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The Big & Dandy AL-LAD Thread - Part 2

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Well you know yourself better than I do :) I'm just a big advocate of going light on MDMA because in my experience heavy doses (100mg+) don't make the experience any better, just more intense, and just lead to face gnashing and depression in the days afterwords... but everyone's different of course.
 
In my experience with hippy flipping at least, taking my normal dose of MDMA (200mg) will completely overpower the effects of even 8g dried cubensis. Definitely dose the MDMA much lower than you normally would by itself :)
 
Shit the MD alone would be enough for me, can't even imagine mixing that with 150ug Al-LAD, especially in a rave environment. Take care.
 
me too! 100mg is four fucking doses for a pussy like me!

perpetualdawn said:
Well you know yourself better than I do :) I'm just a big advocate of going light on MDMA because in my experience heavy doses (100mg+) don't make the experience any better, just more intense, and just lead to face gnashing and depression in the days afterwords... but everyone's different of course.
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Although a little off-topic, I agree. High doses of MDMA bypass the empathic effects for which the drugs is taken. Kinda pointless, but each to their own. High doses of MDMA also bring greater, & longer lasting, serotonin downregulation.

The closest I've come to flipping is mixing MDMA 100mg with 2c-e, 12mg. The 2c-e walked all over the MDMA & we had to call it an early night coz we were tripping too much for niteclubbing lol I've had plenty of hippy-flips. I'm sure a mix of 100mg MDMA & 150ug Al-Lad would be more controllable than the Sparkle-flip, but I'd still recomend cautious dosing until you know what's what.
 
perpetualdawn said:
Thanks for letting us know about this cybergollum. I would love to read more about your experience, or a full TR about this if you're up for it, as it's a combo I'm very much interested in, and one that seems fairly unexplored.
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Can't make TR because it was a few months ago. But I can add that I did this combo two times (with one week break) and both times trips were comparable.
They were solo night trips after work day at Friday - my usual setting.

As for me first 2-3 hours were too intense in way it was hard to do anything except of laying in bed and watching movie (it was "Captain America: First Avenger" which I found weird and dumb but yet funny and impressive) - but you should notice that I'm asocial and don't like to walk or meet people when I'm high. So my reaction were typical but YMMV.

During trip I drank time to time kefir or/and yogurt, I found that these drinks helped me much more among other to cope with stomachal discomfort (from hunger or drugs, or both) if any. Small digression: I abused a lot of methylone in previous year and now when I returned to psychedelics (had stashed 200 mg of 2C-E few years ago) I found that it never give me such gastric discomfort as before. Actually I forgot when I puked last time. Maybe I grew up or maybe there is some issues (though beneficial!) with my dopamine receptors (I am not an expert, just fast silly theory), who knows?

So... I can't tell much more because trips were about movies and a bit of chatting (both were psychologically pleasurable and enthralling).Trips were comfortable for my set&setting and I definitely will repeat them - not with same dosage though. I mean trips were solid +++ and I have no real reason to push it higher but I am excited what can bring me 300ug AL-LAD if I was fully satisfied with 150ug? I guess pushing 2C-E is good idea too. Especially now because recently I tried to re-dose it multiple time through ~24hr trip and I found it entertaining and manageable as for me, I think I can try larger doses: maybe 30 mg or even 40 mg? I did once 40 mg 2C-E few yrs ago (though I had tolerance because of daily 2C-E abuse for a week or so - yes, I am big fan of 2C-E <3 it was my first research drug and first psychedelic at all, first love - love for the rest of life you know), and it was really weird but this is different story and I totally don't recommend such doses for first timers or anyone who didn't know his body enough.

ps: was writing this message for 2 hours and now kinda tired :\ it is not really easy to write in english for me so excuse me if there some offtop or mistakes
 
Dawglaw said:
I am going to try again on Halloween. I am going to a HUGE rave and I am going to take 150mg of mdma and 150ug of Al-Lad plus a little booze and weed mixed in throughout.

Hopefully the MDMA brings a little more out of the 150ug of Al-Lad.
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Hey mate, had a small bomb of mandy and half a tab this weekend at a psytrance night, and it was a lovely combo. If youre not sure about psychs this could be a bit of a strong one, but for me as I was too busy dancing and getting lost in the lights and sound I didnt realise i was tripping until I went outside! The combo potentiates the effects of both drugs really well! I could have happily done a higher dose of both, but I didnt have the supplies :(
 
seedboot said:
Hey mate, had a small bomb of mandy and half a tab this weekend
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Do you by chance know (or can give a rough estimate) how much MDMA you took (milligram wise)?

I am still debating my doses. I am considering the following options:

1) 75ug and 150mg;
2) 100ug and 120mg; or
3) 150ug and 100mg.

Note: when I take MDMA by itself, I take 150-200mg as I have a bit of a tolerance.
 
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Dawglaw said:
Do you by chance know (or can give a rough estimate) how much MDMA you took (milligram wise)?

I am still debating my doses. I am considering the following options:

1) 75ug and 150mg;
2) 100ug and 120mg; or
3) 150ug and 100mg.

Note: when I take MDMA by itself, I take 150-200mg as I have a bit of a tolerance.
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I probably had less than 50, could have definitely had more. Go with perpetual dawn :) #3
 
I have tried this once or twice too.

2/2.5 tabs of AL-LAD and 100mg of MDA. This was a bit much to handle.

1.5 tabs of AL-LAD and 100mg of MDMA. This was just right, I might have liked a bit more, but i was in a public setting and it was good at this level.

I agree with seedboot, option 3 sounds good dawglaw.
 
cybergollum said:
Can't say about mixing with BK-2C-B but I've tried AL-LAD with 2C-E and it was very interesting and fun experience (despite of having some body load). I've got strong OEVs and interesting effect of sound distortion(?) - I heard every overtone from clock ticking and I had a feel that sound is echoing inside my brain, and there were another feel like I am falling between those echoing overtones. Another interesting effect (by "interesting" I mean such an experience I never or very rarely had before) was extremely enhanced memory - I could raise in front of my inner vision any (or most of) scenes from previous day and play it like videotape for few microseconds then rewind if I need so, and I could see every detail from these scenes, I could split and examine (finally remembered most accurate word) every little piece from blocks of information I received from my sense organs.

Dosages were one 150ug blotter (one of three blotters I've ordered in Aug'13) and ~20mg (+/-5 mg) of 2c-e.
Fact, blotters didn't degrade at all (or degrade indistinguishably low - I think I can say they became even stronger :D). If anyone's wondering, I store them nether in foil nor in fridge but just in the purse inside 5cmx5cm plastic bag.

Note: my usual high-enough dose of 2c-e is ~20mg and I used it a lot of times, so I think I didn't step much out of "responsible" area.
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tried this the other day 3 tabs a couple of grams of mpa and some bk-c2-b was buzzing as fuck :)
 
No problem overheating like a cooked chicken on MDMA and al-lad? I tend to find I get a little warm on al-lad by itself. Nothing major tho - just a bit red in the face.
 
my wife reports that my face seems flushed as well, but also she says so with lsd and lsz... this is the opposite of vasoconstriction
personally I think that most reports about vasoconstriction are actually reports of skeletal muscle tension,
which is a kind of looping thought with a physical expression.
I get that and cramps in my legs some times,
since I let them move around sometimes in a grinding way - I now it is my thoughts grinding along through my leg muscles - a real work out sometimes.
 
I determine whether I have vasoconstriction by feeling my veins in my arms, the one running down the back of the elbow. Whenever I take things that give it to me (like DOC or certain stimulants), the vein feels tiny and hard, and if it's bad enough, I can feel a slight pulling when I extend my arm all the way. It feels so creepy. I tend to have poor circulation in my hands and feet, always have, so I believe I am probably more prone to it than most.
 
Al-lad gives me and my lady friend neck and shoulder tension, but it's pretty mild, even at 450 ug. I assumed it was because of vasoconstriction. It's certainly not from anxiety, which I don't generally experience on al-lad.
 
Xorkoth said:
I determine whether I have vasoconstriction by feeling my veins in my arms, the one running down the back of the elbow. Whenever I take things that give it to me (like DOC or certain stimulants), the vein feels tiny and hard, and if it's bad enough, I can feel a slight pulling when I extend my arm all the way. It feels so creepy. I tend to have poor circulation in my hands and feet, always have, so I believe I am probably more prone to it than most.
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YES
I've had so many LSD comedowns where everything tensed up so much, but not muscle soreness but rather feeling those uber creepy steel cable like things in the body, especially arms and groin 8( I always figured it was tendons or who knows what ligaments, although it would be strange that they'd act up with hardly that much actual exertion...
 
So to everyone talking about vasoconstriction: I've heard that cayenne pills are the way to go. I've never tried it but likely will next time I get around to a psychedelic.
 
I agree with Pupnik that sometimes people are mistaking different physical effects as vasoconstriction. There seems to be some confusion about what vasoconstriction is. Like neck and shoulder tension mentioned above - that just sounds like muscle tension to me.
 
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