The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 1)

[Mullered]

this stuff sounds like it would be even better with MDMA Speed makes me dance but it isn't as empathogenic as mdma can be and these two together sound like they would get on like best friends.
Although if i had mdma i'd probably just take that instead, maybe i would try taking them both at the same time but the come up would probably knock me for six.

Should hopefully have a small sample on the way which Im planning on trying thursday night. One thing I will be paying close atention to when I sample is how I think it will be in a (propper) club. However Im not bothered about it being too stimulating as I rarely do much dancing these days; it's more about the socialising in the chill out areas and at the back of the main room. So Im hoping that 6-apb isnt too trippy, but lots of 'loved-upness' and empathy - yes please

 

[Xorkoth]

I have just finished cleaning this whole thread, for the second time. From this moment forward, we will not accept vendor discussion, or price discussion. Price discussion will be removed, and vendor discussion will be infracted and removed. As I said earlier, that's just how it is at BL, there is no vendor discussion. We can't get our modsticks out of our asses and decide to allow it because it's a site-wide rule. If you have a problem with that, start a topic in Support as is appropriate for issues with site policies. And the reason we don't allow it is because plenty of places allow that kind of discussion, but Bluelight strives to be a respected source of reliable information, and if we allow price discussion that will be undermined and we will be seen as a shithole that helps people (and kids) find drugs.

Get it? Good. We really are friendly and nice in PD, and we really do want what is best for the site and the "scene" as a whole. Okay?

Now don't mess this place up again!

 

[GlassCage]

There is so much hype and anticipation regarding 6-APB people seem to be forgetting the very possible health risks with this RC. ... I don't want to hear of anyone getting into difficulties from not taking reasonable precautions.

Totally agree. After 4-MMC was banned I gave myself a big fright by experimenting in a very rash and uncontrolled way with 'M-Butylone'. Had a horrible time with only myself to blame. I consider myself very, very lucky to have got away with it.

I now have some milligram scales and a very different attitude. Fellow meph novices take note: these substances ain't kiddies playthings.

 

[zamzams]

Totally agree. After 4-MMC was banned I gave myself a big fright by experimenting in a very rash and uncontrolled way with 'M-Butylone'. Had a horrible time with only myself to blame. I consider myself very, very lucky to have got away with it.

I now have some milligram scales and a very different attitude. Fellow meph novices take note: these substances ain't kiddies playthings.

i did warn people of that chems inability to do anything other than keep you awake!

Xorkoth, i haven't seen any vendor discussion since it was cleaned or are you referring to a previous page? My guess is that with the many people stopping by here it will need a daily cleaning. Or a change to the title :-

The Big & Dandy DO NOT DISCUSS VENDORS OR WE WILL KILL 'EM ALL 6-APB Thread"

 

[Xorkoth]

Well I cleaned it twice, once a week or two back, and once just within the last hour. There has not been any since the latest cleaning, and I thank anyone who was going to do so and didn't. And you're right, this thread is rather unprecedented in PD, but we will need to give it a daily cleaning, I'm sure.

 

[GlassCage]

Yeah i agree that the combo of 6-APB and amphetamine would be pure bliss, will try that myself soon.

Careful. Combining stimulants is listed in the Bluelight MDA page as having an intermediate (higher) chance of causing problems/toxicity, and since 6-APB is a close analogue of MDA there is at least a theoretical risk.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80283

Having said that, sounds like a very delicious idea indeed at low(ish) doses ...

 

[ysrh]

What's the site policy on temporary bans for people who infringe? Just curious.

 

[Shambles]

No bans for a first offence other than spammers. Depending on the severity of the naughtiness the standard procedure is to edit/remove the post and PM the user to explain why and not to do it again - sometimes with a no point warning too. Do it again (or if it was a more serious violation) earns an infraction with points. After that it's a case of being less lenient and infractions every time - there is an automated system of escalating bans that is triggered when points accrued reach certain levels. Initially just a 3 day temp ban but they can add up very quickly and the user could be looking at several months on temp ban for repeated rule breaking if they don't sort themselves out sharpish.

 

[Shambles]

Three posts removed. No vendor talk, folks. Not even the kind that just got deaded. Mods are taking a far stricter line on any inappropriate posts now so please respect that, folks.

 

[zamzams]

Shambles, on your most recent sample how did the effects differ (if at all) from the first batch? Or do you think it was just due to the impurities that showed up in the GC/MS results from the first batch?

 

[Shambles]

It's hard to explain the exact differences, but it basically felt a lot "cleaner" and more potent and harder hitting than the tan batch. 100mg of the tan would be a good, solid dose. Once the "new and improved" synth goes into full production I suspect the mg per pellet number will drop to maybe around 75mg as that would be around the same intensity as 100mg of the tan samples - possibly even with slightly more kick even. I believe (possibly wrongly) that the initial pellets may consist of the tan variety (which is hardly shit as it is) and will switch to the newer synth as soon as is practical.

 

[invert]

So the original, tan, samples were at best 75% purity (by your subjective estimation, Shambles)? Isn't that quite a surprisingly high level of impurity for a product being treated as ready to be sampled? But perhaps I'm being naive about the quality of the chemistry behind the distribution of such things.

 

[THCDunc]

So the original, tan, samples were at best 75% purity (by your subjective estimation, Shambles)? Isn't that quite a surprisingly high level of impurity for a product being treated as ready to be sampled? But perhaps I'm being naive about the quality of the chemistry behind the distribution of such things.

I think the general consensus over in ADD was around 95% purity judging from NMR results (I think it was NMR can't remember exactly). I think that figure referred to the tan sample but i'm not 100%.

 

[Shambles]

I honestly don't know the details, Invert. I did post the NMR analysis which showed the exact composition of the tan stuff both in this thread and the ADD one. I really don't understand that stuff but the impression that I got from those that do was that the tan stuff was much better produced, purer and higher quality than the vast majority of mass-market RCs currently available but not truly "pure" as there were traces of impurities still present. The figures I gave for comparison are purely subjective guesstimates based on very little experience with either version. Personally, I would be comfortable and quite happy to take either version but the newer version would be the one I went for if given a choice. Compared with, for example, mephedrone even the tan batch was like god's own jism in terms of purity.

 

[zamzams]

. Compared with, for example, mephedrone even the tan batch was like god's own jism in terms of purity.

well anything's better than smelling of methylamine for days on end.

 

[w3x1c0]

good to see the thread cleared up.

 

[infestedpasta]

does 6-apb fall under the US analogue act?

 

[The Smoking Man]

does 6-apb fall under the US analogue act?

The analogue act is ridiculously vague to the point where its constitutionality is questionable. So vague that I'd bet pretty much any biologically active/therapeutically useful substance could be caught under it if the judicial branch says so. (It's just a convenient loophole the DEA pushed through to further undermine legislative due process.) Fortunately, its vagueness is also its weakness. Basically chems that could fall under it but no cases involving it have been yet prosecuted (and therefore no judicial precedent regarding it has been set) are in a "gray area" rather than straight-up illegal. Now, if you're unlucky enough to be one of the first people to be prosecuted for having a chem in the gray area which could really end up being the case, you're probably fucked. Otherwise, you're good, for the time being at least. Trying to import a chem in pellet form like 6-APB is supposed to be initially offered as is probably a bad idea, though, since that'd make it pretty much impossible to claim you're not acquiring it with the intent of human consumption should customs notice.

 

[DIDI]

That sounds like a similar situation to us .

 

[fryingsquirrel]

I think there is litle dought this would be considered an analog in the US. That doesn't mean they will prosecute someone for personal use quantities. Legally they can, but in practice it's vendors they go after. Which is why all except low profile e-mail only vendors. are in other countries. You aren't gonna see this in US headshops (unless they are total morons), but ordering it isn't really dangerous. But I wonder about the decision to put this in pills. Sure it's convient especially for people without milligram scales, but how do you argue they aren't for human consumption?