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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Amantadine and Memantine thread

I take it back! I made some 80mg memantine capsules (size 1 loosely filled) for taking 1-2, 2 being positively a dissociative trip lasting all day.

But, if you take 80mg you get high, if you the next day take 80mg again you get higher! After that you gotta let your levels drop again. don't go over 170mg/wk.You can but you'll be perma-blitzed and odd. I did a month and a half of that as a painkiller to not have to use liquid morphine, it worked but i was whacked out of my mind to a degree not everybody appreciated :D

Taking 1 cap then dropping one 2 hours later was very nice, prolonging that climb by 2 hours.
 
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its a weird coincidence at the very least.
outta 5 nights clubbing, the best day after was the day after the k bumps night.
Me too K after E no trouble getting to sleep, no hangover.
Kinda logic with a restful sleep and winding down comfortably.

Ime Ketamine the only sleep enhancing or not disrupting disso.
 
I've been herding data sources into an AI, asking it to perform searches in various fields regarding Memantine, and to compact and revise to incorporate the new insights.
I ended up with this, and in my ample experience with MMT it does ring true to my ear.

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Memantine is a synthetic dissociative compound from the adamantane class, primarily known as an NMDA receptor antagonist. While it is medically used in the treatment of moderate to severe Alzheimer's disease, it is occasionally used recreationally for its long-lasting dissociative effects.





Dosage and Effects at Recreational Use (~100 mg)​


An oral dose of 70–110 mg is considered common in recreational contexts. At this level, the following effects may occur:


  • Physical:
    A sense of bodily lightness, increased control over body movements, stimulation, appetite suppression, nausea, pain relief, constipation, difficulty urinating, dizziness, headache, increased heart rate, and visual distortions.
  • Visual:
    Color enhancement, sharper visual acuity, afterimages, changes in depth perception, environmental distortions, and hallucinations.
  • Cognitive:
    Cognitive euphoria, conceptual thinking, time distortion, enhanced creativity, deeper appreciation for music, increased motivation, reduced anxiety, disinhibition, suppression of dreams and memory, and slowed thoughts.

The effects typically begin within 30 to 180 minutes after ingestion, peak between 3 to 12 hours, and can last up to 36 hours, followed by an afterglow lasting 8 to 24 hours.





Risks and Side Effects​


At higher doses, more serious side effects may occur, including hallucinations, confusion, drowsiness, dizziness, agitation, aggression, and impaired motor function. In extreme cases, such as doses around 2000 mg, coma and long-lasting neurological symptoms have been reported.


Memantine has a long half-life (60–100 hours), meaning it remains in the body for an extended period. This increases the risk of cumulative effects with repeated use. It may also interact with other NMDA antagonists (like amantadine, ketamine, or dextromethorphan), heightening the risk of adverse effects.





Conclusion​


While memantine can produce dissociative and hallucinogenic experiences at recreational doses, it carries significant risks—especially at higher levels. Its long duration of action and potential for interaction with other substances make it complex and potentially dangerous to use non-medically. Caution and awareness of these effects are essential.
 
I have gotten into some weeks of heavy use of Memantine, with days of 100-400mg, once even 600mg in one day. doses were typically 100-200mg apiece.
Over a time frame of approximately two and a half months I used approximately 15 grams of memantine, or about 200mg/day on average.
There was dizzyness, the occasional highly stimulated afterphase with anxiety, a good number of all-night meditations.
This led to exhaustion, falling asleep on the couch repeatedly, and waking in bed after 4-8 hours of not turning in bed at all leading to backache, just sleeping motionless.

I have since stopped this binge use and there was zero compulsion to take another dose, just NONE. My binge use wasnt compulsive, I just chose to do so without any addictive push to hide behind, I just did something ill advised and when I quit doing it it was over, no need to flush any leftovers or apply willpower. It wasnt a tug-of-war like every damn time with arylcyclohexylamines.

After quitting i stayed high for like 4 days, i think i had maybe a gram in my system from accumulation.

I got a bit "dissociative weird" but it didnt take psychotic-like dimensions like arylcyclohexylamines can do so well.

Memantine "robo walk / dissociative zombie shuffle" definitely is a thing at high doses, caused some hilarious situations with next to nil social anxiety about being half retarded :p

Harm reduction means don't fricking do what i did here. i'm a big boy, 135kg, who is seasoned in dissociatives, a standard person would fry his nuts off in a most unpleasant way.

Going through 150 capsules of 100mg each in 2.5 months is madness in sparta. Don't.

If i was in denial about being addicted I wouldnt have posted this cause in reaction to this post people are going to say i'm in denial :cautious: No: I did a dumb thing without feeling a craving to do so, i fully own this and i'm glad nothing bad appears to have come from it.

I underline the maximum dosage given by psychonautwiki of 170mg and stress that in a toxicological back-and forth, GPT-4o estimated the mortality risk of 500mg taken at once might carry an 0.5-2% acute mortality risk in a standard person if left untreated and that memantine poisoning can be a highly dysphoric prolonged bout of suffering with risk of permanent damage.
 
I'm thinking of a session on new years night, potentially Memantine or 1P-LSD.

Either Entheogen hits better after several weeks of sobriety, which i'm well into already. My drug of choice is Memantine, and as you may know that sticks around for 2 weeks.

I'd rather not combine a dissociative with a psychedelic, so i'm keeping my powder dry in case I opt for acid or metocin.
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It's less than a week between christmas and new years - a quarter of the Memantine would still be in my system if I opted for a christmas trip.

Memantine is so fascinating, it's a true blue dissociative but there is zero craving. I can sit on my stash or even have a vial of it in eyeshot by my computer for weeks on end and its just neutral, just like with shrooms and quite unlike arylcyclohexylamines there is zero drive to take it.

Things like MXE and O-PCE i couldnt even keep a stash of, way too compulsive. With Memantine - none of that. Giving them up was painless.

The literature says that medical doses of Memantine are not associated with addiction, but I find this to be true with dissociative doses as well, for me at least, and this after quite some experimenting by someone who was totally fiending for arylcyclohexylamines. I'm glad I gave those up, it was getting a bit too wild.

Is anyone experienced with the combination of Memantine and classical psychedelics like shrooms or acid? I'm very prone to bad trips on psychedelics, and combining psychedelics with dissociatives (think nitrous or ketamine) tends to cause raging synergism and obliteration of dissociative anxiolysis.
 
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Why one NMDA antagonist, like O-PCE, can feel compulsive and another, like Memantine, can feel “neutral”

It helps to start with one key idea: “NMDA antagonist” describes a receptor target, not a full drug experience. Two compounds can both reduce NMDA signaling and still differ radically in how strongly they pull on craving, habit loops, and loss of control. In practice, compulsive use is driven less by the label on the receptor and more by the drug’s speed, duration, binding kinetics, and the way it engages reward learning.

Arylcyclohexylamine dissociatives (ketamine- and PCP-like drugs and their analogs) tend to produce a fast, unmistakable shift in state. When onset is quick and the subjective “flip” is clear, the brain can easily pair the act of dosing with immediate relief or excitement. That is the classic reinforcement recipe: a tight timing link between action and payoff. Many of these compounds also lend themselves to redosing because the effect curve often has a noticeable peak and then a come-down that can feel like something to “fix” with another dose. That peak-then-fade shape teaches the brain to chase a specific moment rather than accept a long, steady plateau.

Memantine, even at dissociative doses, usually feels pharmacokinetically and phenomenologically different. Oral onset is slower, the rise to peak is drawn out, and the elimination is long. That means there is often no sharp reward spike to lock onto, and redosing does not reliably create a fresh “hit” so much as it extends a state that may become foggy, flat, or uncomfortable. When a drug’s time course blurs the connection between taking it and getting an immediate, crisp payoff, it is harder for cue-driven craving to take root. Long duration can also function as a built-in brake: if you overshoot, you live with it for a while, which can condition avoidance rather than repetition.

At the receptor level, the details matter. Both memantine and many arylcyclohexylamines are uncompetitive NMDA channel blockers, but they differ in affinity, voltage dependence, and how quickly they disengage from the channel. Memantine is often described as a relatively low-to-moderate affinity blocker with a comparatively fast unbinding profile under physiological conditions, which can translate into a less chaotic disruption of signaling. Many arylcyclohexylamines, by contrast, can produce a more forceful and state-dependent blockade that subjectively reads as more dramatic, more “special,” and sometimes more euphoric or mind-blowing. The more a drug reliably produces a striking, distinctive state, the more it can become a high-salience reward cue in its own right.

Off-target pharmacology can widen the gap further. Different dissociatives can interact to varying degrees with systems beyond NMDA, including dopamine pathways, sigma receptors, muscarinic receptors, and others. Even subtle differences here can change whether the experience feels emotionally rewarding, anxiolytic, energizing, or merely sedating and detached. A drug that nudges reward circuitry or produces a particularly pleasurable afterglow can become more reinforcing than one that primarily produces cognitive dulling or a neutral dissociative haze.

Psychology then amplifies whatever the chemistry starts. With a fast-onset dissociative, the brain can build a strong habit chain: trigger, thought, dose, rapid shift, relief. Over time, triggers alone can generate intense wanting, even if the person no longer truly enjoys the outcome. Switching to a slower, longer-acting compound can break that chain by removing the immediate payoff and by changing the ritual. If the person also changes identity and expectations (for example, “I do not do arylcyclohexylamines anymore; this is occasional and controlled”), that cognitive reframe can further weaken craving. In other words, the pharmacology may reduce reinforcement, and the new narrative reduces cue power, and together they can feel like a reset.

None of this means memantine is automatically safe or that compulsive use is impossible, only that its kinetic and experiential profile is often less compatible with the tight reward timing and redose chasing that fuels addiction-like patterns. If someone is using any dissociative after a history of loss of control, it is wise to treat “absence of craving so far” as encouraging but not a guarantee, and to keep boundaries and harm-reduction habits in place.
 
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