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The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 4)

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It is subjective, basically if we recount in on the amount of blood those 150mg for you should be like 250 for me.. I know 250 would be intolerable for me, panic attacks and strong visuals likely.

Good news is that I got my 1g white powder at home already. Since I have no school tomorrow lol.. I think we all know what it means, I should test it asap if its any good. Tomorrow its exactly a month since last.
 
That is good news - hope you have fun. I still have 3g of 6 and I won't be able to have any until at least June. However, I've got LSD to look forward to :)

And that is very interesting, without wanting to give the impression of dosing bravado, I'm confident that I could handle an initial dose of 300 on 6. I wouldn't do that as I'm pretty sure my body wouldn't appreciate it but its just fascinating how various factors have an impact on the dose required. Pre-loading makes it so that I can start on a much lower dose and still roll and trip pretty hard.
 
I couldnt quote that fucking book but the king of beans said something along the lines of "anyone disliking 6apb proves it is not a good 'rolling' drug" and went on to say everyone loves MDMA. Just want to say this is completely untrue and arrogant, IMO. I dont particularly like MDMA, MDA is more my cup of tea.. A lot edgier and stimulating, more euphoric for me.. Its all subjective dude, quit talking out of your ass and get a fucking scale.
 
So I bombed 100mg of powder 3 hours ago.. and uh, the comeup was quite unpleasant. I spent a long time on the toilet despite my bowels empty. For the first 2 hours I felt like "I know theres a big euphoria hiding somewhere deep in brain but I'm too confused to enjoy anything". It was quite hard to focus visually, eyes had to do something all the time.
I thought I knew exactly what to await from this drug but seems it can still surprise me, from normal dose. Clearly the powder is stronger.
Right now I'm listening to music and generally feel well, but not very euphoric, guess its all in my head since the comeup was so confused - at times I felt overstimulated and few moments after that I'd yawn.. so far its really strange, guess I need to get used to powder.
 
Set/setting is very important with 6-apb.
People should also space the 6-apb rolls at least one month apart...
 
I said that few posts before it is one month tomorrow. In the meantime I only had 4-fa once and pentedrone (thats crap dont take it) twice, dont think those affect my high. But yeah set/setting werent perfect, there were some people I had to hide my high from in the first hour, that could be it.
At no point I could say it would be too unpleasant, no, just strange.

Anyway drinking few beers made me feel really nice, but I think I'm just becoming drunk :). Better prepare myself more next time.
 
I said that few posts before it is one month tomorrow. In the meantime I only had 4-fa once and pentedrone (thats crap dont take it) twice, dont think those affect my high. But yeah set/setting werent perfect, there were some people I had to hide my high from in the first hour, that could be it.
At no point I could say it would be too unpleasant, no, just strange.

Anyway drinking few beers made me feel really nice, but I think I'm just becoming drunk :). Better prepare myself more next time.

4-fa and pentedrone is cheating :D You should be one month serotonin drug free :D
 
Thanks for posting all that - I think take a good long break now. Not sure 6-APB agrees with you :)

Sounds like a very, very intense experience. Made me think of aMT - sure hope it isn't aMT you've been taking by mistake (I'm pretty positive it isn't). If you took a strong enough dose of aMT you'd almost certainly have level five type experience.

Anyway, to summarise, I just don't experience 6-APB as you describe although as we're unsure on dose I can't really offer very much. If you took 200 + (seems like you took a lot more than 200) then that could explain things. A good dose for me ranges between 150 and 200 coupled with some energy drinks and my delightful fake cigarette :)

At the high end, I could imagine this stuff getting pretty intense but I've avoided high doses of most substances as I want to have a more controlled experience. I'll think on this during the day and get back. Sure hope you're a little more mellow now. And yes, get some scales :)

Thanks,

I'm pretty positive I didn't take AMT, I haven't really researched about AMT but from what I understand, it's a full blown tripdrug. I really hate tripping now after my past experiences with shrooms and taking too much of them. I can have bad trips too easily now. I think if I took that much AMT, I would of certainly wigged out hardcore. I didn't actually wig out yesterday, it was just more intense than I was expecting. I also don't think I was in danger of dying at all. I don't think I took nearly enough to actually kill me.(It was just more intense than I was expecting as the previous 2 times were nothing like that) I would guess I took about 250 to 300 mg's at the most. There's really no way to tell. I'm just very sensitive to anything that can make you trip. But I didn't even come close to a level 5 trip yesterday. I have hit level 5 before so I know what that's like. I went into complete delirium and didn't even know I Was tripping. I had thought the world ended and I Was in hell. That is another story in itself. I actually have the trip report which I posted way back in 2000....it's still in archive online, which the shroomery saved. The actual trip was back in 1995 or somewhere around then (Maybe 96). That's something I would never want to experience again. Insane shit. But the 6-apb is not a really strong tripping drug, as it does have some other properties to it, rather than being a full blown hallucinogen.

I wasn't really seeing many visuals yesterday at all. It was more of a intense body buzz experience. Even though I eyeballed it and poured it from the bag into the water, I still don't think it was more than 300 mg's. I didn't pour a whole lot in there, I could just taste the water being much stronger than the previous 2 experiences. Well I wont be taking it again for a while, I am satisfied now that I got to experience what 6-apb was all about. It really wasn't that bad of a drug so I take back a lot of what I said about it. I think you just need to find the right dosage. But it still was nothing like a roll to me, just a different experience. Btw, I only weigh 130 lbs so you could call me a lightweight. I think eating the food beforehand was part of why I had a stronger experience this time.

6apbhmmm- You got white powder 6-apb? I've heard about the white powder being stronger than the tan. (Ive got tan) But I've also heard 6-apb is supposed to be tan and not white so it's kind of confusing all of the mixed reports. At least their not putting apvp and crap in like they were when it was first released. I read all the horror stories of people staying up for 4 days straight having heart attacks and stuff.

QuasiModo- Come over here so I can smack you. lol I understand liking MDA better, I personally like MDA better than MDMA as well...because it's stronger and lasts much longer. But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy MDMA. MDMA gives you the most excellent body tingles and euphoria if you get good quality stuff. Nothing in the world compares. 6-apb does not give you that feeling. even MDA does not. If you cannot enjoy MDMA (or you don't like it) Then there is either something wrong with you, or something wrong with the MDMA You're taking. I'm sorry but I think you're full of shit to say that you dont enjoy MDMA. If you like MDA then you would have to like MDMA because both drugs give you the same feeling. One just lasts longer than the other. Now combining the two, that is amazing. One of the best rolls I've had in my life by combining MDA with MDMA. But how can anyone say they dont enjoy the feeling of serotonin releasing in your brain? I can understand certain aspects like, loving your worst enemy may freak some people out. But that is the love of god you are feeling. The love from the universe. MDMA is a beautiful drug and I stand by what I say, anyone would enjoy it, if in the right setting. That means you have to have music of course. MDMA makes music sound so fucking good, It's impossible that anyone would not enjoy it. And Im not trying to sound ignorant, I know how drugs affect everyone differently, but MDMA is the one drug which everyone agrees is good. I've never seen anyone in my entire life who said they don't like MDMA. If they do say that, they're just trying to act cool. You know you like it so stop fooling yourself. (And yes I know MDMA can knock you on your ass, I usually dont even get up to move when Im on it...but you cant say you dont enjoy the feeling and the euphoria from it. If you're being serious, you need to try some music on it. Sounds like you were sitting in the dead silence...which i admitted can kill some weak MDMA rolls. Also it appears you're from Cali. Nothing but weak MDMA around cali lately. Maybe you just haven't had good quality. If you started rolling in the 90's early 2000 then you most likely have had good quality)

EDIT- I've also had 4-FA and Pentedrone together, because I was told by someone that it is amazing. I dont care for Pentedrone on it's own.(Even the combo was not anything special) In order to get the dose which actually gives me euphoria, I end up with a massive headache or headrush by the end of the night. It's just a garbage drug for me. 4-FA on the other hand is great, even by itself. But combining with Pentedrone didn't do anything extra for me. I didnt notice any increase in euphoria.
 
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Huge pile of crap

Dude, you're an idiot and a hypocrite. Everyone reacts differently to every drug; it is ENTIRELY possible for someone to not like MDMA. I've dosed a friend with lab analyzed > 95% pure MDMA powder and they didn't enjoy it. They enjoy other stimulant drugs.

Here's the funny thing, you get on Quasi for not liking MDMA not realizing you're doing the exact same thing everyone else is doing to you with 6apb. "6apb does not make you roll." Where do you get off making statements like that? Since when can you access my experience and tell me how 6apb makes me feel? Sorry that you don't roll from it, but I do, and stronger than MDMA. And I've had a lot of MDMA, good MDMA, and I enjoy it, but I still don't like it as much. So get off our fucking backs, we get it, you don't like 6apb, christ already. Get out of the damn thread if you hate it so much and go post in the MDMA forum, I think most people are sick of your crap.
 
Dude, you're an idiot and a hypocrite. Everyone reacts differently to every drug; it is ENTIRELY possible for someone to not like MDMA. I've dosed a friend with lab analyzed > 95% pure MDMA powder and they didn't enjoy it. They enjoy other stimulant drugs.


Here's the funny thing, you get on Quasi for not liking MDMA not realizing you're doing the exact same thing everyone else is doing to you with 6apb. "6apb does not make you roll." Where do you get off making statements like that? Since when can you access my experience and tell me how 6apb makes me feel? Sorry that you don't roll from it, but I do, and stronger than MDMA. And I've had a lot of MDMA, good MDMA, and I enjoy it, but I still don't like it as much. So get off our fucking backs, we get it, you don't like 6apb, christ already. Get out of the damn thread if you hate it so much and go post in the MDMA forum, I think most people are sick of your crap.


I'm not really a hypocrate. I'll explain the difference between what I said and what Quasi said. First, almost everyone would agree that 6-apb makes you trip. Tripping and rolling are not the same. Tripping does not make you happy. You need to be happy already in order to enjoy a trip. It's common knowledge that going into a trip with a bad mindset can only make things worse. However, MDMA on the other hand is all about serotonin, which makes you happy. Since when do people not enjoy being happy? 6-apb certainly may make some people feel like their rolling, but they are not infact rolling (not in my definition). It just can feel similiar to some people...ESPECIALLY Those who are already extremely happy in life. A true roll to me is pure MDMA. And this is entirely different than any psychedelic drug in those senses to where it actually MAKES you happy, you don't need to be happy already before you go into the experience. Everyone I know enjoys the feeling of happiness. Quasi just came on here to start controversy most likely by saying he/she did not enjoy MDMA. Also another point- You dont see ANYONE saying that they "Trip" from MDMA. And that is because it's not a psychedelic. Drugs do affect people differently I can accept that. But how MDMA affects the brain is pretty much the same for everyone. Nobody in their right mind can say honestly that they don't enjoy being happy.

I've rolled with 100's of people and not a single one did not enjoy it. Obviously you haven't had real MDMA if you're being serious. Now I HAVE seen people who were already high on life to the point to where MDMA didn't really get them off. But if you read what I said closely I said MDMA would MAKE everyone who took it happy. That means if you're not already happy to the point of being a freak, it will make you happy. There is no arguing with this point. Serotonin is the love chemical. You cannot be "made happy" if you're already that happy. I am saying anyone who is depressed or not as happy as god, will be made happy from it.

6-apb on the other hand does not do this. 6-apb is not a rolling drug. Even at the right dose, I'm sure it still has some psychedelic properties. My definition of rolling is simple- What MDMA and MDA does to you. There are clear differences between 6-apb and MDA. They are not even in the same ballpark. While MDMA and MDA are in the same ballpark. Just because you have a different definiton as I do, doesnt give you any right to call me an idiot. You think you're right about everything, but there is no right and wrong. For example, most of us agree that the color "Blue" is Blue. But if you have some wacked out person who sees the color as Green, then the color is "Green" to him. That doesnt make him wrong. You just don't understand what I am trying to say.

MDMA is guaranteed to make anyone who takes it happy, and of course as I said before, if you're already happy, then how can it MAKE you happy? That's just obvious. It can make you HAPPIER, but I never said that. I said it makes everyone happy. Excuse me for not being technical and explaining it in a bunch of detail. I really didnt think I would get idiots to come on here and argue with me about that statment. You expect me to believe that someone reading this thread, just happened to not enjoy MDMA? No, they said that just for controversy and or to try and prove me wrong. If they took real MDMA, they would enjoy the feeling. To say that someone doesnt enjoy serotonin is like calling god an idiot.

God put that chemical in your brain to help you get through life. Let's see anyone with low serotonin come on here and say they feel good and enjoy life. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. I said I wanst going to argue about this, but you guys are obviously just fucking with me, to get me going. I can't help but state my opinion. I already know drugs effect people differently. Am I know some people would enjoy 6-apb or even LSD MORE than mdma, that is personal preference. But that just means they like to trip more than they like to roll. But you really cant come on here and say honestly that you dont like MDMA. That is just not true. You may not like everything about it, but you still would enjoy the good feeling it gives you. Unless you're allergic to it, and get a bad reaction, there is no possible way someone couldn't enjoy that feeling, unless they make themselves believe they aren't. That's a whole different story. If freaks think they dont like serotonin just because they are happy all of the time, then they are taking it for granted. You do enjoy it, weather or not you know it. Or are you are trying to say MDMA doesnt release serotonin for everyone who takes it? Yeah Im sure, someone reading this thread just happened to be one of those people (Insert Sarcasim here) Like I said I've seen 100's of people take it, and under the right setting, it's impossible to have a bad time on it. I'm not going to waste time trying to make you believe you like MDMA. If you want to think you dont enjoy it, fine. But deep down inside, you know that you like it.

MDMA is not like any other drug. It doesn't get you "high" like weed or crack. It enchances the feel good properties of life itself. So this is not a subjective feeling like other drugs. No one in this world could honestly say they don't enjoy being happy. I have seen people who didnt enjoy MDA because it was way too strong for them. That's believable. But MDMA is so mellow and feels so good (Thats why they call it ecstasy) To say you dont like feeling ecstasy is to say that God doesn't like people. It's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So yeah I cant argue with what you say, but you cant argue with my opinion either. I know exactly what you're trying to do and that is start controversy. Anyone can act cool and say they dont enjoy MDMA, but I'm not a fool, I know they are just saying that to start controversy. Of course its possible they had bad MDMA too. I am talking about clean MDMA, No one in this world could honestly say they don't like MDMA. But you do see many people saying they don't like 6-apb. I was just making a comparison between the 2 drugs and how people feel about them.

This is the last reply you will get about this. You're just getting a laugh out of my responses. I feel like Im wasting my time trying to convince people that they like mdma. Like I said, if you want to lie to yourself and act like you don't enjoy serotonin, then go ahead. But any sane people will take my side here. MDMA is not like any other drug. It pretty much enhances the high people are already on with their life. And to say you dont like MDMA is like saying you don't like life, period. If that was true, What are you doing here? Try being low on serotonin and tell me you LIKE that feeling. Because that is what saying "I dont enjoy MDMA" is saying. You have to enjoy something in life. Why make yourself believe ecstasy is not enjoyable? It's just all in your mind. You keep thinking that, you certainly may hate happiness. The mind is a powerful thing. Why tell yourself that you dont enjoy happiness? It just sounds so stupid what we're arguing about here. I refuse to believe that people out there don't enjoy being happy. And if there really ARE people out there who don't enjoy feeling happy and ecstastic, then I would be afraid to be hanging out with these people. Some people are morbid and some people like to be depressed all the time, I know that. But these are people who don't know what REAL happiness is all about. Once they FEEL the love of god (Which MDMA makes you feel) You will never want to go back.

But yes, you have to have depression sometimes in your life. It is there to make you appreciate the happiness. If you were happy all of the time, it would get dull to you. This could very well explain why some people claim they dont enjoy MDMA. If you are not just fucking with me, and you TRULY dont enjoy the feeling of MDMA, then the only explaintion is that you are happy all of the time, and too much so. You cant appreciate and enjoy happiness because it has become you. You probably take SSRI's or some stupid shit like that. You need to feel depression sometimes, and then you'll see what I mean...that love and happiness is the greatest feeling on this earth. And that is what MDMA is all about.

One last thing- If you can't stand me, or can't accept my opinions, then don't read my posts. Skip right over them. It's not that hard to do.
 
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4-fa and pentedrone is cheating :D You should be one month serotonin drug free :D
Damn.. Would have thought that cheating is allowed lol.

Anyway after drinking a bit I decided to take 60mg more like 1.5 hours ago, I realize it could make things worse a bit risky but it didn't. :D Actually I'm pretty euphoric right now, despite my fucking main computer disagreeing and BSODs.. still got notebook though AND my brother whom I didnt see for weeks visited so I got someone to talk crap to..
 
Damn.. Would have thought that cheating is allowed lol.

Anyway after drinking a bit I decided to take 60mg more like 1.5 hours ago, I realize it could make things worse a bit risky but it didn't. :D Actually I'm pretty euphoric right now, despite my fucking main computer disagreeing and BSODs.. still got notebook though AND my brother whom I didnt see for weeks visited so I got someone to talk crap to..

Great stuff, glad you're having fun now. Yep powder can kick your ass - quite literally. Lot of time on the loo over the first hour or so ...
 
Yeah you bet, and few mins ago my experienced brother injected me some APB in the nose (not in the vein lol, NEVER gonna IV/IM/whatever with ANY drug) since it cant be directly snorted and woooooow... music is just otherworldly experience now.
Injected probably not right word.. just shot it like a nasal spray from apothecary
 
Very interesting stuff king of beans, atleast I'm not sick of your "Shit". I agree with your points on MDMA and MDA. I don't see how one could like MDA and dislike MDMA, actually I've read from bluelight that a high dose of MDMA breaks down into MDA lol (somewhere a long those lines) Ne ways how would say 125mg - 150mg fare at a club or rave? Too intense? Or very manageable. Just wondering in advance :) :) PLUR
 
Very interesting stuff king of beans, atleast I'm not sick of your "Shit". I agree with your points on MDMA and MDA. I don't see how one could like MDA and dislike MDMA, actually I've read from bluelight that a high dose of MDMA breaks down into MDA lol (somewhere a long those lines) Ne ways how would say 125mg - 150mg fare at a club or rave? Too intense? Or very manageable. Just wondering in advance :) :) PLUR

Thanks xtc4life! We actually got a sane response here! lol I think they just want to start controversy. I've met tons of people who rolled, all of them liked it...now all of a sudden I make a comment on a message board about 100% of people enjoying it, and someone comes on right after convienently saying they don't enjoy it...LOL (I think they just wanted to get me worked up..and they did...lol I'm a firm MDMA supporter. They need to legalize it for PTSD..works wonders for that)


But to answer your question(You're asking of 6APB I assume) it depends on several different factors. Since I am not sure how much I dosed I can't say for sure. From what I know 100 mg's is more than enough. I would guess 125 would be too much for a rave...simply because this drug can knock you on your ass or make you lazy. It's definitely different than MDMA..you may not even have the urge to go to a club when you do it. The best time I had on it was laying down in bed. lol but I'm sure if you put your mind to it, you could go to a club. You just may not want to dance though.

ps- Come back and update us on the experience when you're done! Curious to know how it compares to MDMA(or MDA) for you.
 
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Nope. I actually dislike MDMA as a recreational drug, would never use it again unless I felt it could aid me somehow psychologically to experience that feeling again. MDA on the other hand I'll gladly eat once every 5-9 months or so, most blissful and engaging experience there is IMO. I don't like how you try and act like some kind of authority on the subject either, just for having experienced it. Your reports would have been useful if you had known the dosage, all you have is approximations so for the use of harm reduction your experiences are worthless. You are in here bantering about how you took an unknown dosage of such and such drug.. Somehow with a pompous attitude? I don't get it. I prefer psychedelic experiences to empathogenic ones, which is why MDA suits me better (obviously).

I find your entire presence on this board worthless as you obviously aren't here to forward harm reduction practices or even add to the anecdotal literature regarding psychedelics.. Just bantering and dicksizing.

QuasiModo- Come over here so I can smack you. lol I understand liking MDA better, I personally like MDA better than MDMA as well...because it's stronger and lasts much longer. But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy MDMA. MDMA gives you the most excellent body tingles and euphoria if you get good quality stuff. Nothing in the world compares. 6-apb does not give you that feeling. even MDA does not. If you cannot enjoy MDMA (or you don't like it) Then there is either something wrong with you, or something wrong with the MDMA You're taking. I'm sorry but I think you're full of shit to say that you dont enjoy MDMA. If you like MDA then you would have to like MDMA because both drugs give you the same feeling. One just lasts longer than the other. Now combining the two, that is amazing. One of the best rolls I've had in my life by combining MDA with MDMA. But how can anyone say they dont enjoy the feeling of serotonin releasing in your brain? I can understand certain aspects like, loving your worst enemy may freak some people out. But that is the love of god you are feeling. The love from the universe. MDMA is a beautiful drug and I stand by what I say, anyone would enjoy it, if in the right setting. That means you have to have music of course. MDMA makes music sound so fucking good, It's impossible that anyone would not enjoy it. And Im not trying to sound ignorant, I know how drugs affect everyone differently, but MDMA is the one drug which everyone agrees is good. I've never seen anyone in my entire life who said they don't like MDMA. If they do say that, they're just trying to act cool. You know you like it so stop fooling yourself. (And yes I know MDMA can knock you on your ass, I usually dont even get up to move when Im on it...but you cant say you dont enjoy the feeling and the euphoria from it. If you're being serious, you need to try some music on it. Sounds like you were sitting in the dead silence...which i admitted can kill some weak MDMA rolls. Also it appears you're from Cali. Nothing but weak MDMA around cali lately. Maybe you just haven't had good quality. If you started rolling in the 90's early 2000 then you most likely have had good quality)

This is so fucking childish and ignorant it fucking hurts to read.. First of all Seretonin =/= MDMA. One is obligated to like Seretonin, sure. It might have something to do with the fact that your feelings are very closely tied to Seretonin.. Being under the influence of a seretonin releaser such as MDMA is quite different from the normal functioning of Seretonin. I actually like feeling sober, imagine that! Generally I exist with a feeling of happiness and contentment sans seretonin releasers. Perhaps this is something your heroic-dose riddled mind can't comprehend?

Second.. MDMA =/= happy. Yes, I'm sorry but its true. MDMA won't always make you happy, probably has only given you a plastic feeling of euphoria which you now mistakenly refer to as happiness.. Also just for the record, I've been on 80mgs MDMA in a white Pokeball in 2010 and I was having an awful night, shit I've been on MDA having an awful night too! Why the fuck would I come in here and start a controversy about MDMA? I rarely even ingest empathogens and I couldn't care less about distorting the plethora of views on them with lies.. I only recount my experience here, and that has been that MDMA and even MDA aren't predictable in any kind of a linear sense.. That being said I honestly wish I were stupid enough to live by such a mantra "MDMA=HAPPY".... Christ I could have found nirvana already, eureka! Its so simple!!

I'm not really a hypocrate. I'll explain the difference between what I said and what Quasi said. First, almost everyone would agree that 6-apb makes you trip. Tripping and rolling are not the same. Tripping does not make you happy. You need to be happy already in order to enjoy a trip. It's common knowledge that going into a trip with a bad mindset can only make things worse. However, MDMA on the other hand is all about serotonin, which makes you happy. Since when do people not enjoy being happy? 6-apb certainly may make some people feel like their rolling, but they are not infact rolling (not in my definition). It just can feel similiar to some people...ESPECIALLY Those who are already extremely happy in life. A true roll to me is pure MDMA. And this is entirely different than any psychedelic drug in those senses to where it actually MAKES you happy, you don't need to be happy already before you go into the experience. Everyone I know enjoys the feeling of happiness. Quasi just came on here to start controversy most likely by saying he/she did not enjoy MDMA.
 
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Nope. I actually dislike MDMA as a recreational drug, would never use it again unless I felt it could aid me somehow psychologically to experience that feeling again. MDA on the other hand I'll gladly eat once every 5-9 months or so, most blissful and engaging experience there is IMO. I don't like how you try and act like some kind of authority on the subject either, just for having experienced it. Your reports would have been useful if you had known the dosage, all you have is approximations so for the use of harm reduction your experiences are worthless. You are in here bantering about how you took an unknown dosage of such and such drug.. Somehow with a pompous attitude? I don't get it. I prefer psychedelic experiences to empathogenic ones, which is why MDA suits me better (obviously).

I find your entire presence on this board worthless as you obviously aren't here to forward harm reduction practices or even add to the anecdotal literature regarding psychedelics.. Just bantering and dicksizing.



This is so fucking childish and ignorant it fucking hurts to read.. First of all Seretonin =/= MDMA. One is obligated to like Seretonin, sure. It might have something to do with the fact that your feelings are very closely tied to Seretonin.. Being under the influence of a seretonin releaser such as MDMA is quite different from the normal functioning of Seretonin. I actually like feeling sober, imagine that! Generally I exist with a feeling of happiness and contentment sans seretonin releasers. Perhaps this is something your heroic-dose riddled mind can't comprehend?

Second.. MDMA =/= happy. Yes, I'm sorry but its true. MDMA won't always make you happy, probably has only given you a plastic feeling of euphoria which you now mistakenly refer to as happiness.. Also just for the record, I've been on 80mgs MDMA in a white Pokeball in 2010 and I was having an awful night, shit I've been on MDA having an awful night too! Why the fuck would I come in here and start a controversy about MDMA? I rarely even ingest empathogens and I couldn't care less about distorting the plethora of views on them with lies.. I only recount my experience here, and that has been that MDMA and even MDA aren't predictable in any kind of a linear sense.. That being said I honestly wish I were stupid enough to live by such a mantra "MDMA=HAPPY".... Christ I could have found nirvana already, eureka! Its so simple!!



OK thanks for at least explaining in detail WHY you don't like MDMA..instead of just saying it. Now it's more believable. I guess I can admit not everyone will enjoy MDMA. I wasn't really speaking literally though when I said "everyone". I know there's always that one freak who won't enjoy something that 99.9% of everyone else enjoy. It's just hard to believe that the one person who doesnt enjoy it just happened to read my response and take it so seriously. And what makes you sound more unbelieable is that you say you like MDA, and it's practically the same feeling as MDMA. I still stand by that MDMA will make everyone happy who does it. Again when I say this I mean anyone who is depressed. You love being sober because you're on the high of life. This explains why MDMA doesnt do much for you. BTW Pokeballs are not high quality mdma. For the 2010's it was one of the best pills you could get. But for the history of MDMA, they suck. I bet if you tried some of the pills I had back in 98, you would of liked them. But bottom line, no need to hate me, I admit I was wrong with what I said. I'm human so I'm not perfect...and my english is far from it. I hardly EVER speak in a literal fashion. So don't take everything I say so seriously. Try to read between the lines and understand the hidden messages. lol

The one thing I totally disagree with you about, is when you say MDMA won't always make you happy. It certainly will. You can't speak about that, because you are already happy before you took the drug(You've already admitted it) you've never had any serious long term depression so you don't know what MDMA does to those kind of people. I used to be one of those people...and after taking MDMA for the first time, it changed my life forever. And it does the same to anyone else with PTSD, or depression. The effects last FAR AFTER the comedown. They call this the "afterglow" The effects can last for weeks, or even a lifetime. They make you change your outlook on life. MDMA is a very powerful drug and it is not fake happiness. It is real, as it comes from the chemical in your brain, although it is super intense and it's not normal to be that happy all of the time. God knew what he was doing when he designed our bodies.

PS- You say you like MDA because it's psychedelic. Well it's actually the same feeling as MDMA, just stronger. So how could you say it's the most blissful experience, but dislike MDMA which has the same exact feeling to it? The difference is so slight I wouldn't even notice if it wasn't for the longer duration. MDA releases a bunch of serotonin just like MDMA...this is where the main "high" and blissfulness comes from. It is not a true psychedelic like acid or shrooms. The feeling you get from MDA is almost just like rolling balls on MDMA. MDA does not make you trip. If it did I would hate it. I hate to trip. Let me guess someone is gonna come on here and tell me I'm wrong again. I just get sick of arguing about stupid shit. I know the difference between tripping and rolling...and while I admit drugs affect everyone differently, I've never once heard of anyone rolling from LSD. Same goes with MDMA, you won't hear of anyone tripping from it, because it just doesn't affect the human body that way at all.

So, Quasi...have you ever tried 4-FA..and do you enjoy that? It feels almost like a weak roll, so I want to see how you answer this. Almost everyone enjoys 4-FA that I've asked. And I'm not talking about the comedown or after effects. Just asking how you enjoy the euphoria.

PS- And you talk about harm reduction. I made several questions asking why we cannot source things, because that would help with the harm reduction.
 
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Very sad to see that I come in here because new posts have been made, expecting to get more info on the 6-APB that I ordered only to find two people arguing about a different drug.
 
Very sad to see that I come in here because new posts have been made, expecting to get more info on the 6-APB that I ordered only to find two people arguing about a different drug.

Agreed. We probably need to move this on as a collective. I should have some interesting material on 6-APB with Acid within a month. Also experience with Piracetam is another area of possible exploration. Finally, I'm intrigued to know if anyone has tried pre-loading before taking 6? I have on at least three occasions and it has boosted the experience. Pre-loading is all the rage over on the Ecstasy discussion board, and rightly so. Seems like users of 6 would gain a lot from looking into this subject.

Can we say we're going to move on then? :) Please!
 
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