Made me yawn a lot on the comeup, that's a tryptamine thing yeah?
 
Took 30mg of aMT orally about two weeks ago. It was definitely low dose MDMA-ish. Took 2 hours to come up and lasted about 10-12 hours. No visuals. Had little to no nausea, but I took some ginger before aMT, don't know if that helped. Didn't offer anything mindblowing with that kind of dose. I had took MDMA about a week before that so maybe that was the reason i didn't find the experience so good. If I ever get my hands on this again going to take 50-60mg.

Made me yawn a lot on the comeup, that's a tryptamine thing yeah?

30mg of aMT is actually pretty low. I wouldn't expect more but an extended duration roll but yes, rolling within a week or two of taking it can cause greatly diminished effects as aMT is a potent releaser and reuptake inhibitor of serotonin and dopamine which both get depleted by MDMA.

Yawning is not common. In fact, aMT has a speedy come up. Its the tryptamine version of amphetamine after all.
 
^ well neither one of us can speak on behalf of all the people can we ? :)

The 'speedy' thing isn't the thing here IMO because I've always assumed yawning on psychs was to do with air hunger or tension in the facial muscles, nothing to do with being tired.

I guess what we can agree on is : yawning on AMT certainly isnt freakishly weird or anything to worry about.
 
Yeah I can agree on that. lol.

Sorry, I'm a little bit argumentative today. Woke up on the wrong side of the message board.

Probably my fault :p

I yawn on every psychedelic I've yet taken, except 2C-P which I classify as "Psychedelic meth" (I made this classification before even trying meth and after trying meth I still agree. In fact, 2C-P is a better stimulant). I also never yawned with strong hawaiian woodrose seeds, but with weak ones I couldn't stop.
 
Probably my fault :p

I yawn on every psychedelic I've yet taken, except 2C-P which I classify as "Psychedelic meth" (I made this classification before even trying meth and after trying meth I still agree. In fact, 2C-P is a better stimulant). I also never yawned with strong hawaiian woodrose seeds, but with weak ones I couldn't stop.

I yawn when I'm sober. lol

And yeah, fuck 2C-P. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. Vendor sent me 2C-P instead of 2C-E.
 
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Vendor sent me 2C-P instead of 2C-E.

Jesus, I hope it was at least labeled as 2c-p

T+0 hours: Anyways 60mgs up the poop shoot, wait til it levels off then add some psilacetin.

T+1 hour: Im feeling like shit! Completely in line with my oral excursions only withoit the violent heaving. I'm starting to think plugging isn't a sure-fire way to a bodyload free trip like I thought. One things for sure. This drug is extremely unpredictable, I'm already starting to trip hard and it's only been an hour unlike last time where I didn't feel anything til T+1:30 mins.

T+ 1 1/2 hours: bodyload is almost completely gone. Starting to trip nicely, not nearly as smooth as my previous experience but enjoyable now none the less. Increased depth to music, massively dilated pupils, some minor jaw tension, nystagmus. I'd still prefer plugging to oral as I would have been puking my guts out if I would've went the oral route.

T+ 2 hours: Meh, I'm tripping but I'm not satisfied, which I expected but as stated in previous posts instead of diving head first I'll get a feel for the substance instead of dosing extreme amounts. Ive got plenty of time and material to experiment with and only one life. I will wait an hour and a half and add some 4-aco. Bodyload is completely gone and I'm in that familiar mellow state. Music isn't as "in your face" euphoric as MDMA but music is DEEP. I prefer aMT's way of altering the perceptions of sound than that of the forcefull euphoria of MDMA.

T+ 3 hours: I'm definately peaking on the aMT, feeling kinda dissociated. Beautiful OEV's and CEV's, very coloful. MDMA type rushes up my spine and music appreciation. I'm gonna ride this out for another 2 hours before I even think about adding psilacetin.

T+ 5 1/2 hours: Okay wow, I was NOT expecting to trip this hard. I'm coming out of my peak but from about T+ 3 1/2 hours til T+5 hours I was completely overwhelmed. Extreme time dilation, I was writhing in complete pleasure. I think I am on my descent but still higher than the clouds. When walking my dogs around the block I felt like a total schizophrenic lurking the city at nigh, A cat on the prowl lol. One look at my face and you'd have to agree that I was crazy. Visuals dying down a tad but not too muchh, I'm still completely satisfied and have yet to add the psilacetin and I doubt I will. I'm feelin better than all my MDMA experiences combined. I mean even with no music or lights all I could do was stretch and feel COMPLETE pleasure. I have a slight headache now but its manageable. I still feel amazing

T+ 7 hours: still going strong, visuals are definately on the decline but as for the body rushes, their still as intense as ever. Headache is getting annoying but still manageable. Feeling rather stimulated, I have a feeling I'm not gonna be sleeping anytime soon. So far this has been my favorite aMT trip to date, I was completely swept off my feet during the peak.

T+ 9 hours: body high is still great but I'm feeling very jittery and speedy so I took my normal dose(8 1/2 grams) of kratom to smooth things up a bit. Visuals are for the most part gone and what I'm left with is identical to MDMA in that there is a great physical body rush and stimulation but no real psychedelic effects.

T+10 hours: kratom is kickin in nicely and is definately smoothing things out. Still some residual jitters but for the most part we're sailing smoothly. When it comes time to sleep, which most likely won't be for at least another 3-4 hours I'll pop a couple etizolam. One thing is for sure though, aMT is VERY unpredictable. I mean all my aMT trips vary significantly. Especially when I compare this experience to my previous experience... almost like two different drugs. Make sure you have at least 24 hours of free time when you trip as it can last a mere 5 hours(my second trip at 50 mgs oral) or 18 hours(my first trip at "40"mgs).

T+12 hours: I think I've had my fun, 2 etiz down the hatch.

T+14 hours: I drifted off around this time without a single struggle.

T+20 hours: I awoke ready to take on the world, I love the anti-depressant qualities of this drug... a definate favorite for me. It always had a place.in my heart being my first.couple trips a while back, and while I never tripped.as hard as my very first trip, this trip is still my favorite. During my first trip I took the vendors word on the weight and I'm guesing they decided to give me a lil extra and the dose was probably way more than 50mgs as I blacked out for about six hours. Still a complete.blast though aMT is very friendly. When in my bathroom the tiles would form creepy faces and even demon like faces but there is NO fear to be found...anywhere. it's like a bad trip is impossible IMO. Tis was a great night and I think I will become a weekly visitor to this new dimensiom
 
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Hi. I'm interested in strictly therapeutic/anti-depresive usage of aMT... maybe someone with long-term experience can help?
The things I want to know:
- How fast the tolerance grows, can you describe the the tolerance curve (e .g. "after two weeks of daily usage of xx mg, I needed to double the dose to get initial effects")
- Are there some physical/mental (especially cognitive) deficiencies after long-term usage of aMT?
- Does it negatively influence libido/sexual function?
- Any thoughts on cross-tolerance (not necessarily with other psychedelics)?
- most pronounced positive/negative effects?

The answers will seriously help me out, I'm thinking about buying enough aMT and starting using it therapeutically,with notes, periodic medical tests...
Other people with same thoughts may benefit as well, so thanks in advance.
 
35-40 mg is a good dose IMO. 60 mg was an intense experience. This was brownish aMT and it stunk to high hell, uncut and high purity. I think 100 mg may be a little intense if it is similar substance to the aMT I am describing. Have had white aMT (salt apparently), seemed a little cut, with 50 mg producing a 35 mg dose of the brown stuff. I've also had the white (uncut) that was dosed at 40 mg with similar intensity to the brown.

Pasht: as for therapy related aMT dosages the Russians used it as an antidepressant for almost 2 decades. I'm sure there is plenty of literature published if you use google scholar and look for aMT related journal publications. :) 5 mg was the dose used for antidepressant effects your not wanting to take enough to trip if using it for this purpose.
 
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If your experienced with psychedelics start off around 40-45mgs tops. If your not 35 mgs is A good place to start. 60mgs plugged was one of my top.three intense psychedelic experiemces ever and I trip quite frequently and have for some time. During the peak it was VERY overwhelming and I started to worry as I had a fever, I was sweaty but cold, confused, and dissociated and I can't imaging an inexperiences tripper handling themselves very well. As for your white aMT, it was most likely the HCL which is weaker than the orange/brown freebase so it probably wasn't cut. I reccomend plugging the dose also. The bodyload at 50mgs plugged was virtually non existant. While the same can't be said for the 60 mg dose I was only sick for about 45 mins to an hour which is alot better than than the two hours of sickness with oral, I also didn't puke. Any oral dose over 30mgs orally and I'm guaranteed to puke my guts out.
 
What's considered to be an average and a strong oral dose of aMT?
I'm thinking around 60mg for an average dose and around 100mg for a strong dose?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

That is exactly right (for me & perhaps for you).
If I want a good, colourful trip, I gelcap 100mgs on an empty stomach. Be prepared to puke about 30min in. For me it is quick and to the point puking & once it is over, you have 12 hours of lovely colour (& then about 4 hours come down).
 
If your experienced with psychedelics start off around 40-45mgs tops. If your not 35 mgs is A good place to start. 60mgs plugged was one of my top.three intense psychedelic experiemces ever and I trip quite frequently and have for some time. During the peak it was VERY overwhelming and I started to worry as I had a fever, I was sweaty but cold, confused, and dissociated and I can't imaging an inexperiences tripper handling themselves very well. As for your white aMT, it was most likely the HCL which is weaker than the orange/brown freebase so it probably wasn't cut. I reccomend plugging the dose also. The bodyload at 50mgs plugged was virtually non existant. While the same can't be said for the 60 mg dose I was only sick for about 45 mins to an hour which is alot better than than the two hours of sickness with oral, I also didn't puke. Any oral dose over 30mgs orally and I'm guaranteed to puke my guts out.
 
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I awoke ready to take on the world, I love the anti-depressant qualities of this drug...

Personally, I have never experienced this quality, but then again, I do have a depressive disorder, but then again then again, aren't anti-depressants supposed to do something about that..? Nevermind, lovely trips.
 
Personally, I have never experienced this quality, but then again, I do have a depressive disorder, but then again then again, aren't anti-depressants supposed to do something about that..? Nevermind, lovely trips.

Do you get depressed with aMT only? I personally get the same refreshed feeling with all psychedelic but I remember when I would have the occasion 18 hour trip(my trips on aMT are very random but my average trip duration is 10-12 hours) I would not feel so great, I think it has to do with lack of sleep and/or not eating and for that reason I take aMT around 2pm so I can still get a good nights rest.
 
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