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The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-DALT Thread

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erowid is a good place to start.... as for individual dose... i think you have to do your own research, maybe a little more than what you did.

because then you will see that many just start low, usually at what tihkal or similar souces speak of, and then increase as they see fit. there are many trip reports indeed, and some take reseach to the extreme, but there is some good indications at what the proper dosages are for this, as it is one of the more common chems out there...

and not to seem like a big tease, just some useful info.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dalt/5meo_dalt_info1.shtml
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=146249

you will also see that most doses are under ~60mg, but over 10mg.

do not go for extreme doses, try to get to know the substance. you never know what the vendor sent for sure, nor what the current batch potency is.
try to stay safe
 
I follow what you're saying. And I usually do stick with Tihkal or Pihkal. What caused me to post this thread is the huge disparity in the info. Can't wrap my mind around the idea that something active in the 20mg range is doabe ...without some unpleasant memories..at 200mg or survivable at 500
 
it isnt that uncommon actually (and unfortunately). some people either mistakenly or stupidly decide to take huge doses of chems and then tell their stories, so that others may learn from their mistakes. There are reports of people ingesting upwards of 150mg of 2ce and coming out ok in the end. But just because there are some stories like this doesnt mean the doseage is changed. the individual tolerance and sensitivity to chem is also quite variable.

The disparity is artificially enhanced by the fact that the majority of users, in the low-normal dose range, dont write reports, either separate or in the dedicated threads, so a lot of average trips get lost.

that being said, start low. see what the potency is, see what the effects are, and then try to compare the effects profile with other reports, to see where you stand. a little patience goes a long way
 
5-MeO-DALT isn't strong psychedelic at 15-30 mg, it gives me enjoyable feeling of well-being, slight visuals and empathy. I am sure, many people prefer stronger trips, so there is nothing surprising that they do high doses.

Also, there was the report of cathinones being sold as 5-MeO-DALT, there were reports of other chemical being sold mislabeled. So I wouldn't be surprised if some of 5-MeO-DALT on the market is cut with something else(or isn't 5-MeO-DALT at all).

Anyhow, it is wise to start low, I'd recommend to start in 20-30 mg range, especially if you prefer dosage ranger from PiHKAL/TiHKAL.
 
always wondered why some need over 100mg to get a trip out of this chemical, while others enjoy it at under 50. i wonder if it is batch quality, or maybe personal sensitivity/ tolerance or maybe just what people expect from it? (for instance some want a full on trip with visuals and psychedelia, while others prefer/ expect mellowness and gentle patters with only mild psychedelia)

and as a potentiator... little experience with it, but it does go well smoked during longer acting chems just to perk up a trip on the comedown
 
I'm also testing this compound at the moment.

I started smoking small hits, perhaps 1mg - 3mg sprinkled on very weak Thai weed. Using weak herb helps identify the 5-meo-dalt hit from the marijuana hit. Smoked hits were ermmm odd. Tryptamine headspace, sometimes quite intense & not necessarilly pleasant, but not unpleasantly evil or anything. Just... tense around the head & neck. Eventually an accurately measured 5mg dose was smoked on two or 3 bongs. This caused a greater effect but similar as I've just described with perhaps a little stimulation present. None of these effects lasted more than a few minutes. No visuals obvious.

Later, some weekends later a trial dose sublingual of 20mgs was eaten. No effects were noticed.

Most recent effort was an eaten dose of 30mgs. At last, an effect! Tryptamine headspace within 25 minutes. Nasuea set in at about the 20 - 25 min mark. Very subtle visual effects became present at the same time. Nausea eased with small spliff but wasn't paricularly intense or longlasting to start with. The subtle psychedelia eased by the 1 hour point. Methoxetamine was insufflated at 10mgs & seemed a little different to usual so I suspect a subtle synergy was present with these two substances.

Next experiments planned to be 50mg in 2 x 25mg doses probably 30 mins to 1 hour apart so as to increase effects but also mitigate nausea (as in my 2c-xx). If this isn't suitably psychedelic I plan 3 x 30mg doses to see where that leads. I will report when this data is available.

=D Happy Travels =D
 
I was wondering if anyone else has shared my experience with this substance. Over the past three weeks I have been dosing valium, marijuana, four JWHs, and MDPV in relative moderation. During this time I have tried 5-meo-DALT four times, and have not been able to achieve an experience with even remotely consistent effects in each trial.

During these trials I was twice intoxicated by MDPV, and all four times intoxicated by some random mix of CB agonists (as always). All four doses were smoked, and in the 10-20mg range.



On a low dose of PV, well rested, I smoked about 10mg and experienced the tryptamine body rush, lightheadedness, and a positive mood lift. Music remained enjoyable and the body load was neither pleasant nor unbearable. I was unimpressed, and set it aside.

Far later that night (ie: at 5:45am, im sure you PV users can relate hah), after coming down almost entirely from the PV I reached for the DALT instead of the JWH, to see what would happen. I smoked about the same dose, felt the body rush, and just as though I had taken a moderate hit of DMT, powerful open eyed tryptamine visuals set in almost immediately. This caught me way off guard, but I have -a lot- of psychadelic experience, and quickly accepted the trip. After five minutes, the visuals remained strong enough that I was not enjoying the computer, so I went and took a shower. Everything was fine and dandy, low end MDA type feelings with stronger visuals. After about 30 minutes I was back to baseline and felt fine. After this one I thought -wow- maybe this stuff does have some positive use.

Feeling rather lucid, I took a 5mg valium, smoked a bowl and headed into work for the day. After I returned home I figured the sleep deprivation must have triggered the visuals before, and was excited to experience a strong, short trip before I went to bed. I measured out a slightly larger dose and smoked it. I got a strong body rush, got the tryptamine lightheadedness, aaaaand thats it. The body rush was not a good feeling really, and there was no mood lift or visual alteration whatsoever. The tryptamine feeling wore off after about 30 minutes, left me with a nasty headache, and I decided to hit the hay. Underwhelming.

The next day, on my day off, I woke up and decided I would try the drug with less factors influencing my experience. I smoked a bowl of good bud, and then hit about the same amount of DALT as the third time. Tryptamine body rush, mood lift, lightheadedness, and OW splitting headache. No visual alteration. I uncomfortably waited out the drug's effects, which again left me with a bad headache like my third trial had. I was very suprised by the situation, and went back to bed for a bit.



If you actually made it this far, thanks for reading - I'm terribly bored at work.

What I do not understand, is that I had the most positive experience with this drug when I should have had the worst, and visa-versa. Does anyone have any insight into what might affect this drug's ability to induce OEVs? The remainder has been sitting in my closet for a week now, and I'm going to give it another run when I get home, but I just found these experiences to be particularly bizzare and perhaps noteworthy. When I used LSD I used to get unbelievable CEVs, but got positively none with this substance. How strange. I will report back after my experience today, as I have not taken PV in four days, and may find that changes things. Hmm...:\

Edit: Sorry btw I did not RTFT if this has been discussed. ~_~
 
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I was wondering if anyone else has shared my experience with this substance. Over the past three weeks I have been dosing valium, marijuana, four JWHs, and MDPV in relative moderation. During this time I have tried 5-meo-DALT four times, and have not been able to achieve an experience with even remotely consistent effects in each trial.

During these trials I was twice intoxicated by MDPV, and all four times intoxicated by some random mix of CB agonists (as always). All four doses were smoked, and in the 10-20mg range.



On a low dose of PV, well rested, I smoked about 10mg and experienced the tryptamine body rush, lightheadedness, and a positive mood lift. Music remained enjoyable and the body load was neither pleasant nor unbearable. I was unimpressed, and set it aside.

Far later that night (ie: at 5:45am, im sure you PV users can relate hah), after coming down almost entirely from the PV I reached for the DALT instead of the JWH, to see what would happen. I smoked about the same dose, felt the body rush, and just as though I had taken a moderate hit of DMT, powerful open eyed tryptamine visuals set in almost immediately. This caught me way off guard, but I have -a lot- of psychadelic experience, and quickly accepted the trip. After five minutes, the visuals remained strong enough that I was not enjoying the computer, so I went and took a shower. Everything was fine and dandy, low end MDA type feelings with stronger visuals. After about 30 minutes I was back to baseline and felt fine. After this one I thought -wow- maybe this stuff does have some positive use.

Feeling rather lucid, I took a 5mg valium, smoked a bowl and headed into work for the day. After I returned home I figured the sleep deprivation must have triggered the visuals before, and was excited to experience a strong, short trip before I went to bed. I measured out a slightly larger dose and smoked it. I got a strong body rush, got the tryptamine lightheadedness, aaaaand thats it. The body rush was not a good feeling really, and there was no mood lift or visual alteration whatsoever. The tryptamine feeling wore off after about 30 minutes, left me with a nasty headache, and I decided to hit the hay. Underwhelming.

The next day, on my day off, I woke up and decided I would try the drug with less factors influencing my experience. I smoked a bowl of good bud, and then hit about the same amount of DALT as the third time. Tryptamine body rush, mood lift, lightheadedness, and OW splitting headache. No visual alteration. I uncomfortably waited out the drug's effects, which again left me with a bad headache like my third trial had. I was very suprised by the situation, and went back to bed for a bit.



If you actually made it this far, thanks for reading - I'm terribly bored at work.

What I do not understand, is that I had the most positive experience with this drug when I should have had the worst, and visa-versa. Does anyone have any insight into what might affect this drug's ability to induce OEVs? The remainder has been sitting in my closet for a week now, and I'm going to give it another run when I get home, but I just found these experiences to be particularly bizzare and perhaps noteworthy. When I used LSD I used to get unbelievable CEVs, but got positively none with this substance. How strange. I will report back after my experience today, as I have not taken PV in four days, and may find that changes things. Hmm...:\

Edit: Sorry btw I did not RTFT if this has been discussed. ~_~
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Man last time i had some DALT this is what i did....I found low-medium doses of 5-meo-dalt vaped was amazing while on MDPV. The only thing i can describe are the awesome "vibrations" i felt instantly after hitting the dalt. I always mix jwh with whatever im using after i have experienced its solo effects.

On a side note when i insuflatted and took the same Dalt orally as a test round, some real negitive effects were produced including strong anxiety and very intense heart rate
 
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On a side note when i insuflatted and took the same Dalt orally as a test round, some real negitive effects were produced including strong anxiety and very intense heart rate
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I recently read this thread from the beginning.. I have seen a few comments about this effect. Be careful folks....you only have one heart...
 
^ Many folks get tachycardia and arrhytmia from stims or 5-MeO-T's and they are alright. Your heart race can be really intense when you are anxious about it. ;)
Also, did he combined 5-MeO-DALT with MDPV when he got described effects(or was it 5-MeO-DALT alone)?
 
That having been said...after reading this thread I am no less confused. This certainly is an interesting chemical....The dosing is all over the place....to MAOI or not to MAOI...What ROA is best?
Unlike something like 2cp .......my favorite RC...this one is all over the place. With 2cp the dose is the dose...The ROA for 2cp for what I imagine is 90 or more percent of us is oral...again this when it comes to ROA this one is all over the place....
Some describe it as a lightweight while others are comparing it to DMT and 5meo-dmt..neither of which anyone would call a lightweight.
Seems that the only thing to do is...well to do what this whole thing is about...
RESEARCH!
Extensive research.

a question has come up as I read. I understand that folks have smoked the hcl salt..sprinkled over something in a pipe. Do I want a very hot flame like a torch or a cooler flame like a Bic lighter. Do I want to keep the flame right on it and burn it hard or hover over it and let it burn slower? Replies would be nice..if not..well..I will research that too.
 
I just tried a trial dose of this compound today. 8 mgs was weighed up, dumped onto a mirror, and then split into 8 piles. Some of the piles were noticeable larger than the other piles.

The 5-meo-DALT was very very white in color, and sparkled in the sunlight. The crystals looked like little tiny white needles, very very small in size, but their needle-like appearance is very uniform throughout the batch. A very pretty chemical I must say. It also is very sticky, it sticks to everything it touches, even leaving little white needle-trails down the side of the vial when a tiny chunk falls down the side of the vial.

The powder clumps and flakes, and seems dry and crunchy, not wet and sticky...even though it's seems to stick to everything.

I started by snorting the two smallest piles. No burn, no drip. Didn't notice anything at all. Which is what I was expecting and hoping for from snorting such a small amount. after 15 minutes, I was certain I did not accidentally get a 2C-X product (since there was no intense pain from insufflation and I wasn't feeling threshold effects, as you would from snorting 1 mg of 2C-anything).

So 15 minutes after the first bump, I snort the next two biggest piles. I notice a little tiny something. I finish doing some chores around the house and notice the littttttle tiniest slight bit of nausea that may or may not have been from the 5-meo-DALT, (as i have only ingested coffee so far today, so that could very well alone explain small fleeting feelings of nausea). I smoke a single bowl of marijuana in a pipe. No more trace of nausea. It seems like a pretty benign compound, so i finish snorting off the remainder of the 8 mgs.

Right now, approximately 45 minutes later after the first bump, I feel very slightly physically stimulated, but my mind seems to have a rather subtle, but noticeable stimulated quality. I noticed as soon as I began writing this report that words seems to come a little bit easier than normal, to the point of being rambly. I am kind of rambly to being with anyways.

It was difficult to define the chronology of the this experience, and I would say that I reached not higher on the Shulgin scale than a +. It was a very subtle but noticeable trip, and I could see how at higher doses it would keep it's subtly.

I could feel the drug in me doing something, but it really lacked the feeling of "something BIG is going to happen", like all my experiences with threshold doses of 5-meo-DMT. Even 5-meo-mipt has more of a wallop at threshold doses than this one.

Having said that, I am a firm beleiver that all psychedelic drugs have the potential to induce extremely powerful experience, even so called "weak ones". I think putting expectations on the psychedelic experience is not a wise move. If you expect something to be weak all the time, and then find yourself having an unexpectedly strong trip one day - try not to be too suprised. It's just in their nature to expand your mind. I've got a little "thing" i tell myself about trips. Just a little axiom I came up with after years of dabbling with psychedelic drugs, but it's something along the lines of "you don't choose your trips, your trips choose you".

And what I mean by that is, even when you take a big dose of a strong psychedelic, you don't always get a powerful experience. I've always found there to be a somewhat "mystical" feeling to when my really strong trips actually occur. And they don't always coincide with the times that I have ingested lots of drugs. Annnnnyways....

I enjoy subtly in the psychedelic experince. I've always been fascinated by short lasting, or relatively mild psychedelics. This one is both. Next time I attempt to use 5-meo-DALT, I will retry 8 mgs insufflated, only this time all at once, and I will keep notes during the experince, so that I may create a more detailed trip report.
 
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^ I never smoked chemicals, so I can't really tell you anything about it.

8mg..200mg...what a range.
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Yeah, 5-MeO-DALT has really wide dosage range. Better start low!

^^ Great report, Chemical Wizard!

and then find yourself having an unexpectedly strong trip one day - try not to be too suprised
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I had the most powerful trips when I didn't expected much! Also, they were the most beatiful and profound trips.

I think I share most of your thoughts in the second part of your post. :)
 
I must note how easy this compound is to insufflate. 8 mgs snorted over a small stretch of time was barely noticeable at all. I'm not sure what larger doses would be like if you snorted them all at once, but just the little bit that I insufflated was soooo smooth.

There was a faint unpleasant taste as the experince wore on, and maybe the faintest of faint irritation, but it was exceptionally easy on the nose.

I don't think i'll use insufflation an a regular way of dosing though. Snorting strange chemical freebases just seems weird to me.
 
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I've never had any luck with railing DALT. My friend, girlfriend and I all snorted 50mgs and felt nothing. Smoking worked fine, putting about 5mgs on some passionflower and smoking the bowl lead to a feeling similar to a + acid buzz, but with an extremely sped up heartrate.
I'd highly recommend dosing it over any other method. High doses orally are intense but quite enjoyable. At 200mgs orally taken the peak hit hard and was almost overwhelming, but once its settled in the buzz is very similar to candy flipping, I was getting nice visuals, and everything felt amazing, although there was no feelings of empathy.
Dont start with a dose that high obviously to anyone trying it out for the first time, but for those with some experience with it i'd highly recommend giving a high dose a try, it was definitely a +++.
 
i had so many people come up to me looking for drugs at the last party i went to, and i have so few reasons to use this particular substance, that i feel like giving away doses next time to the poor souls who cant find anything...

obviously ill explain the drug thoroughly to whoever...and im not trying to make any money so there wont be any 'pushing' involved, nor any monetary transaction whatsoever.

any advice on distribution?

i was thinking initially that i would do 35 mg wraps...but i think some people have reported that as being far too much.

has anyone ever found 20 mg to be too much?

i'm thinking i could give someone 2 20 mg wraps and say take one now and the other in an hour and half if you're not good.


or is this just unreasonable?
 
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