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The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 1)

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well regardless of what it is, if you end up having to talk to police about a gram or two of white powder in a baggie in your pocket you're gonna go to jail. I would just get myself bailed out, plea not guilty, and when they test it, hopefully it won't show up as anything illegal, then the prosecutor would likely drop the case. Unless you've got a metricfuckton, they probably won't look at it too closely. Probably just think you're some schmuck with bunk drugs.
 
In the absence of any good nickname I think one should stick to something that relies on the structure and is less ridiculous sounding. A synonym for benzofuran is coumarone, so perhaps one could call this something deriving from that like coumaronamine (too long) or coumamine or couronamine (coronamine?)... Pretty much anything but benzo-fury.

Anyway, we should stick to 6-APB if we can.
 
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I think you would have to prove that it has some other useful use other than being used as a recreational drug (Human consumption).
Im not sure the Police would be believing you if your stopped coming out of a club at 3am with 2g 6-APB in your pocket and you tell them youve only got it to fertilize your plants when you get home !!:)

I think it will have to go to a test case where it will be decided illegal/legal irrespective whether for human consumption or not....

Wouldn't it be on them to prove you were consuming it? And anyways, doesn't the chemical in question have to be "structuraly similar" to an already scheduled substance? Does 6-APB qualify? I know 6-APDB is another name for 4-desoxy-MDA, so is 6-APB also related to MDA?
 
Wouldn't it be on them to prove you were consuming it? And anyways, doesn't the chemical in question have to be "structuraly similar" to an already scheduled substance? Does 6-APB qualify? I know 6-APDB is another name for 4-desoxy-MDA, so is 6-APB also related to MDA?

Im not a lawyer, so am just offering a possible answer, but Im pretty sure that this drug would be covered by the analogue law anyway - apart from the "Not for human consumption" getout. So it would follow that if you used as a defence that you were using it to "fertilize plants" for instance, then I guess the substance would have to be tested to see if there was any real use or benifit of using it as such.

I wouldnt like to be the one to put that defense to the test - but Im sure someone will at some point. In any case I would have thought it would be covered by the analogue law in being "similar" or having "similar effects" to MDA/MDMA....



Mmmm...If its legal right now I have a feeling it wont remain that way....

From Wiki :

(ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II

And :

On the other hand under part C(iv), none of this applies if it can be proven that the substance is not intended for human consumption. It is unclear which way the burden of proof would lie, i.e. whether the defendant would have to prove that the substance was not for human consumption, or if the prosecution would have to prove that the substance was for human consumption. Normally the burden of proof rests on the prosecution, but this is not always the case for certain offences such as those involving drugs or terrorism.

IN FULL
 
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Tried this at 4pm today, it's still going good. Very psychedelic when smoked with cannabis. Details tomorrow (Y) The writing on the screen is becoming wavy ahah x
 
Wouldn't it be on them to prove you were consuming it? And anyways, doesn't the chemical in question have to be "structuraly similar" to an already scheduled substance? Does 6-APB qualify? I know 6-APDB is another name for 4-desoxy-MDA, so is 6-APB also related to MDA?

6-APB is an MDA analogue and therefore covered by the US analog act. It's 'nearly' structuraly identical infact.
 
Based on these reports it's clear that this compound generates a remarkably unique blend of effects that i'd imagine many would find extremely pleasurable (including myself). However, one can't help but think whether this will be a short lived honeymoon, as with 4-MMC, or does it have that special something to make it one of the greats? Basically, I'm just curious whether it can be predicted at this point as to if and how far 6-APB will spread into the underground scene, and if us poor experimenters across the Atlantic will ever get to taste some.
 
Got a small sample of this and I'm very impressed.......

I'm a big guy with loads of usage of different things.

Took a 50mg bomb and then another 50mg about 45 mins later as I wasn't feeling much.

Then about 15 mins laters had a nice mild come up followied by the last 6 or 7 hours of beiing proper mashed. Very good......as good as MDMA I think! Got to do this in a club tho but this in the one!

Was coming to a end a little but done a line or two of E2/nrg2 now and we're straighht back up with it!!
 
Evening, all. Another lil update. I finally got some much needed sleep around 24 hours after dosing. I can't say for sure that that amount of residual stimulation will be common of course (cos one test is nowhere near enough and other drugs and circumstances were involved) but a number of people have mentioned similarly extended stimulation so benzos (of the less furious variety) or similar may be useful if you need to draw things to a close sooner. Personally I don't think it's a big problem as it never felt unpleasant to me as is often the case with other drugs that linger long after the peak has faded, there is no fiending or desire to redose as far as I can see, and will help to reduce the likelihood of abuse perhaps.

Was woken by some idiot ringing my door at 1AM and couldn't get back to sleep but still feel okay - no real crash noted at all considering how high I was last night. Pleasantly surprised :)

Oh yes, and the lizard was finally draining as normal by mid-afternoon yesterday. First proper piss that I recall since dosing was quite a relief but there really wasn't any discomfort despite the long wait and, other than the headache, no obvious signs of significant dehydration. Kinda strange but didn't feel worrisome, to be honest.

What in the fuck happened here? This is the first time I've opened this thread and I only did so because I was surprised to see a number higher than 1,100 in the replies column. :\



I think using this thread for finding information is a hopeless cause unless you are truly enthusiastic about said chemical.

Would it be a good idea to make a new thread based on actual info and keep the socializing and music sharing to PD social?

One of the facts I guess you didn't get a chance to pull from this overgrown thread is that a new and proper B&D thread will be started very soon. It's just that with the sheer volume of posting - at some points I'd reply to a post above me and by the time I posted it it was a page a half later 8o - that it just seems impractical to do until the first flush of excitement dies down a bit. There's plenty of good info here but a fuckload of stuff we don't want so us mods are gonna half to go through it all first and then make sure the new thread stays on track.

As for the socialising and music, several people here were tripping on a brand new drug and it seems thousands were avidly following it. Really was a bit of a party cos whilst only a few were on it the others were getting a contact high. When you sample it yourself you will understand ;)

Tried this at 4pm today, it's still going good. Very psychedelic when smoked with cannabis. Details tomorrow (Y) The writing on the screen is becoming wavy ahah x

I may have misunderstood, but do you mean you smoked the 6-APB as well or smoked weed and dosed orally (or in another way)? And glad you are enjoying it too =D

Based on these reports it's clear that this compound generates a remarkably unique blend of effects that i'd imagine many would find extremely pleasurable (including myself). However, one can't help but think whether this will be a short lived honeymoon, as with 4-MMC, or does it have that special something to make it one of the greats? Basically, I'm just curious whether it can be predicted at this point as to if and how far 6-APB will spread into the underground scene, and if us poor experimenters across the Atlantic will ever get to taste some.

A couple of Americans have mentioned that they have been told they will receive samples but none seem to have received them yet. Hopefully just down to international post being a bit slow (it only landed in the UK a coupla days ago). Seems like a few may be in luck but once it's in full production I would imagine it will be similar to the cathinones in that it will be sent but at your own responsibility as far as legal risk goes.

As for it becoming big on the underground scene, there obviously won't be any underground chemists producing it initially as it seems like it may be relatively tricky to produce (I may be totally wrong cos I ain't no chemist) and no synth has been published as far as I know (again I may well be mistaken). I really do expect that it will be a massive hit with users though and will get very big very quickly if supply can keep up with demand. I could honestly see it becoming some peoples' DOC for partying - it's that nice that some may well even choose it over MDMA 8o

Guys, as much as we as bluelighters don't want a nickname and as ridiculous as 'benzo fury' is, nothing we say about it is going to change the way they advertise it. quick internet searching as found me 15 vendors advertising it, and at least 12 or 13 of those are all using the 'benzo fury' name.

Sadly I have to agree. I think the silly name will probably stay which is a shame as it will inevitably draw unnecessary attention to it and confuse some people. And all I will say on the vendor thing is that nowhere near that many will have it. There will be a lot of scammers :\

So I actually looked at the structure and effects profile.. sounds like something right up my alley :)

From knowing the kinda drugs you like, I'm pretty sure you'll love it =D
 
Morning Guys

I have received my sample of approx 100mg this morning.

Its taken all my strength to not just bosh it now, allergy test already done!!

My question is does anyone think I have enough to split and share with my gf. Having read the reports from the last few days it seemed as if a few people dosed too low and did not quite get the strength of high others reported, and I don't really want to waste the sample.

Do you think I should do it myself so I get a decent idea of the effects or should I just stop being so selfish??

I think she'd understand....hopefully.
 
6-APB is an MDA analogue and therefore covered by the US analog act. It's 'nearly' structuraly identical infact.
What's the exact criteria in the analogue act that defines what a structural analogue is?
I'm not sure mate but if you take a look at the structure of both compunds you will see there is only the smallest of differences between the two.
I dont know how useful these posts will be as i think they are all refering to UK law, but i'd been closely following the legality discussion so thought i'd post a list of posts that might be useful. (opinions are mixed, some say legal some say otherwise, and some people may be refering to 6-apdb)
neither apdb nor apb are covered, because the catch all law requires alkyl, alkoxy, alkylenedioxy or halide substituents in the ring, which is why 4-mta was not illegal until specifically added.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=8486944&postcount=1096


The other implication of this is that where there is some ambiguity and debate as to whether 6-APDB would be illegal or not in the UK, 6-APB is definitely legal as the double bond means there's no way that the furan ring can be counted as an alkoxy substituent.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=8413611&postcount=165


And theres also lots of information if you read from here to about the bottom of that page.

You'd also do well by searching the thread for alkoxy or alkyl, etc as they normally turn up posts with people talking about the chemical structure in relation to its legality
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/search.php?searchid=5294766

Also these two posts (i think) are both claiming it is illegal:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=8416662&highlight=alkoxy#post8416662
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=8486944&highlight=alkoxy#post8486944
 
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I'll certainly try my best to do a full TR. Never done one before but I'll try to be disciplined and keep a track of everything.

One other thing... From others experience of the residual stimulation and the insomnia, and the fact I have work on Monday morning, should I be dosing nice and early today to make sure I can get my head down at some point. Does anyone feel particularly bad today or is the general consensus that the crash is easier than MDMA??
 
My report

My first post on here - I blagged a vendor for a sample by saying I'd report honestly on Bluelight - after his kind response, and after trying it I feel obliged to - but I'm not a shill (what would be the point with a sustance that actually works?)

This is just an initial report with ~33mg of 6APB - I'd been at a party on thursday night (it were a bit rubbish) where I'd indulged a fair bit. Next day after not much sleep (30 minutes) I arrived home to find a 200mg sample.

I didn't want to do a full dose cos I wouldn't have a fair judgement so I decided to split 100mg between me and two friends (I weighed the 100mg, but then eyeballed it into 3 (I know! it was after a party)). A letter with the sample suggested to 'not inhale', but I lined it up anyway just to see (I hadn't checked this thread) - I tentatively sniffed a tiny bit, and that was enough! (painful) - so I dabbed the rest . Smells and tastes funny (like perfume), but taste in the mouth isn't too bad (slightly sweet). My conclusion: DONT SNORT.
(my friend snorted the whole lot (he's like that) and got some bleeding, though he still had an effect)

I wasn't really expecting much more than a tingle, but was very pleasantly surprised - we were all hit by the ~33mg and were chatting for several hours. I'd say the full effect lasted at least 4-5 hours, but I was still feeling nice from it 10 hours later (though a bit tired).
We all really liked the effect - it was euphoric, chatty a bit psychedelic (not particularly visual, but things did have a look of unreality), but always felt clean. I felt I could have definitely done more, but I still enjoyed it. At no point did I want to do any more (not cos I felt it was too much, just cos it was satisfying). Next morning after 8 hours sleep, I feel a bit heavy-headed, but that's expected after the party.

It was a nice effect from a surprisingly small bit - maybe being knackered after the party (and no sleep, no food) potentiated the effect.

I can only make the proper judgement of this when I do a larger amount on a clear head (I'll obviously wait a week for this).
 
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I took about 80mg orally at 11.20. Was reading this thread to kill time waiting for it to have an effect. Killing time has worked, I just started to feel quite an intense come up. Faster than I expected, I was expecting to have to wait an hour.

Doesn't feel nice yet -- a bit nauseous and dizzy, but it's not uncomfortable per se, probably because it feels quite similar to MDMA, where you know something good is about to start. I'll be back with more info!
 
Morning Guys

I have received my sample of approx 100mg this morning.

Its taken all my strength to not just bosh it now, allergy test already done!!

My question is does anyone think I have enough to split and share with my gf. Having read the reports from the last few days it seemed as if a few people dosed too low and did not quite get the strength of high others reported, and I don't really want to waste the sample.

Do you think I should do it myself so I get a decent idea of the effects or should I just stop being so selfish??

I think she'd understand....hopefully.

I split 100mg with three (see report above) - while I can't wait to do the other 100 to myself (I got the lucky 200), it was still a really nice time, and lasted hours (with the caveats in the report) - but it's your call (I'd've taken it all myself if I only had 100)
 
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