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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-DiPT Thread

Infinite Numbers of Occasional Tables

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> Don't forget guys that not all the entries in PIHKAL
> and TIHKAL are his and Ann's. People tend to think
> they wrote them all.
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Not me. I think the 7 mg. report is Sasha's, but I think the 12 mg. report is from someone else. Could be wrong though.
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> Some are from people in his inner circle
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Well, I know the person who wrote the two highest dose reports for alpha,O-DMS in *Tihkal*.
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Cheers,
Cliff
 
why someone would want to have sex with someone that is shitting all over the sheets is beyond me. next please
 
Me No Make No Poopy

^^^^^^

Not everyone gets that. As much as I talk bad about 5-MeO-DiPT, it thankfully spared me of that all three times I took it. The dosages I took were 6 mg, 8 mg, and 11 mg.

I have also given it to two others at 6 mg, and 8 mg and neither had any problems. So either not everyone gets intestinal disorders from 5-MeO-DiPT, or it only occurs in dosages above 12 mg.
 
"He states that at low doses Foxy greatly enhances his orgasm intensity without the mental effects of other psychedelics. I guess it's up to you as to whether or not you consider that worthless"

your right about the low dose enhancment,but if you read the article he says that it still has no psychedelic value and at normal doses its not constructive at all and he "keeps it out of his medicine bag"
 
Even Shulgin can be wrong

I'd have to strongly disagree with Dr. Shulgin there. The only time I really enjoyed 5-MeO-DiPT was when I took 6 mg with my best friend and we had an evening of non-stop insightful and deep conversations. 5-MeO-DiPT can be psychedelic in small doses. It just depends on the setting. It was for me.

My only problem was after 3 hr, this nervous energy kicked in, the body-load. It just isn't worth it. I'd rather eat a gram of mushrooms and feel good the whole time. The effect would be similiar.
 
^^^^ i guess when you come down to it,its all subjective,right?
I mean mushrooms can make some feel pretty nasty too, nausea is pretty common for me on the comeup,.not too much unlike amt,.just less intense.
 
I've never gotten nausea from mushrooms, yet I do tend to get sick on many other things. Many psychedelics (especially PEAs) tend to make me puke. But those mushrooms! They are the perfect psychedelic for me in terms of how I feel on them. They feel so good and 'natural.' My body doesn't feel like it's on a drug. I love them. Yeah, it amazes me how differently we all react differently sometimes.
 
mushrooms won't let me smoke ciggs. :) i'll try and i can feel my lungs being poisoned and screaming out for help,.lol the only times i throw up is when i try to ignore it and the smoke makes me gag. it sucks because your brain still says it wants the nictotine,.its a vicious battle. only happens on mushees too,.they always know best,i suppose :)
 
5-Meo-Dipt Research

Does anyone know if any "offical" studies or research has recently be done on 5-meo-dipt due to it surfacing in society, mainly as a mdma substitue in the club scene ect. What, if anything, is really know about this substance.
I didn't really like it. Too wild for me.
 
dUdE, fOxY iS lIkE SoOoO fIvE mInUtEs AgO.

What, if anything, is really know about this substance.
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Well, the US gov't "knows" that its "bad" because it was found in "ecstasy" tablets and it was associated with the "rave" scene8).

Sorry, I have no real input. I despise 5-MeO-DiPT, I could give a rats ass about any studies pertaining to it.

You thought it was "too wild"?
 
Uh Oh, I did it Again

Assembled some of the non-redundant threads on 5-MeO-DiPT and have made a new Big and Dandy thread. It is interesting to see it go from an almost common street drug in 2001 to it's recent scheduling. Too bad Bluelight was purged in 2001. It would be neat so see the threads on 5-MeO-DiPT from 1999 and early 2000, before it got popular.
 
Down to my last few milligrams... ashame I won't be seeing any much more of this great recreational hallucinogen. I've done it more than any other entheogen excluding marijuana; and it's seen me through into maturaty as a full-fledged psychonot.

Foxy... I miss you!
 
^^^ What he said. But I ran out long ago.

My preferred dosage was 20mg, and I've had some great times (none unpleasant, and only one or two with GI problems). I have a few friends who have taken insane dosages of 35-40mg, and they describe an interesting effect. They can feel each thought as a bubble coming to the surface, and when they think it, they feel the bubble pop.
 
I must really be a soft-head with tryptamines. I found that just a mere 8 mg of 5-MeO-DiPT was all I needed to reach a full +3.

6 mg produced a fairly enjoyable and mellow trip that was nice for deep discussions with a close friend. But the space that resulted from ingesting 5-MeO-DiPT was still never that special. There was nothing with 5-MeO-DiPT that another tryptamine could not do better.

I never felt a need/desire to take more 8 mg of 5-MeO-DiPT, and the shitty body-load and largely useless headspace the drug produced when I took it kept me from ever trying that material more than a few times. The last time I tried it was in April of 2001 and I have no desire to use it again.

I can't imagine that people would want/need to take 30 mg or 40 mg of that drug. That would be sheer torture in my eyes!

The most 5-MeO-DiPT I ever took was 11 mg, and that trip was terrible! It was my first try. The body-load was so horrendous, I basically spent the entire time just waiting/wishing for it to end. The only part I found interesting was the auditory distortions it produced. They were very intense and somewhat un-nerving.

I think it was because I was not expecting them. I rather enjoyed the auditory distortions DiPT produced, though I will point out that the auditory distortions produced by DiPT and 5-MeO-DiPT are not the same, but I really don't know how to explain the differences.

I've shared 5-MeO-DiPT with three other people, and only one of them really enjoyed the experience. At 8 mg, she found it to be very MDMA-like and positive, which I will never understand. But it shows that our bodies are all different, and each will react differently to molecules that affect perception.

If anyone is interested, all of my 5-MeO-DiPT experiences are documented at erowid.
 
5-meo-Dipt

I want to ask the people that have taken 5meodipt. How did you like it? All the reports that i have read on here and erowid say its incredibaly psychedelic. I have taken it twice, the first time i took 6mg. Within a hour i felt kinda spaced out w/ a warm sensation in my chest, and i had very mild cevs. and the 1st two hours everything lookd wierd , like kinda perceptual , like i get on mush.i took and extra 4mg booster dose 2 1/2hrs after and it didnt seem to change the trip much. It felt just like wierd headspace w/ minor visuals. I was cleareheaded no mindfuck. The next day i took 10mg , only to have a less psychedelic night than b4, i assume bc of tolerance.

Also i had taken AMT 20mg on friday, 45mg on sat. I took the 5meo monday night. I didnt really think that they have a cross tolerance but theyre both tyrptamines so idk. HOw crazy does it get? ive got the impression now that its pretty mild. I had absolutly no ill effects like people have described. What are the 12-16mg trips like?

Again, the night that i took 6mg w/ a 4mg booster my friend was with me he is also jus as expierenced as me w/ psychedelics, esp. chems. he took 6mg and reported the same feelings i did, and we both decided to take a booster dose i took 4mg and he took 3mg. This totaly changed his trip.w/in 5 mins his legs were shaking/trembling violently, he said that it felt like some exorcist shit, he said his muscles were spazming in ways tha they shouldnt, and it felt like he was brake a bone or something.it lasted for about 15mins, Idk what happened i assume its just a fluke accident. i put my 4mg booster on my tounge and let it soak in for 20 mins and he just straight up swallowed the powder, idk if that had ne thing to do with it,
 
Hi


I have used it a few times. Twice in important amounts... it is active even at a 1-2mg dose but i don't want to get into those experiences here...

First time: 20-25mg (unsure). Context: 75mg MDMA taken, this is measured and ingested durig the peak. +/-10mg accracy scale but as I was off my head I'd forgotten about that and I had the intention to take around 2mg Foxy, not 20+...:o uncomfortable muscular tension, odd headspace, nice auditory distortions... serious GI upset... my wife had serious body load... it generally wasn't that much fun, until we had sex much later, still up at T+10. That was truly amazing, but it also felt a bit like death. All the blood circulation seemd down there, and our bodie seemed sort of dead except for 'down there' - we seemed to have become outr genitals8o ... next day very nice though... the relief was so peaceful nd the forest walk was very rewarding. Only, my wife kept saying, what happened to the E buzz after we dropped the foxy?

never again that dose.

the other time I took around 8 mgs with a friend along with a few beers at a festival.... even had lots of food before.... because of the gastric upset I was going to fast this time... but... too hungry suddenly... and this time there was no problem at all.... we had a good time... some cool visuals seeing streetlights reflected in the river, which had a new kind of depth... it looke dmore like a not-river ;) ... anyway, it didn't give either of us the energy wanted to stay keen on the party... a bit up and down... like it was MDEA or some such thing... haven't been bothered to take it since... only way might be between 3 and 5mgs in a home setting for cuddles and stuff, I guess.
 
I have now read this entire thread, and as an experienced and admittedly enthusiastic user, I shall now add an additional perspective.

I have used 5-MeO-DiPT numerous times, and I sought it out specifically on the strength of reports by "researchers of erotic consciousness" (eroto-nauts?) who found it to be a powerful ally in this realm. My interest in the drug was motivated by a search for tools for sexual exploration. In this I haven't been disappointed.

I don't believe in the placebo theory of this drug's aphrodisiacal properties, nor that it is hype originating in a few high-profile accounts of erotic enhancement. I have read very cogent descriptions by cautious and responsible researchers that corelate very closely with my own experience, and support an alternative to the placebo/hype theory, which may be summarized as follows:

Positive experiences with the drug often seem to take place with "highly sexual people" who find powerful eroticism intrinsically meaningful and useful, and not a waste of time or psychologically disturbing in some way. I have also read reports of experiences that began negatively, but turned positive when sex was (even reluctantly) pursued. In this respect the drug is analogous to Viagra, which does not motivate sex, but can facilitate it. A bit subtle.

Persons who expect a drug to "cause" sexual experiences but who do not provide the kindling spark of expressing sexual intent as a manifestation of themselves, will probably be disappointed with sexual "amplifiers" like 5-MeO-DiPT.

Learning to enjoy a drug is always a matter of mastering one's own nervous system. Think of the first time you drank coffee. There is probably no drug that does not have side effects, and the very qualities that make 5-MeO-DiPT valuable for amplifying sexual chemistry, make it a candidate for amplifying the unwanted chemistries of other body processes, such as, famously, intestinal peristalsis.

The book has not been written on how optimally to take this drug, but such things as fasting, taking the drug in the morning, taking it in conjunction with sexual pursuits, and of course, making sure that the drug is pure, titrating the dose upward attentively, patiently, carefully, conservatively, etc., etc., all increase the likelihood of a positive experience.

Finally, the difference between 5 mg and 20 mg has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread, but it cannot be stressed enough. Everyone knows that is not the same experience to drive a car at 30 mph as to drive it at 130 mph. Our built-in limitations of information processing make a slow Sunday drive in the country relaxing and pleasurable, whereas a race through heavy traffic downtown is extremely stressful as well as more dangerous. Same car.

My conclusion is that this drug is very valuable for a very specific purpose, but that it is more resistant than most to being asked to do things it wasn't made for.

Hope this connects.
 
intojoy said:
Positive experiences with the drug often seem to take place with "highly sexual people" who find powerful eroticism intrinsically meaningful and useful, and not a waste of time or psychologically disturbing in some way. I have also read reports of experiences that began negatively, but turned positive when sex was (even reluctantly) pursued.
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Are you suggesting that only people who are very sexual, not afraid of the nature of sex, their bodies, their lover's body, and have no hang-ups about sex are going to find 5-MeO-DiPT a "sexual aid?"

Cause no offense, but that is a bunch of crap. I don't mean to brag, or sound vein, but I am a very highly sexual person. I am completely comfortable with all aspects of myself and my sexuality. I do not have any hang-ups about sex or any sexual acts, unless they involve live electrical wires! 8o

On other psychedelics; when I take them with my girlfriend they usually lead to hours-long marithon sex. I find sex under psychedelics both rewarding and pleasurable to the senses, as well as spiritual rewarding. I think sex is a sacred act, and since I only have sex with someone I love, making love while tripping can be a very cosmic event for me. Of the over two-dozen psychedelics I've tried, I have made love on nearly all of them. I find psychedelics in general to be great sexual enhancers.

5-MeO-DiPT however was terrible. Though I only took dosages between 6mg and 11mg, I found the body-load to be more than I can handle. Sex was out of the question. Never before has a psychedelic made engaging in sexual activity impossible like 5-MeO-DiPT did.

So perhaps your theory may be true for some. But again, I consider myself a very sexual person and I have no "hang ups" about it. I am completely free with my body, and I feel completely at one with my lover. Sex has always been a part of the psychedelic experience for me, because I usually trip with my girlfriend.

But again, the bodyload of 5-MeO-DiPT makes sex impossible for me, and the effects of the molecule in general not to be very rewarding. And this is not because I have don't view eroticism as, "intrinsically meaningful and useful, and not a waste of time or psychologically disturbing in some way." In fact I do find the gifts of the flesh to be both rewarding and meaningful. Making love is very meaningful and spiritual for me. And making love is something I associate with the psychedelic experience because I have sex most of the times I trip. But 5-MeO-DiPT just doesn't work for me. I'd best describe it as a "bodyload, with minor psychedelic side-effects."

I think any theory that is so "cut and dry" and "black and white" like this; a theory that is thought to apply to everyone a flawed theory at best. Psychedelics by nature are variable in the way the affect people. You can't come up with a specific "one size fits all" reason why some find 5-MeO-DiPT to be a treasure, and others find it garbage. It isn't so simple.
 
Thank you, m-g-seed, for your thoughtful reply, and no offense taken. Theories need to be revised in light of new data, and mine was certainly simplistic.

I was aware of the implications in my theory, that 1) all sex-positive people will respond positively to 5-MeO-DiPT, and 2) persons who do not respond positively to 5-MeO-DiPT are uptight about sex. I decided to put the theory out there in its most sweeping and general form, and I am grateful for the opportunity to fine-tune it and to separate that which is "true for me" from "that which is universally true", the latter being perhaps almost meaningless in the context of highly individual brain chemistries.

It is nevertheless hard for me to let go of the idea that there is some specific action of the chemical and some corresponding faculty of the human brain that people who try the drug find either meaningful or not meaningful. This is to suggest that whether the drug is "good" or not is a matter ultimately of choice (taste?) rather than due to either 1) significantly differing responses at the biochemical level, or 2) suggestibility/succeptibility to placebo/hype.

I am handicapped, as are most of us, by not equipped to judge how the molecule might behave differently in different individuals at the neurobiological level, so, I have to start with the simplifying premise that the drug does the same thing to everybody. I just say, milk is milk, even though I know that some people are lactose intolerant, and some people have had traumatizing experiences with a cow, and so forth. So let's just say that the experience under discussion is "that body of subjective experiences that >= 50% of people report who have taken this drug at a given well-defined dosage", i.e., that we are talking about more or less the same experience. And just for discussion's sake, let's say that in talking about this "effect" of the drug, we are correcting for purely external psychological variables such as "hype". Let's say, in short, that we can talk about the drug as a single, quantifiable, describable entity, at least to the extent that any experience is such.

The diplomatic thing to say is that those who have had positive experiences have accessed some subjectively useful quality in the drug, and that those who find it to be "garbage" do not find this property useful. But surely there is room for discussion beyond "either you like it or you don't", otherwise why bother with this forum?

Would those people who have found the drug to be "crap", "worthless", etc., mind if those of us who are still interested in the drug tried to get a line on understanding it better? This is not to discount the value of negative feedback or to attempt to silence the drug's critics (especially those who might think it is patently harmful). Do those of us who enjoy this chemical have nothing important to say, nothing to learn about each other, nothing in common (beyond, again, some ultimately meaningless biochemical or enzymatic similarity?)

[Insert blanket disclaimer of my own extremely limited expertise and plea for tolerance and civility here...]

Having sprayed myself with a bit more flame-retardant, let me say again that I am curious about what the drug's salient property is for those who find it useful. Is, for example, that which has been called "body-load" (a very imprecise term anyway which lumps together all dysphoric somatic phenomena) the very attibute that positive-responders have found not only manageable, but controllable, amenable to shaping, and conducive to some desired psychic space?

It has been suggested that 5-MeO-DiPT lacks empathogenic qualities per se. I would like to hypothesize that this limits its value as a "sex aid" if one's primary criterion for judging such an aid is its ability to facilitate interpersonal emotional exchanges with one's partner, (recognizing that for some, maybe even most, emotional intimacy is the sine qua non of sex). But what about 5-MeO-DiPT as a tool for exploring one's own body's responses? I hope no one will be offended if I broach the topic of masturbation and treat it as something differentiable from sex as an interpersonal activity.

My question is, has anyone else used this drug expressly (even if not exclusively) for the purpose of exploring intense and lucid masturbation? I am only asking, if appropriate, whether anyone has found it useful in this context.

[My lawyer tells me that I should forestall any perception, unintended suggestion, or implication that I think that people who don't like 5-MeO-DiPT are uptight about masturbation.]

Again, is it naive and simplistic to try to further define the essence of what this drug accesses in persons who like it and use it? I hope not.
 
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