The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

[Pagey]

Oh yeah I definitely wouldn't go directly from 100mg to 200. Body weight definitely changes quite a lot - I've lost about 7-8kg in the past month (not intentionally, mind) and with every drug I can notice stronger effects. But I may try out 110-120 one of these days and see if I can handle that. I'm really quite curious about aMT & pushing the barriers on it.
That russian word sounds nicely appropriate though :D it really is that feeling that nothing can touch us at all.

Btw, I've noticed that since I've started using aMT (which has been rather often...maybe a bit too much) I sometimes get closed eye visuals even when I'm not on it. THey're pretty weak, usually just in black and white, but I definitely get some shapes and swirls once in a while, especially when I'm lying down listening to my usual tripping music. Has that ever happened to anyone else?

 

[Indopan]

Just read a couple of posts above, what I wrote. There's a "serotonin syndrome" written in bold.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

^^^^

Do tell your story...specifically dosages and frequency!

 

[Indopan]

A good thing I have noticed about aMT, that's because it used to be an anti-depressant in pharmacy. I crave for it every 10 days or so, though I do it less often, every 3-4 weeks perhaps, sometimes two times in a row, sometimes leaving even longer pause inbetween. But I still feel happy during the pause. That is why I probably do not crave for it very often. Actually, I do not exactly crave for it like I do for coke, but I just know, that if I do that, I will definitely enjoy the ride. Unless done too frequently, aMT is a social drug for me, but it also has made me much more happier person. I feel those NDRI rushes often without having consumed anything. Perfect would be imo, at my condition (age, viability) to do it every 2 weeks and about 100mg every time. Wouldn't be very wrong to say I consume on average about 2x 100mg every month.

- Just a note, as research chemicals definitely need more to be known about.

 

[Pagey]

Just read a couple of posts above, what I wrote. There's a "serotonin syndrome" written in bold.

Huh. Your descrption doesn't sound at all like what I'd read on serotonin syndrome but okay. I do think I overdid the aMT a lot for a while about 4-6 weeks ago (used 5 times in 2 weeks at rather high doses) but I've calmed down since then and aside from the sober closed eye visuals I haven't really noticed anything...who knows.

 

[Indopan]

Or you just did not catch the right page. Symptoms I have from serotonin syndrome (some of them I didn't mention):

Mild headache
Agitation
Hypomania (mentioned)
Mental confusion (comes when hypomania comes)
Hallucinations (mentioned)
Shivering (rarely)
Sweating (kinda mentioned)
Hyperthermia (mentioned)
Hyperreflexia

 

[Pagey]

Right. I got confused because what you described in your earlier post basically sounded only positive whereas serotonin syndrome is supposedly purely horrible so it didn't seem to fit. But never mind.

 

[MrPorter]

First off - I did not realise the difference between oral and plugging was so significant. Was going to plug 70mg (did 60mg before) but things meant I dosed orally. I would guess oral dose is double the plugged for the same effects. Oral also seems to have far less bodyload.

How do you guys feel tolerance builds on this? Personally didn't think there was really anything much. Did 18mg 4-AcO-DMT about 16 hours after coming off amt or 29~ after dosing the amt and tripped pretty hard.

 

[psood0nym]

^That's not surprising about the lack of cross-tolerance to for 4-AcO-DMT. AMT is not that potent or selective for the 5HT2a receptor (chief "psychedelic serotonin subtype receptor) if I recall correctly. Indopan alludes to tolerance to empathogens above, though it's not working in the same way as the "tolerance" aMT induces to 4-AcO-DMT. It takes a month or more for all the serotonin released during an emphathogenic experience to rebound, so if the next time you dose is within that month or more you'll get diminishing returns from aMT or any other drug whose recreational effects owe partially to high intersynaptic concentrations of serotonin (which includes many street and RC stimulants).

 

[Magickduck]

I should probably try AMT sometime. How is it mentally, is it an intense tryptamine journey or is it clearheaded like most phens? Do you think it has some of the same serotonin depleting effects MDMA does?

 

[Indopan]

It is very clear for me and for most of my friends, but I have a friend who goes into deep psychedelic trip on this. You are most likely to feel clear on aMT if you limit to a moderate dose. People mostly can fake being sober for a short time (e.g. mom comes to check whether you wanna eat something).

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

Fucking love the stuff.

Just got a gram of AMT base back, with some 5-MeO-DALT. 50mg orally of the former, interspersed with a couple of small tokes on a DMT pipe, or, 5-MeO-DALT pipe, rather. Dose unknown, just vaping off small tokes of condensed previous hits, as its pretty much covered in a thick coating of crystals now.

Ahh...buggrit. The rest of that 50 up the shitpipe. Here goes.....:D
Followed by 20mg AMT up the hooter, a few hours later. Then another 15 up the shitter. Got another 50 measured out, don't think I'll take more than that though today unless I redose much later. Surprisingly, its completely staved off oxy withdrawal, I've had no pain meds for a couple of days, none until tomorrow morning first thing, have had a SMALL dose of opiates yesterday, some codeine, a bottle of pulmo bailly cough mixture (which I might add, is almost as putrid as pods taste and smell wise) Plus a dose of pods this morning to prevent a severe crash. But I'm doing pretty nicely. Do wish it wasn't so styx-born HOT though today. AMT is pretty heating as it is. And today....I'm drinking ice cold lemonade, and hot lemon balm tea by the gallon, and pissing accordingly (whilst making sure to obtain adequate electrolytes)

Getting off my ass though to go piss is easier said than done. AMT is a major couchlocker for me. Last time I went hiking on it, several times over the p

 

[JackJessie]

Just got some of this stuff, I love my MDMA which is what attracted me to it, many reports of some similarities with visuals. Now, im quite a believer in tolerance breaks and having recently had some mandy/molly im guessing i should hold off on trying this stuff.

how far does it impact with cross tolerance, and if anyone wants to add what i can expect thats great, obviously iv been doing my research on the substance, but anything you guys want to add is great.

I was particularly interested in whether this could be a club drug, ie could i drop this, go to a club and be in a clear mind (know what im doing) and want to dance and be social (make new friends) if you get me.

 

[Morkin]

^ Read the thread, above. I alone have entered detailed reports.

And yes, also experienced cross-tolerance.

And no, I wouldn't club, but that's just me.

 

[Achten]

I was particularly interested in whether this could be a club drug, ie could i drop this, go to a club and be in a clear mind (know what im doing) and want to dance and be social (make new friends) if you get me.

At low doses (< 10mg) I use it as a mood lift during the day.

20+mgs is perfect for clubbing for me. Clearheaded, euphoric, at ease, centered, .. it's really something I like to do. Not too much though .
30mgs is my fav dose, 40 was a bit too intense.
I am not that social but after a dose of aMT last year at a club me and my friend both socialized with the whole club. It helps me evolve as a human being.

 

[Pagey]

Just got some of this stuff, I love my MDMA which is what attracted me to it, many reports of some similarities with visuals. Now, im quite a believer in tolerance breaks and having recently had some mandy/molly im guessing i should hold off on trying this stuff.

how far does it impact with cross tolerance, and if anyone wants to add what i can expect thats great, obviously iv been doing my research on the substance, but anything you guys want to add is great.

I was particularly interested in whether this could be a club drug, ie could i drop this, go to a club and be in a clear mind (know what im doing) and want to dance and be social (make new friends) if you get me.

I personally would never go clubbing on aMT...it does have similarities to MDMA when it comes to its emphatogenic qualities (and yes, there is cross tolerance) but it's also a proper psychedelic. I think I'd get insanely claustrophobic/agoraphobic if I were around lots of people on it. Also you'd probaly have trouble being really aware of what you're doing. Unless you take a very low dose, but IMO you may as well take MDMA then. I can't really speak for low doses cuz I always go between 50 and 100mg. Still, if I were you I'd keep aMT for a less confining setting

 

[kingme]

it depends a bit on what kind of tripper you are really... there are some people, like me, who love their trips, and dont mind others being around, and can handle generally low and medium doses quite well. on the other hand, i have friends that cant take anything remotely psychedelic or visual while out and about, and are always afraid of being caught or something.

ive always wondered how the heck can some people need 50+mg doses, or even upwards of 100mg... for me 40 was full on psychedelic, visual and quite overwhelming, and no way would i ever go above 30mg in public, and thats in venues i know, and with friends and a plan B if things go weird.

 

[Pagey]

^I usually take between 50 and 100mg for aMT and it works for me...for a proper full-on experience mind. It's really intense but I like it that way - has given me my most terrifying trip ever, but also my most amazing that being said I've been thinking I should try it at more 'normal' doses one of these days, haha. (I don't think I've ever gone under 50). But just to explain that ~100mg can still be pretty fucking amazing (obviousy).
Also on such high doses I always make sure someone knows I'm tripping, in case something goes wrong. I think that's pretty essential when there's a risk of not being able to tell what's real or not...it reassures me anyway.

 

[JackJessie]

Thanks for your replies.

Id certainly never go clubbing on a first time new substance, so i guess i can make my own mind up on that, and in reality its unlikely to beat good old MDMA obviously!

Quite interesting how peoples opinions on this stuff seem to vary

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

I would not at all fancy clubbing on AMT.

For many reasons (not least, being kanner's autie and not all that socially inclined to start with), but I find it quite heating, and in a stifling hot club, it would quickly get uncomfortable.

Dosage wise, AMT seems one of those that people respond in a very variable way. I've always enjoyed it at a minimum of 50mg (orally or nasally), and the last time I had it, the one I posted about, I was on some 140-150mg, via a mixture of the oral, nasal and plugged routes, and really enjoyed it. But I've heard a fair few tales of 40mg hitting people pretty fucking hard, enough to give some people a proper walloping.