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The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

Do you get nauseous from AMT?

  • Yes, quite a bit / unusually so

    Votes: 37 25.0%
  • Yes, but only a little

    Votes: 55 37.2%
  • No

    Votes: 48 32.4%
  • Sometimes / Completely depends on whether it is salt or freebase

    Votes: 8 5.4%

  • Total voters
    148
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personally i find rectal to be much much much stronger, the bodyload, the lethargy, everything. The differences between 60mg rectal and oral, oh my. I honestly don't think you can go much beyond 60mg rectal for better effects. Oral seems to be a bit speedier and less psychedelic, but that's probably just difference in dosing. Still got a hefty comeup, friends are normally around 1h30. I'm around 50mins but seem to be an anomaly. I have never chundered on the comeup of a drug, but amt oral I was pretty close.

Dosage wise, try 20mg. Maybe slightly more. Oral tends to be 30%ish bioav. I think whereas rectal is closer to 60%.
 
So your saying the bodyload is worst rectal than oral? Please explain your definition of bodyload. Thts the first time I have heard that, maybe its just because you didn't lower your dose to compensate for the difference in bioavailability... or perhaps its because there is no purging mechanism with the rectal roa. Every comeup on AMT is the same. I eat it, 30mins later i feel slighltly anxious, 45mins after that i feel like im having a light panic attack with a high fever, then at 1 hour to 1 1/2 hours later im on the floor of my bathroom violently heaving my guts out til their is nothing left but after that all is well. I would continue dosing orally but I am tired of the puke fest and I have ulcers so I wanna do whatever i can not to irritate them cuz staring at bloody vomit while tripping is a sure fire way to an unpleasant trip. When Saturday comes I'll go with 30mgs plugged. How long must I keep the solution up the bum? Also does it burn? Vinegar is NOT meant to be shot up your ass with an oral syringe lol.
 
Hey captain! Yes plugging is a good way to take aMT. I found it reduces the side effects, you come up faster (1 hour or so) the plateau is the same and you come down faster. Well worth plugging aMT. I found ~45mg of freebase orally to be my sweet spot as well. When i plugged 45mg it seemed slightly stronger but not too much different, I will not take it orally again and would plug 45mg again. If you look through the old aMT big and dandys, Xorkoth talks about plugging it a bit i believe. He does have a trip report about amt on https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=64003.

You only need to plug 1 to 5 mls of solution for it to be effective. Mix the water and aMT and acid and it should all dissolve. Also make sure to poop well before you plug it.

Good luck!
 
Thanks for the info :) looks like i'll be plugging 35mgs. Just one more question, how long do I have to hold the solution in? Will it just dissolve eventually? When i plugged 2ci it was pretty irritating and I had to shit it out after an hour, but then again I just stuck the whole capsule up my ass, still tripped nicely though. Im guessing AMT wont be nearly as irritating though cuz 2c's are notoriously caustic, especially snorted...omg tht was the WORST pain ever lol. I've also got a lil spare time so I'll read through this thread some more along with xorkoth's trip reports.

EDIT: Off topic from my original question but I wanted to share a VERY weird experince I had with AMT. So about 5 or 6 years ago I purchased AMT as my first trip, it was the most amazing trip I have ever had, stronger than any other psychedelic experience I've ever had to date and trust me I've had too many to count since then from various 2c's to shrooms to 5 and 4 sub tryptamines. I purchased 50 mg and dosed 4/5ths of it so about 40 mgs bur then again after experimenting further I concluded tht it had to be more than that although it was my first exp so maybe tht explains why I tripped so hard. Anyways i was tripping for about 17 hours laying in my bed goin in and out of conciousness in the most pleasurable way possible. There was a period of about 5 hours that all I remember is clips of visuals. I remember hovering over a city made of structures almost exactly like the ones described within the first 30 seconds of this documentary http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c4FaDMak-TQ so much i had a sort of "flashback" when i watched this documentary. Only difference is that they were all gray with a neon green outline, they were solid not transparent, and i was gliding over the city with a birdseye view. I think you get the point, it was amazing

Now to my second experience. Two weeks later i ordered the same 50mgs and recieved the exact same substance. Looked, smelled, and tasted the same. I took all 50mgs only this trip lasted a mere 5-6 hours!! It was very similar only i was fully concious this time and it seemed a little less intense. Has anyone had a similar experience? I mean I was FULLY back to baseline in tht 5-6 hours. I took it at 4 and was in bed by 11 or 12, sleep was un-imaginable during my first trip for at least 14 hours and even then it would be quite the feat.I couldn't believe it would even be possible for an AMT trip to last such a short time. Explanations?? It was three weeks after my first experience so tolerance wasn't an issue and to this day I haven't had any AMT trips shorter than 10 hours.
 
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Im guessing it should dissolve relatively quick. I laid on my stomach for 10 to 20 minutes and it all dissovled. There is probably a little bit more info in here http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...ndy-Guide-to-Rectal-Administration-(Plugging). It shouldnt burn too much.

Hehe, i tried the same thing with 2c-e in a gel cap. A bit uncomfortable and it didnt cleanly dissolve. Plugging is way less painful than snorting 2c's for sure.

Set and setting could have played a part in the short amt experience. Ive had trips that werent too powerful with one amount and then taken less in a different set and setting and been rocked. Could you maybe have gotten some different material? Hard to say if you dont have an analytical way to test it though.
 
Sounds good, I'll try and keep it in until completely dissolved. Tell me about it, I'd way rather have 2c in my ass then up my nose as funny as that would sound to someone who has never snorted a 2c. Regarding the trip it was in the same set and setting(in my room and in an extremely excited happy mood) only I had an idea of what I was getting myself into and I repeat, there is no doubt in my mind it was the same substance, all AMT I have recieved has always looked the same. An orange to tan course, rough powder with a distinct smell and taste. Also, the experience was extremely simlar, AMT's trip is very distinct and I would without a doubt be able to identify it in a blind study. I know there's no way to explain it but I'm just wondering if anyone has had a similar super short trip. The comeup on the second trip was definately more intense so i know I took more this time than my first time.
 
I think eating went well. Initial nausea was removed thanks to cannabis, and about 5 hours after the initial dose I was able to eat two chocolate Aero bars and drink a can of Rockstar. Needless to say, the best chocolate and energy drink experience of my life.
 
I'd avoid beta blockers on AMT!

Beta blockers are a no-no on vasoconstrictive adrenergic stimulants, due to a paradoxical vasoconstriction effect when there is a large amount of circulating (nor)adrenaline in the body, and one blocks the beta-adrenoreceptors. The (nor)adrenaline has nowhere left to go, but alpha receptors, which causes significant vasoconstriction.

I've been hearing a lot about this lately. Personally I can't stand the feeling of beta blockers so I have never kept them around nor used them - good to know about this issue with them.

What about using an alpha receptor blocker like clonidine? That stuff has been a godsend for me when I was in the hospital in benzo withdrawal but I've never considered using it to combat vasoconstriction from drugs. I usually just deal with it or shut it down with benzos or alcohol (which I know isn't recommended either but this was a few years ago and I've grown up since then)

As for aMT, it surprises me how many of you overseas love this stuff. I'm a huge fan of it as well and absolutely loved it, even with the bodyload it was totally worth it for the experience and it was the first real psychedelic I ever had. Not many people this side of the pond enjoyed it though and I never really understood how you couldn't. The bodyload to me (other than the nausea coming up at times) was no worse than acid and the intoxication was much better than a candyflip. Its just a curious observation.
 
I don't/can't eat until the trip has fully subsided. I have to force myself much like amphetamines.
 
I'm one of the people who get A SEVERE bodyload and I still love this stuff :) It was too my first real psych(besides getting dosed a 2c as molly, although the dealer is an asshole for doing that I thoroughly enjoyed it) and aMT will always have a place in my heart. The euphoria, the long lasting duration, the relaxed easy-going headspace, and the beautiful vivid stained glass fractals that sit on top of my visual field along with colorful defined 3D visuals are better than sex! On my second trip I litterally watched a portal ofen up in my room followed by 3D cubes flying out! I mean I could walk a circle around these cubes and see all sides as if it really existed.

I was gonna trip yesterday but by the time I got my freebase to dissolve for plugging I wasn't even feeling it anymore so I threw the syringe with 40mgs in the freezer. Im gonna trip today for sure though so I'll let you guys know how it works out, this will be my first time plugging aMT so I'll compare bodyloads. It appears some of the solution dripped out of the syringe while in the freezer so once my solution defrosts I'll add another 5 mgs to compensate. Is aMT really a vasoconstrictor? I never noticed any and I as well can eat just fine once I get through the rough come-up. I don't think I've noticed vasoconstriction from any tryptamine besides ergoloids, anyways wish me luck!
 
I never found aMT particularly vasoconstrictive either. Certainly nothing in the range of even methylone. I also liked the fact that aMT never really seemed to cause a significant heart rate increase even though it was most definitely a psychedelic speed experience. Especially smoked. Wow.

I didn't get the crazy OEVs with aMT unless I was on a high dose or I was on it around someone who did get them but the patterning was cool and when everything started flowing like liquid I went straight into my first true ++++ experience. I used to love watching pictures come to life and it was trippy as hell living in a house with nothing but oak flooring with rugs on it here and there for the furniture. If not dizzying because the grain pattern was alternated from one panel to the next and the flowing always followed the grain.

I miss aMT terribly. And the afterglow that lasted for weeks after the experience was always a huge boon. I used to have severe depression issues and I found that high dose aMT killed my depression for a good 2-4 weeks after a high dose.

I've never plugged it but I thought you needed to turn the base into a salt first before plugging it?

I was fortunate in that when I was doing aMT we had both freebase and HCl readily available domestically but I had never plugged anything at that point in my tripping career.
 
Well the only time I got intense visuals were my first two trips with the stuff which were my first two trips ever. This is gonna be my first aMT trip in years so visuals may understandably be weak with my mid level tolerance but thats fine with me as visuals are'nt what make or break a trip. Yes you also must convert it if you have the base. I did that with a couple drops of vinegar(acetic acid) to my solution, even then I was trying to get it to dissolve with as little vinegar as possible to prevent a caustic asshole lol.

Anyways 40mgs went up the bum 30 mins ago and my heart rate is definately increased which isn't unusual for the come-up. I'm also feeling a little feverish but im sure it will level itself out. I can definately feel that this come-up is gonna be alot smoother than my oral adventures. If this adventure proves underwhelming ill add about 5-7mgs 4-aco-dmt to spice things up. Btw you mention benzos as a vasodialator, is that true? I know alcohol is but I never knew the same applied to benzos, thats good to know as I always have etiz around and I hate alcohol. I do tend to notice VC with alot of the phens I got lying around so a half etiz would be better than a 12oz.

EDIT: anybody smoke 5-meo-dalt on aMT? I'm aware of the SS and MAOI dangers but my aMT dose is rather low and I've read reports of people getting away with far more reckless combo's not to say that because it's been done with no problems before that its safe.
 
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Benzos can be vasodilators but I'm not sure about etizolam and alcohol is only vasodilator at lower levels, high levels are actually vasoconstrictive. Benzos are almost universally useful for calming down from a stimulant bender though so its always good to keep them on hand. They also remove the rough edges from some psychedelics but others they kill (LSD is a pretty good example).

I didn't notice any effect with benzos and aMT though just FYI. It overpowers them entirely in my experience. Alcohol really shouldn't even be a thought with aMT.

40mgs should give you a strong trip if its anything like snorting the stuff... It doesn't really seem to matter what RoA aMT is administered in either, its always a long trip. Enjoy!
 
It's been an hour and 45 mins and I'm very underwhelmed :/ I know its only been a short time but I was under the impression that with rectal the come-up is an hour for near full effects, im thinking of redosing 15mgs but to errr on the side of caution ill give it another hour. Quality of said aMT was questionable to begin with so I'm not surprised but so far no visuals with eyes open or closed and very little euphoria, only a spacey type vibe. I must say though the come-up was incredibly smooth and as soon as said bp issues arrived they vanished and now im left in a pretty peaceful state with saucers for pupils. It actually kinda feels like a trippy benzo which is not what I'm aiming for or what I remember it feeling like at all so either quality is shit or its in fact not even aMT although I doubt it cuz it looks and smells the same as other batches and tbh, fakers would have a hard time trying to recreate the smell of aMT, absolutely putrid.

Of course alcohol will NOT be consumed for many reasons besides the physical dangers with aMT being an MAOI (although I suspect a very weak one) such as increased dehydration, hangover, increased body temp... all that good stuff. I must say I remember 40mgs oral alot stronger than this but then again that was years ago and I've definately got more experience on my hands since that time. I must add though, I am physically addicted to kratom so I will be forced to take maintenence doses through out the experience and plan on taking a full dose on the comedown, should this pose any risks?
 
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I don't know a lot about kratom but I don't think it has any contraindications with MAOIs, I would double check that though.

Sorry that its not doing much for you - but remember that even smoking the stuff it can still take hours to come up. Its weird like that. The longest it ever took me to come up was 2 1/2 hours with aMT and also remember it has two stages - the early stimulated stage and then the trip plateau.
 
Yeah I ended up dosing another 10mgs rectally and now im where I wanna be. It definately takes longer than an hour to peak for me so don't take xorkoths erowid aMT overview as gospel. Its very empathogenic and mellow. The thing with rectal is that it totally skips the stimulatory part and leaves a more grounded completely body load free trip than oral. It's now very reminiscant of a 4-sub tryptamine with not so many visuals. Very interesting and different than my previous experiments. I would've compared it to 75mics LSD and 85mgs MDMA but this time it feels more like .5 of some decent/strong cubes and 70mgs MDMA. Far more mellow and not so stimmy, definately far from that awake and alertness that I remember.

If it ever makes its way into your lap again give rectal a shot, I won't ever go back. Another interesting thing is that by now I'd be withdrawling pretty bad from the kratom but I feel NO withdrawals. Ima ride it out and see how long I can go without withdrawaling, perhaps I could use this as a tool to quit? If aMT had a deeper headspace I probably would have more drive to quit but for now this will just be an experiment. I will also more than likely add that 4-aco-dmt dose to step things up a bit.
 
I didn't imagine that plugging it was going to hit any faster than orally, nasally, or smoking. I wonder why it takes so long no matter the RoA - there has to be a scientific reason for it. Its beyond my limited scope.

I'm glad you're enjoying it though. Keep me posting if it always removes the stimmy nature because if it does, then should I ever come across it again (which isn't likely but you never know) I'll be much more inclined to do it again. It was my favorite psychedelic until I had mescaline HCl. Mescaline took the cake because it has less of a bodyload (after the nausea passed of course) and was more visual and just flat out profound every time I did it but if the first 2 or 3 hours of stimulation are gone from aMT, it would be a tough call!
 
Yeah there is absolutely no stimulation or bodyload at all. It's a whole other beast when plugged. Ill start off plugging 60mgs next time as there is NO urge to puke, feverish feeling, stimulation etc at all. Anyways i felt things needed a "helping hand" so i went ahead and dosed 8mgs 4-aco-dmt and needless to say I'm fryin pretty hard, its hard to type on my phone. The aMT and psilacetin have such a strong synergy that they are now one amazing beautiful drug. I figured this as the aMT alone was feeling very 4-sub'ish on its own. Anyways I'm havin a blast, a very earthy, positive trip. Oh and the kratom withdrawals did finally kick in but they were very much more managable than sober. I shot down a gram and a half of kratom and within 30 mins I felt more "at rest". I don't ever wanna come down lol so I'm guessing when I do there will be that "come and gone so fast" feeling that MDMA tends to bring. Anyways I'll definately keep you updated and when sober will write a more thorough overview.
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NEXT DAY OVERVIEW: As promised I'll go over my trip a bit more. Set and setting was my house alone with the gf gone for the weekend and an absolutely positive mindset, excited to experience the chem that started my love for psychedelics. Lemme say this trip made my love for aMT grow even higher and It is now in my top two psychedelics. What I said about plugging couldn't be more true, its truely a magical beast of its own. Before I wasn't able to push the dose due to the fact that even an extra 10mgs would multiply the bodyload by 2 but with plugging their is NO limit(within reason of course) to where this chem can take you. I mean the worst thing I experience was a mere 10min heartrate increase during the comeup and some jaw clenching which was solved by magnesium citrate. This chem makes it pretty close to impossible to have a bad trip which is good but also means it's lacking a deep headspace but its good for when you just wanna have some great fun, sort of like the MDMA of tryptamines but still a real psychedelic

As for my trip I planned on keeping a timeline of events but only managed to keep track of dosing schedules. First I started off with 40 mgs plugged at 3:15 pm and within 30mins I felt the first alerts, a mild increase in HR and BP and an excited feeling. Within an hour and a half it was in full swing but It was just so much more calming and relaxing and without hesitation I plugged another 10 mgs at 5:10 pm, no sting or discomfort from the vinegar whatsoever which was a pleasant surprise. About an hour or so from then I was in a magical place, very reminiscant of a hippy flip, beautiful but fairly mild OEV's and CEV's which were VERY mechanical and colorful, reminiscant of DMT visuals. At this point I was at a low/medium +++. It was overwhelmingly positive and I couldn't wipe the smile on my face. I probably looked like a total maniac schizo but boy on the inside I was full of love and joy. aMT is very euphoric and music sounded AMAZING like a remember, I would hear sounds in song that I never heard sober. I felt that this laidback beautiful chem would combine well with psilacetin so I dosed 8mgs at 8:00 pm so it would add to the experience but not drown out the aMT.

Let me say I couldn't be more on the money, these chems synergized like no other and this combo is now my favorite feel good combo ever, hands down no competition. At 9:00 or so I began to feel the psilacetin kick in and the visuals were AMAZING. When staring at a tv all the colors blended to form a colorful, cartoonish vibe and everything was hilarious whether it was meant to be or not. I stared at a calender that has a picture of a baby and a dog and I was seeing faces in the background and the baby's face would warp and make a sinister smile which eventually turned into a little baby devil. Sounds kinda scary but their was NO fear and nothing could get me down, instead I found it amusing and stared at that picture for like 15 mins lol. During the peak my jaw was shaking like crazy which was enjoyable actually, I was writhing in pleasure. This all lasted till about 11:00 or so then I noticed I was on my descent down which was a little saddening but I knew it had to end sometime so I went with the flow. Lots of high quality cannabis were smoked throughout the entire experience and definately stepped things up. By about 2:00am I was near baseline with no real stimulation, in fact i was in a very relaxed state but when I tried to sleep I was having a bit of trouble which was understanding as to what I just experienced so I popped 2 etizolam and watched some tv and drifted off by 4:00am.

I would rate this experience a 9/10, only because there could've been a deeper headspace but otherwise one of the best trips I have had. At its peak it was a solid high end +++. I will never take this drug orally again as it just doesn't do it justice and I much prefer the laidback trip as opposed to the 2-3 hours of uncomfortable stimulation that oral provides. Ill give my body a week or two rest and go for 60mgs plugged and maybe 12mgs 4-aco-dmt to go all out into this beautiful land of psychedelia. Anyone with this chem I can't reccomend enough that you try plugging at least once, it's not gonna make you gay lol so don't be egotistical. I must add that the dosage for plugging is about the same as oral and don't forget to clear your bowels before plugging. I woke up today in a mild benzo haze which dissapated within 20 mins and now I feel refreshed with a slight headache, no regrets. That's all I got to add for now, happy tripping!
 
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Different for everyone I guess. But yeah If I eat 100mg I can guarantee a couple kg's lost. Only because I'll stay up well into the next night before I can even come close to crashing, not eating a single bite the whole time, simply because I can't. Don't feel hungry and the thought of food makes me feel uneasy.
 
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