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The Big & Dandy 5-IT / 5-API Thread
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Totally agree, point out that yesterday's novelty is today's routine, that's why we should probably approach these developments with less skepticism and presumptions. Of course I believe there are a lot of people here who are pretty good with chemistry and can predict the potential of some new RC popping up on today's scene with quite certainty - but there is an always room for some error in these predictions...
Here is my humble attempt to shed some light on 5IT:
So I had 250 mg of 5IT from EU vendor sitting on the shelf - with me been awaiting for some reports until my patience has finally snapped and I weighted out 100 mg on Sunday morning.
I have been heavily involved in the research of various 4/5 substituted tryptamines (4-aco-DMT, 5-Meo-Mipt, 4-Ho-MET, 5-Meo-DMT) during the past couple of weeks, or maybe months - with a lot of mxe – mostly staying out of stims.
Here is the short report itself: (my apologies for skipping the allergy test)
Conditions: Empty stomach, 4 hours of sleep after heavy tripping - the day before, Indoors.
00:00 (12:00) – Bombed 100 mg from scale tray.
00:20– The first signs - feel a bit light headed and some warmth coming up from stomach.
00:45–Come up, very similar to those of APB, with moderate hyperthermia, although no signs of nausea - as expected.
01:00 – A bit nervous about the dose, the effects didn’t seem to stop strengthening – in fact felt like It was just a very beginning of something big.
1:30 – Seem to reach some stability – feeling relaxed and nice tense at the same time, listening to some post rock with each riff blowing me away.
2:15 – Amazing feeling and overall well being, very clear thoughts – totally in to music – with mild pleasant OEVs when looking outside. Extremely cozy stuff!
4:00 – Seems to be a logical peak, I wouldn’t say I was overwhelmed with emotions or sentiments but the beauty around was so magical, I have never enjoyed music at that degree at my life, never felt such urge for creativity either. The “cold” euphoria was present from now till the end of the trip.
6:00 – Decided to go outside. Almost no pupil dilation at that point and walking was really enjoyable. Went to the neighborhood bar and grab some semi-sweet red wine. Felt really social with strong urge for conversation on some random topics then called my friend to catch up... The opposite sex merely looked like a artwork beauty, although I wouldn’t say I’d have “something” with girlfriend that night, simply didn’t feel like that. I didn’t eat much, except for fruits - although it was clearly possible – unlike on APBs.
7:30 – Slowly getting back to baseline, no urge to redose or benzos , just had another bottle of wine and felt just like a should – with no signs of bad come down – just a bit headache which could be simply coming from the red wine.
9:00 – Definite baseline, I still took some diazepam – as a habit, and continued drinking until I got home at around 1:00 AM and fall asleep almost immediately.
This can quickly become one of my favorite weekend chem., considering no come down, very stable euphoria and clear thoughts with a little bit of trippines. I think I’ll do more of this next weekend before the final verdict – although It really seems one of the most worthily novel stims for me.
Interesting little report. Seems like 100mg is quite a substantial dose given 5-IT's links to aMT. 100mg of aMT would probably get me to a high level 4. Interesting.
Still no dang sample!
EDIT: Choleric, to gauge your tolerance etc could you give details with regards to how much a standard dose of MDMA or 6APB is for you? If you're feeling particularly helpful, could you set that against your build etc. Thanks
Still no dang sample!
EDIT: Choleric, to gauge your tolerance etc could you give details with regards to how much a standard dose of MDMA or 6APB is for you? If you're feeling particularly helpful, could you set that against your build etc. Thanks
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Nice report Choleric, got my sample but not had opportunity to try yet! Sounds very promising, especially if it's better than both the APB's and AMT. I like the APB's very much but find AMT not very user friendly, too much body load and for me not a social drug at all.
How was pupil dilation during the peak? If it's not too noticeable this would be a definite plus, as it sounds like a good substance for a night out. Looking forward to trying my sample although I will be starting with less than 100mg, probably half that at most to gauge its effects.
How was pupil dilation during the peak? If it's not too noticeable this would be a definite plus, as it sounds like a good substance for a night out. Looking forward to trying my sample although I will be starting with less than 100mg, probably half that at most to gauge its effects.
Well there was some good discussion around 5IT on UK forum, which is unfortunately down at this moment - where a couple of members who run tests around 50 mg experienced some pretty quick/harsh crashes and suggested to go with bigger starting amount, which made me to opt for 100mg. Although I wouldn't insist on starting with 100 mg for everyone of course, as you can always redose if have more time - just for safety reasons. But still in my intuition it's dosing strategy is quite similar to 6APB - I used to take 50 mg of APB at my very first experience and remember feeling like half cooked chicken until redosed.
I can't say about the degree of pupil dilation on peak, but as I said it was pretty unnoticeable at 6:00, I usually wear glasses with white frame to divert unwanted attention when I go out anyway
At conclusion, I'd say to be careful with this chem - as I might be the lucky one responding to it in a such way, especially considering my multiple cross tolerance possibilities coming from god knows what. So good luck with that - will hopefully see more reports on Monday
Weight 90 kg (198 lbs)
Evolution on psychoactives (from 14 years to present) Alcohol => tons of alcohol => Cannabis => Pharms (Pregabalin, benzos, hypnotics etc) => MDMA=> Shrooms => MDA=> 'RC' stims (APBs, FMPs, M1, MMC, 4MEC etc) => a lot of MXE => Synth. Tryptamines <=
Well, most of the MDMA I had came as ecstasy tabs and I didn't carry a scale back then and I've been mostly clean out of any stims during the past couple of months, doing a lot of mxe and trypts.
Usual dosing:
6APB - 125 - 175 mg (Depends on the batch/source) - Min 125 mg on a good one.
Dunno if it relates but when it comes to mxe my usual dose is around 140 mg (insufflated) used to be 60-70 - some time ago.
The day before 5IT research, I've started the morning with 4-Aco-DMT (30mg), moved to MXE (140 mg), and 4-Ho-Met (50 mg) at night... It was a crazy day to say the least - so it could contribute to my sense of well being the day after - enjoying the fact that I could buy some cigarettes on my own and go out without any paranoia
I can't say about the degree of pupil dilation on peak, but as I said it was pretty unnoticeable at 6:00, I usually wear glasses with white frame to divert unwanted attention when I go out anyway
At conclusion, I'd say to be careful with this chem - as I might be the lucky one responding to it in a such way, especially considering my multiple cross tolerance possibilities coming from god knows what. So good luck with that - will hopefully see more reports on Monday
EDIT: Choleric, to gauge your tolerance etc could you give details with regards to how much a standard dose of MDMA or 6APB is for you? If you're feeling particularly helpful, could you set that against your build etc. Thanks
Weight 90 kg (198 lbs)
Evolution on psychoactives (from 14 years to present) Alcohol => tons of alcohol => Cannabis => Pharms (Pregabalin, benzos, hypnotics etc) => MDMA=> Shrooms => MDA=> 'RC' stims (APBs, FMPs, M1, MMC, 4MEC etc) => a lot of MXE => Synth. Tryptamines <=
Well, most of the MDMA I had came as ecstasy tabs and I didn't carry a scale back then
and I've been mostly clean out of any stims during the past couple of months, doing a lot of mxe and trypts. Usual dosing:
6APB - 125 - 175 mg (Depends on the batch/source) - Min 125 mg on a good one.
Dunno if it relates but when it comes to mxe my usual dose is around 140 mg (insufflated) used to be 60-70 - some time ago.
The day before 5IT research, I've started the morning with 4-Aco-DMT (30mg), moved to MXE (140 mg), and 4-Ho-Met (50 mg) at night... It was a crazy day to say the least - so it could contribute to my sense of well being the day after - enjoying the fact that I could buy some cigarettes on my own and go out without any paranoia
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Tried 100mg last weekend. I was on a few other things but it had been 4 hrs since anything. Capsuled 100mg me and the mrs.
First thing that happened was I got a real heavy `stoned` feeing from it as though I had taken some heavy duty benzos.
Started to think I wasnt going to like it then after some 30mins it seemed I was `getting used` to the feeling and actually starting to like it, but what was actually happening was the stim side of things was beginning to kick in.
So at the 2hr point approx I was now coming alive starting to talk a lot, the porn was on and I felt like I had mixed a cathinone with some benzos. There was never any stim `rush` as such just a slow gradual stim effect creeping over.
I saw no similarity at all to things like 5 or 6 apb or amt it was like a smooth stim all the way and towards the end I got slightly jittery like coming off mdpv but a lot less horrible.
I am actually looking forward to trying this clean this weekend with nothing else in my system and I am interested in larger doses.
This `could` be a winner but I reckon it will be a chem that some will like and some not.
It certainly did not feel dirty or any of the other negs that are being claimed by people who havent actually tried it yet.
I will report back if I have anything further to add.
Added 27.April 2012: Now tried up to 175mg and love this stuff as many others do. Best experience mixed it with 7mg 5 meo mipt and had my first ecstasy dance roll in 4 years. That was the closest (beyond?) to any e i`ve ever had and they were all real.
First thing that happened was I got a real heavy `stoned` feeing from it as though I had taken some heavy duty benzos.
Started to think I wasnt going to like it then after some 30mins it seemed I was `getting used` to the feeling and actually starting to like it, but what was actually happening was the stim side of things was beginning to kick in.
So at the 2hr point approx I was now coming alive starting to talk a lot, the porn was on and I felt like I had mixed a cathinone with some benzos. There was never any stim `rush` as such just a slow gradual stim effect creeping over.
I saw no similarity at all to things like 5 or 6 apb or amt it was like a smooth stim all the way and towards the end I got slightly jittery like coming off mdpv but a lot less horrible.
I am actually looking forward to trying this clean this weekend with nothing else in my system and I am interested in larger doses.
This `could` be a winner but I reckon it will be a chem that some will like and some not.
It certainly did not feel dirty or any of the other negs that are being claimed by people who havent actually tried it yet.
I will report back if I have anything further to add.
Added 27.April 2012: Now tried up to 175mg and love this stuff as many others do. Best experience mixed it with 7mg 5 meo mipt and had my first ecstasy dance roll in 4 years. That was the closest (beyond?) to any e i`ve ever had and they were all real.
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Roger&Me
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5-IT isn't new, it was first reported in the 1960's. It's actually quite old, and uninteresting. There's also no rational reason to believe it should hold much promise as an enjoyable recreational drug.
So far I've only seen favorable reports from greenlighters that are probably vendor shills, anyway. Even if the reports are valid, there is uncertainty as to whether or not the material being sold by some vendors is indeed even actual 5-IT.
As is true with any compound, jumping on the bandwagon after a few favorable reports from internet randos is just foolish.
aMT is my drug of choice but has the problem of a slow and sometimes a little uncomfortable come up, along with occasional nausea, so when I heard about 5-IT and its similarities it got me very interested.
I received a 250mg 5-IT sample and tried a 5mg allergy test the day before a full trial.
T 15:00 - 50mg 5-IT orally (same as I do with aMT)
T 15:30 - Feeling a lot of tingles and rushes. Zero nausea.
T 16:00 - Feeling good, and some euphoria, so listen to music which sounds great.
T 17:00 - Coming down, which his left me rather disappointed as it's was far too quick and light for me compared with aMT.
T 18:00 - 100mg 5-IT orally (like I do with 6APB) which I decide is probably a better dose for my needs although 50mg and a quick up and down will suit some people.
T 19:00 - A good aMT like high for about 10 hours as I worked on some music productions.
T 07:00 - Back to baseline, so take 7mg zopiclone orally and go to bed with the intention of going to sleep.
T 07:15 - Remember that i'm supposed to be meeting a friend at 11:00, so decide not to go to sleep and stay up.
T 10:00 - 60mg baclofen to give me an nice base for the day.
T 12:00 - 100mg 5-IT orally, then go and meet my friend in town to watch the football and catch up.
T 13:00 - A few pints and feeling good. A nice clean controlled high, like aMT, just as I like.
T 17:00 - 50mg baclofen as I get back home. Still feeling great so work on some music production again for a few hours.
T 20:00 - Nearly back to baseline (minus the baclofen buzz) so eat a pizza and some Mars Bar ice creams. (baclofen makes me hungry)
T 21:00 - 7mg zopiclone intranasally, as I have work in the morning and need to get a good sleep.
T 07:00 - Wake up and still feeling good and manage a full day of work feeling no comedown at all, and not much tiredness considering I missed a nights sleep.
T 10:00 - Make an order for more 5-IT as i'm happy with the results.
I followed this up a weekend later with 4 doses of 100mg between Saturday night and Monday morning in a mixture of clubs and parties and it was great. This is my new drug of choice for partying, although it's a little expensive compared to aMT (but doesn't have the aMT nausea issue, which makes up for it).
From others reports I suspect 5-IT is like aMT in that it can have quite different effects on people and some just won't like it.
I received a 250mg 5-IT sample and tried a 5mg allergy test the day before a full trial.
T 15:00 - 50mg 5-IT orally (same as I do with aMT)
T 15:30 - Feeling a lot of tingles and rushes. Zero nausea.
T 16:00 - Feeling good, and some euphoria, so listen to music which sounds great.
T 17:00 - Coming down, which his left me rather disappointed as it's was far too quick and light for me compared with aMT.
T 18:00 - 100mg 5-IT orally (like I do with 6APB) which I decide is probably a better dose for my needs although 50mg and a quick up and down will suit some people.
T 19:00 - A good aMT like high for about 10 hours as I worked on some music productions.
T 07:00 - Back to baseline, so take 7mg zopiclone orally and go to bed with the intention of going to sleep.
T 07:15 - Remember that i'm supposed to be meeting a friend at 11:00, so decide not to go to sleep and stay up.
T 10:00 - 60mg baclofen to give me an nice base for the day.
T 12:00 - 100mg 5-IT orally, then go and meet my friend in town to watch the football and catch up.
T 13:00 - A few pints and feeling good. A nice clean controlled high, like aMT, just as I like.
T 17:00 - 50mg baclofen as I get back home. Still feeling great so work on some music production again for a few hours.
T 20:00 - Nearly back to baseline (minus the baclofen buzz) so eat a pizza and some Mars Bar ice creams. (baclofen makes me hungry)
T 21:00 - 7mg zopiclone intranasally, as I have work in the morning and need to get a good sleep.
T 07:00 - Wake up and still feeling good and manage a full day of work feeling no comedown at all, and not much tiredness considering I missed a nights sleep.
T 10:00 - Make an order for more 5-IT as i'm happy with the results.
I followed this up a weekend later with 4 doses of 100mg between Saturday night and Monday morning in a mixture of clubs and parties and it was great. This is my new drug of choice for partying, although it's a little expensive compared to aMT (but doesn't have the aMT nausea issue, which makes up for it).
From others reports I suspect 5-IT is like aMT in that it can have quite different effects on people and some just won't like it.
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Seriously, holy crap! This stuff is pretty intense. Bombed 60mg or so an hour an a half ago, feeling very rushy indeed! Not much like AMT at all I would say, to me it feels like an old favourite - methylone! Enjoying dancing around to great music feel very high. I'm a bit of a lightweight with MDMA etc though, not too much gets me pretty fucked.
Anyone who thinks this is uninteresting needs to try it, and decide for themselves instead of speculating. This is the nicest (so far anyway) compound I've tried recently. Clear headed with a lot of energy and music sounds amazing. I have a feeling this would be amazing with nitrous %) Or at a club or something as well, I have a lot more energy than on the APB's, they can be almost lethargic (albeit very lovely with other people, magical empathy etc). Even on 6APB I have often not felt like dancing, but this is quite different
I am noting a medium level of bruxism, which is interesting as I never got that from AMT and some but not too bad on the APB's. I've taken some magnesium to try and reduce it. Also glad I found a last couple of chewing gum lying around! Still rushing a lot, and my girlfriend is coming home in half an hour! Will have to pretend I'm just stoned lol. This is mixing nicely with a strong spliff actually
Fuck time to try and not act too high lol wish me luck..
Anyone who thinks this is uninteresting needs to try it, and decide for themselves instead of speculating. This is the nicest (so far anyway) compound I've tried recently. Clear headed with a lot of energy and music sounds amazing. I have a feeling this would be amazing with nitrous %) Or at a club or something as well, I have a lot more energy than on the APB's, they can be almost lethargic (albeit very lovely with other people, magical empathy etc). Even on 6APB I have often not felt like dancing, but this is quite different
I am noting a medium level of bruxism, which is interesting as I never got that from AMT and some but not too bad on the APB's. I've taken some magnesium to try and reduce it. Also glad I found a last couple of chewing gum lying around! Still rushing a lot, and my girlfriend is coming home in half an hour! Will have to pretend I'm just stoned lol. This is mixing nicely with a strong spliff actually
Fuck time to try and not act too high lol wish me luck..
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Roger&Me
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^send it to ecstacydata.org
The interesting thing about 5-IT is that at 50mg it only lasted a few hours for me, but at 100mg it was about 9 hours. I personally far prefer drugs that last a long time.
^^ Sounds amazing. If you have any left, could you get it tested? Proof that what you took actually was 5-IT would help a lot.
That goes for anyone! Please can everybody have their 'samples' tested?
My sample and order came from two separate very reputable vendors so I'm more than happy it was 5-IT.
Yeah I can agree with you there. Energy levels were noticably increased over the APB's.
Interesting, I am the opposite. I often got a medium level of bruxism from aMT but didn't get any from 5-IT the two times i've had it so far.
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So today I've really felt the flip side of this chem, after last nights experiment I've been feeling quite jittery and sick Also, last night I literally couldn't sleep a wink, stim induced insomnia is totally lame. During the night I had bad jaw clenching, some of the worst I've experienced, grinding teeth chewing my gums, not very pleasant! Getting up around 10am I could still feel the effects and my eyes weren't back to normal. Had explosive toilet time as well today.. I guess people react differently to substances but this feels like it's quite heavy going on the body for me. Was going to try some out with friends tonight, but will not be doing now. Saving it for another time. I was surprised how long 60mg or so lasted for me, easily 10 hours. It's a bit like Methylone on steroids! In terms of positive great feelings, but also negative after effects. Hmmm, shame as it was totally great at the time.
Also, last night I literally couldn't sleep a wink, stim induced insomnia is totally lame. During the night I had bad jaw clenching, some of the worst I've experienced, grinding teeth chewing my gums, not very pleasant! Getting up around 10am I could still feel the effects and my eyes weren't back to normal. Had explosive toilet time as well today.. I guess people react differently to substances but this feels like it's quite heavy going on the body for me. Was going to try some out with friends tonight, but will not be doing now. Saving it for another time. I was surprised how long 60mg or so lasted for me, easily 10 hours. It's a bit like Methylone on steroids! In terms of positive great feelings, but also negative after effects. Hmmm, shame as it was totally great at the time.
Roger&Me
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I can't figure that out either, maybe 5-isopropylaminotriptan?