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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Amanita Mushrooms Thread

It's interesting that people on this thread have reported positive experiences with Washington Grade A+ Amanita muscaria as this is the variety I've been considering buying. The price scares me away a bit. I seem to recall an oz. of the stuff being what, $25 or $30? Will this prob. be enough for 2 moderate trips?

My only 2 previous experiences with Amanita were Grade E Amanita pantherina. My first trip as I recall was around 8 grams and my second trip on them was around 20 grams I think. Even at 20 grams the trip was quite mild, hardly a trip. Mainly what I experienced was an extremely relaxing, heavy body high and calm mind. I found 20 g so mild that I ended up doing 700 mg of DXM that night and still didn't feel properly spaced out.

Hopefully, I won't need to eat a whole oz. of Washington muscaria at once as I hate spending $30 just for one trip. People tell me I need a long break from psychedelics as I get such diminishing returns from Ergolines, Tryptamines, Phenethylamines, DXM, etc. these days but I've been unable to force myself to cut back and still find my weeks don't feel as complete unless I have one or two fulfilling psychedelic experiences :(
 
Amanita Preparation

Ok so i have been researching Fly Agaric lately and i am interested in giving them a shot, i know where i can get loads of these bad boys in the bush. the are amanita formosa, the big yellow ones, i read ur suppose to cook them but could i just dry them out in the sun or in my house. or do they need the heat to ibonetic <sp?> acid into musacin or what ever, i realize these are nothing like majic mushrooms but i cant pass up such a great find? are they worth it?
 
This is a late response but I have some and they state that

they were made into a tea, but the water was never boiled because boiling would destroy the active components. So I would not cook them judging by the comment above . .
 
Merged in a question and responses about safely preparing amanitas.

Amanitas must either be heated or dried out completely to convert the toxic ibotenic acid to muscimol, which is what you want. Boiling may destroy it, I don't know, but pouring hot water over the mushrooms and making it into a tea won't destroy the actvies. I've boiled water and poured that water over the mushrooms to make a tea and it worked, although I had a smallish dose so it wasn't a full trip by any means... that was the only time I've tried manaitas.
 
Well, earlier it was said that at 170 C would convert all ibotenic acid to muscimol, would baking the mushroom be a problem? That makes most sense to me.
 
Amanita pantheria trip

I find lot of this mushrooms.What i must do to make this mushrooms less deadly and more tripy? Cannabis and pantheria? Your experiences? How much to trip and not die?
 
As I understand it, these mushrooms are not terribly safe. IIC, they have the same alkaloids as A. muscaria, but in higher concentrations. I'd tread quite carefully, and do your research. I haven't got personal experience in the matter, but perhaps someone will happen along who does.
 
I think cooking it just like you cook the muscaria species will make it less toxic (its the muscarine that is toxic afaik, cooking it converts it to muscimol).

I dont have personal experience with those mushrooms. I'm pretty sure I know one regular poster here does (but forgot his nick atm he has a mushroom with a funny little guy sitting on top of it in his avatar though).
 
I'm definently going to be buying some amanita's soon and I was also eyeing the WA state grade A++ caps, because of quality obviously, and I happen to be from WA so I have an enormous amount of pride knowing we are known for more than just our apples! However, price is a factor and I read on the site that the grade doesn't mean higher alkaloid content, just a more well preserved mushroom, for asthetic value basically. I don't know if this really the case or that site is just watching their ass legally or something. But another source states in the product description that one of their batches was tested in march 2008 and found to have high mucosmil content, they also cost about $10 less. Which would be the better buy? And if anyone is wondering these mushrooms will not be used for decorations. lol
 
well this is a harm reduction site, not really a vendor-review site...so I don't know if its in the spirit of the site to use the resources to tell you which ones have more drugs in them...ya know what I mean?

that said, i'd help if I knew more...I do know that some ethno-botanical places say the same thing (higher prices for better kept specimens, less damage to the specimen, etc). This is something they do, and I do not think is a mask for trying to sell the ones with more drugs in them (they often have no clue what the exact content is).

peace
 
thanks for the response, I guess my post did sound a little commercialized, my bad. I just figured since a lot of posts on here talk about different quality of substances it was game. I kinda figured the A++ thing was a selling tactic, as is the other sites description. I actually sell web sites and web marketing for a living so I give my clients the same type of advice to make products sound more interesting. I guess since I live here I could just go out and pick my own but I prefer the idea of pre dried so I don't fuck up and get too sick. Anyway, I guess no source is to be fully trusted, the only test of quality is personal experience.
 
well its one thing to discuss the properties of a chemical or substance like in this thread about amanitas, but its another for us to give advice on whats the best buy since that really isn't in any way what 'harm reduction' is about - not a good use of site resources. Just taking the time to say that because I think its important...not singling you out or anything I think its just a good thing to point out to everybody. We're just not a source discussion board, bottom line.
 
^Muscarine is a prominent cholinergic compound in amanita muscaria (and other mushroom species, but it was named and first discovered in Amanita Muscaria).

Ibotenic acid converts to muscimol- both are psychoactive (I think) though ibotenic acid is more neurotoxic. I don't believe muscimol is all that dangerous itself but don't quote me on that. I really wonder abut these mushrooms, I've sampled them several times with mainly non psychoatcive effect besides extreme sedation and odd thoughts. The fact the muscimol is a potent GABAa agonist makes me think it should be more 'pleasant', though I guess the cholinergic effects (drooling as such :)) can negate that. I have a bag of dried amanita's that I would love to completely extract the muscimol from....
 
Iv read that ppl think the Aussie fly's make you sick. It took me 20g to feel any nausea. Although I slept right through teh 15, so I wont know.

Iv tripped on 5, 10, 15 and 20g. 20g was as close to breakthrough as i'd like to get. Falling over and shit isnt fun, but instantaneous comprehension of the wavelengths of all reality is definitely worth it.
The joy, also.
I havent had them from pines- instead, Iv found them growing under oak. Pine is nasty enough as it is, so I wonder if the different realtoinship produces less toxic mushies.

You gotta dry them real well- they're prone to the green mean and other contams. Best is to oven them early on, and thoroughly. 2 hours on low with the fan is rarely enough.

The muscimol is part of the trip. Expect to crawl about- (do not try to walk- I learnt the hard way) I expereinced slight neurotixicty for several days, in the form of very mild, very brief 'brownouts'- they werent quite black!

If psilocybe is 'alien', id call Amanita 'divine'.
 
I've done amanita muscaria twice. Air dried, 2 caps first time, 3 caps second time. First time I had a slightly dissociated mindstate and minor physical clumsiness. The second time, I felt a strong sensation of power in my body, much in line with descriptions of low dose dissociative use (i.e. mentally stimulating because of dissociation from little pains and aches and loss of judgment of ones physical strength). This was coupled with mild tunnel vision, a feeling of being at peace and heightened enjoyment of taste, touch and humour. I also puked this second time, feeling rather ill before but completely well after.

I must assume that my experience were pretty low dose, and in this dosage range, these mushrooms give a recreational, euphoric buzz that I'd like to enjoy more (as a substitute to alcohol rather than psychedelics) if I weren't concerned with the health problems that might follow amanita use (its main downside is liver toxicity, if I remember correctly). Of course, more ibotenic acid would probably be converted into muscimol if I used the recommended heat drying method, but I don't want a kitchen that smells like rotten mushrooms.
 
Mjäll said:
its main downside is liver toxicity, if I remember correctly
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afaik not. there are mushrooms in related species that are quite toxic to the liver (death cap, destroying angel or something...), but those toxins aren't present in amanita muscaria. i'd rather worry about ibotenic acid which is quite a potent neurotoxin (when injected into the brain. it's questionable if it can cross the blood-brain-barrier).
 
Black said:
afaik not. there are mushrooms in related species that are quite toxic to the liver (death cap, destroying angel or something...), but those toxins aren't present in amanita muscaria. i'd rather worry about ibotenic acid which is quite a potent neurotoxin (when injected into the brain. it's questionable if it can cross the blood-brain-barrier).
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Oh, I thought ibotenic acid was quite bad for the liver. Would you attribute the nausea to toxicity or just an adverse effect of the active chemicals? Maybe even some bacteria present in the mushroom?
 
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