lostreality
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I'd definately try that. In fact the main thing I ultimately want to do is take 4-meo-pcp and 4-aco-dmt together in an im shot to make a combo similar to ketamine/dpt but lasting much longer.
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I'd definately try that. In fact the main thing I ultimately want to do is take 4-meo-pcp and 4-aco-dmt together in an im shot to make a combo similar to ketamine/dpt but lasting much longer.
psood0nym
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The combo I've used most in 14 years of drug use has been ketamine and psilocin (sometimes 4-AcO-DMT -- the experience is essentially the same). I wrote up a report about a trip resulting from it that covered a lot of the themes that emerged during all those nights. I've not done it in at least six months because I've come across something new I'm exploring, but I expect to be called back to it in not too much more time. If you're willing and interested enough to invest the time, here's that report:
Reflections in an Obsidian Fountain
Reflections in an Obsidian Fountain
Help?!?!
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Wow. Seriously? I was thinking of trying this +2c-e or something like that. Very strange. What were the effects like?
CatfishRivers
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I didn't feel any sort of stimulation really...not say compared to something like methylone. I never really felt anything I would call stimulation from dxm tho either...
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I tried 4-MeO-PCP with 2C-B and was disappointed somewhat. I thought there would be a fantastic combination of the body glows, but the 2C-B just sorta made the 4-MeO-PCP buzz recede a bit, while at the same time sort of masking the 2C-B's effects. It wasn't bad, or unenjoyable, but at the same time it was nothing special and in the future I will probably not waste my drugs on this combo. What got me interested in part in the first place was another report where the person mixed 4-MeO-PCP with 2C-I, and raved about how good they went together. I guess I might try that combo sometime in he future, but my last dose of 4-MeO-PCP (around 300 mg) is just going to be reserved for an oral experience, since my first experience with 315 mg oral was so incredible by itself.
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More colorful, less visual, less profound. More OEV patterning instead of full blown dissociative hallucinations with eyes open.
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Really? I did a 4-meo dose of like 120 mgs im injection then enjoyed the 2 hours or so of it and then dosed 28mgs of 2cb and it effected my 2cb tremendously. It was a way stranger and darker trip than 2cb alone. It felt some dissonant like a slight pull in like a salvia sense but definitely nowhere near as overwhelming and I was having strange hallucinations.
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Use a lighter to melt the rest of the 4 pcp powder if it's not fully dissolving. You know like you see them heat heroin or crack?
psood0nym
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In my experience combining 2C-E with ketamine the amphetamine-ish aspects of 2C-E definitely detracted from the dissociation. It felt nice for sure, which makes it fine for more active recreational stuff, but when I want a really immersing trip a dissociative plus a powerful tryptamine -- particularly DMT, 4-ho/AcO-DMT, or DPT -- is much more effective.
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Yeah, I was disappointed. I thought there'd be more of a synergy to write home about, but it just sort of made the parts of both that stood out normally meld together in a rather uninteresting way. I can agree with the dissonant feeling to a degree as it did have a sort of square peg round hole kind of feeling to me.
lostreality
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In theory pure heroin and cocaine doesn't need heat to dissolve properly, you would dissolve cuts with the heroin or cocaine by using heat. I was thinking this may work out the same for 4-meo-pcp. This is assuming that the solubility of 4-meo-pcp is higher than 100mg per cc at room temperture though.
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Help?!?!
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Damn I had I fine time over the weekend. Believe i'll give it another go in a few days. Everytime I use this one I think more and more of 3-MeO. I hope I can get it soon.
I did 230mgs followed by 130mgs 2 hours later. It took some hours to peak and when it did I was partially dissociated, I have very heavy ketamine tolerance, I was wasted but not near 'holing' I added ketamine and did hole, it was more confusing then normal (lol). The whole experience was enjoyable and lasted around ten hours.
As soon as it started to wear of I had pains in my stomach, this was followed by the worst feeling I have ever had from a drug. I felt poisoned. I could taste the 4-meo in my saliva, smell it on my sweat and in my urine, I had a feeling like I was being mildly electrocuted constantly with bigger 'buzzes' going through my body a few times an hour.
I had all sorts of nasty stuff going on. It took until 3 days later to feel base line. It felt like I would imagine nuclear fall out feels.
As soon as it started to wear of I had pains in my stomach, this was followed by the worst feeling I have ever had from a drug. I felt poisoned. I could taste the 4-meo in my saliva, smell it on my sweat and in my urine, I had a feeling like I was being mildly electrocuted constantly with bigger 'buzzes' going through my body a few times an hour.
I had all sorts of nasty stuff going on. It took until 3 days later to feel base line. It felt like I would imagine nuclear fall out feels.
I've had some of this sitting around for awhile, and finally decided last night I'd stayed away from ketamine long enough to avoid cross-tolerance issues. Took it orally - was a too squeamish to try the roa that seems to be currently popular. I was originally planning to IM it, but decided that it was just too dumb, given the unknown substance from a relatively unknown source.
I have a long standing love affair with IM'ed ketamine and was looking forward to see how this compared. I tend to be pretty sensitive to ketamine (much more so than tryptamines), and I had a little nausea earlier that evening, so I decided to take a super conservative dose.
Dose: 115 mg, followed by 40 mg
Weight: 115
Notes during the trip (corrected for spelling):
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+0:45 - feeling heavy, slight nausea
+1:00- nice body buzz, slight numbness in face and extremities. floaty and relaxed. resting on cotton candy clouds
+1:15 - took another 40 mg
+1:50 - rolling around in bed, stretching has never felt so good. so content and relaaaxed. I'm becoming my own visualizer. the beat is playing up and down each of my limbs. the CEV images are beautiful. giant black bird, flapping immense wings slowly to the beat of the song, moving the air in perfect time. lazy. happy. the aesthetics of this are fantastic - keep seeing images of cliffs near the ocean, sun setting in colors on waves. feeling of expansion, stretching.
+ 2:30 - after rolling around for hours, sudden rush of lucidity, drive and something that tastes like impatience(?). feel the need to get up and do something! maybe I should go for a run.
+ 2:45 - that wave passed quickly. back to lounging. very pleasant, but far too lucid. is this what opiates are like for other people? the fact that I can write is impressive. the fact that I just read instructions for boston style baked beans is plain sad. need to double up the dose next time.
and wtf is up with smells? air is suddenly catpee scented. hope that goes away.
+ 3:00 - my god it's difficult to type in any way that will be readable tomorrow. fuck spelling. am becoming a little.. bored? pleasant, floaty, but no insights, no interesting thoughts, no speeding through k tunnels or wandering through k palace rooms.
+3:15 - there is an interesting quality here, almost lyrical. the stuff wants to show me pretty things and places, read me good poetry. at this dose, I am not being transported to other worlds so much as catching wafts of them - and they're all ethereal and full of light. not dark at all. it even lacks the serpentine movements of good acid. feel like I should be wandering through an art museum.
fingers and mouth still lightly numb. going to try walking and find the boy for company.
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Overall, somewhat similar to ketamine, but has a really interesting ethereal feel. It also feels super smooth and easygoing, but that may have been because of how low the dose was. Can't imagine this being scary at any dose though. Moving around created some nausea, but less than with ketamine. Overall felt slightly more up and mobile than I would have at a similar dose of ketamine.
The comedown was cozy, happy. Fell asleep 5.5 hrs after ingestion of initial dose. Feel pretty good today - calm, but out of it. Also remarkably uncoordinated - I keep dropping things and running into things. I can see the next day being a complete wash on a higher dose. Can't wait to try again, at either 2x the dose orally, or (more likely) at the appropriate IM dose.
I have a long standing love affair with IM'ed ketamine and was looking forward to see how this compared. I tend to be pretty sensitive to ketamine (much more so than tryptamines), and I had a little nausea earlier that evening, so I decided to take a super conservative dose.
Dose: 115 mg, followed by 40 mg
Weight: 115
Notes during the trip (corrected for spelling):
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+0:45 - feeling heavy, slight nausea
+1:00- nice body buzz, slight numbness in face and extremities. floaty and relaxed. resting on cotton candy clouds
+1:15 - took another 40 mg
+1:50 - rolling around in bed, stretching has never felt so good. so content and relaaaxed. I'm becoming my own visualizer. the beat is playing up and down each of my limbs. the CEV images are beautiful. giant black bird, flapping immense wings slowly to the beat of the song, moving the air in perfect time. lazy. happy. the aesthetics of this are fantastic - keep seeing images of cliffs near the ocean, sun setting in colors on waves. feeling of expansion, stretching.
+ 2:30 - after rolling around for hours, sudden rush of lucidity, drive and something that tastes like impatience(?). feel the need to get up and do something! maybe I should go for a run.
+ 2:45 - that wave passed quickly. back to lounging. very pleasant, but far too lucid. is this what opiates are like for other people? the fact that I can write is impressive. the fact that I just read instructions for boston style baked beans is plain sad. need to double up the dose next time.
and wtf is up with smells? air is suddenly catpee scented. hope that goes away.
+ 3:00 - my god it's difficult to type in any way that will be readable tomorrow. fuck spelling. am becoming a little.. bored? pleasant, floaty, but no insights, no interesting thoughts, no speeding through k tunnels or wandering through k palace rooms.
+3:15 - there is an interesting quality here, almost lyrical. the stuff wants to show me pretty things and places, read me good poetry. at this dose, I am not being transported to other worlds so much as catching wafts of them - and they're all ethereal and full of light. not dark at all. it even lacks the serpentine movements of good acid. feel like I should be wandering through an art museum.
fingers and mouth still lightly numb. going to try walking and find the boy for company.
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Overall, somewhat similar to ketamine, but has a really interesting ethereal feel. It also feels super smooth and easygoing, but that may have been because of how low the dose was. Can't imagine this being scary at any dose though. Moving around created some nausea, but less than with ketamine. Overall felt slightly more up and mobile than I would have at a similar dose of ketamine.
The comedown was cozy, happy. Fell asleep 5.5 hrs after ingestion of initial dose. Feel pretty good today - calm, but out of it. Also remarkably uncoordinated - I keep dropping things and running into things. I can see the next day being a complete wash on a higher dose. Can't wait to try again, at either 2x the dose orally, or (more likely) at the appropriate IM dose.
damagicman
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I really don't agree. Benzos brain damage is on par with drinking acute or addicted. Clonazepam has shown to "have no effect on body temperature" http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/001429998790464X
If you want to reduce your body temperature to normal take acetaminophen aka paracetamol.
Recreational drugs are all brain damaging the sooner you learn that the better.
ungelesene_bettlek
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this is just wrong. where have you got it from, anti-drug-propaganda?
Thorns Have Roses
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Alright folks, just got a couple of g's of this to play with, so I wanted to bring this thread up from the grave to post results of experimentation (which should start in about a month's time, or 2 days, depending on willpower). Material is clearish and crystaline (not from the European supplier) hcl salt.
So a couple of questions, would rather not resort to P.O. route and can't plug anything right now (I'd rather not get into that, but I have reasons). Didn't see any solid info on solubility, but from what I heard it's a pain to get it to dissolve in a small enough amount of water to IM it. Is that the case / what is everyone else's experience with that? Is vaporization a viable option?
So a couple of questions, would rather not resort to P.O. route and can't plug anything right now (I'd rather not get into that, but I have reasons). Didn't see any solid info on solubility, but from what I heard it's a pain to get it to dissolve in a small enough amount of water to IM it. Is that the case / what is everyone else's experience with that? Is vaporization a viable option?
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