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The Big & Dandy 4-MeO-PCP Thread

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Starting dose of 4-meo-pcp

Weight: 165
Only dissociative SWIM used: very high tolerance to DXM ( at least twice a week for 9 months) Haven't used in 3 months at least.
No ketamine experience. SWIM just aquired a gram of 4-meo-pcp

What would be a good starting dose? Swim plans on dosing tonight,and since he has such a high tolerance to DXM, 900mg is what it takes to barely begin third plateau) So with tolerance considered, and the fact that I'm dissolving the 4-meo-pcp in a shot glass with water and sucking the solution into a syringe for rectal administartion (best bioavailability), what would be a good starting dose?
 
Do you actually want to trip?

You can begin to get a 'feel' for the sensations this drug will produce at 50mg rectally. You won't trip though. If you want something equivalent to a third plateau DXM trip's intensity (but superior in every way) you probably need 220mg to 300mg rectally.

When I get a chance to try this stuff again I'm going to start at 300mg.
 
I dosed it rectally 200mg. Moderately intense. the 1-3 hour peak was very cartoonish, felt very similar to DXM. Felt like more of a pure dissociative feel, but that's what I lose the most! Im thinking if 200mg was pretty intense, i just wanted to finally experience a p=hole, I plan on 1 more experience with this substane tonight (probably 300mg0 which I believe is enough to induce a phole
 
Tried this last night. Writing this while still in the afterglow.

Previous disassociative experience:
DXM: 750mg use to to be good for a third plateau. DXM has lost its magic even in doses up to 1250mg. I explored no further and gave up on it. 3 years since recreational use.
ketamine: I use twice a year to not lose the magic. 220mg snorted or 130mg IM.

Tried 100mg of 4-meo-pcp plugged followed by 110mg 4-meo-pcp plugged after an hour when I realized 100mg was too little. Felt very much like ketamine before and after the k-hole. Dissociation of 210mg felt similar to that of 140mg ketamine where I can barely walk. Never entered the hole I was looking for. Even added 100mg of snorted ketamine to jump start things with no luck. After 5 hours I realized that it was time to call it quits. Here I am 15 hrs later with a dxm like hangover still affecting my ability to interact with my world.

Conclusion: I'm thinking that next time I should try 250mg all at once to search for the hole. Otherwise the experience seemed like a very powerful dxm trip or ketamine without the k-hole. It seems to have more effects similar to dxm and ketamine than effects unique to this chemical alone. That was slightly disappointing.

The problem with combining ketamine with other psychedelics is its short duration. With 4-meo-pcp, I think it will mix more favorably with psychedelics that have at least three hour durations. Can't wait to try this out.

I found it interesting that I couldn't get 100mg to dissolve completely in 3ml of water. Seems it might not be a good canidate for iv or im adminstration.
 
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I have a gram of this stuff in my possession and from what I have read, it's like this. rectal>oral> (insufflation?) I'm kind of on a path for convenience, and I think Rectal administration just sounds complicated, I'm very shaky and would never be able to pull it off. Although I have nothing against it. So what is the best way to go about this? Is this chemical better off eaten? The doses just seem so high orally, seems wasteful. May just plug this.
 
Plugging is ridiculously easy, Deadly. You'd have to work hard to fuck it up, to be honest. In a situation like this were it's so clearly the optimum ROA it wouldn't even be a question for me. Once you look to the back you never look back ;)
 
So, I just put it into 100ml of water, in an oral syringe, and well, ya know the rest?
 
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He may have meant all of his gram in the 100mL and only plugged part of the solution right now.
 
I tried the 320mg rectally (definitely omparable to a third plateau DXM trip except in every aspect better) Yet I still experienced no where near a p-hole/khole. Some good CEVS, no OEVS even with the lights completely off. Is my tolerance really that high? I only have 250mg left, which seems like a waste considering what I just experienced. I say I will acquire another gram and dose 450mg rectally. i am 100% certain this will get my where I am wanting to go. Any advice?
 
Haddaway said:
Weight: 165
Only dissociative SWIM used: very high tolerance to DXM ( at least twice a week for 9 months) Haven't used in 3 months at least.
No ketamine experience. SWIM just aquired a gram of 4-meo-pcp

What would be a good starting dose? Swim plans on dosing tonight,and since he has such a high tolerance to DXM, 900mg is what it takes to barely begin third plateau) So with tolerance considered, and the fact that I'm dissolving the 4-meo-pcp in a shot glass with water and sucking the solution into a syringe for rectal administartion (best bioavailability), what would be a good starting dose?
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I merged this post in but it went up a few so I quoted it to be at the bottom.

To the poster of this thread: as you can see we have a thread for 4-MeO-PCP already. Undoubtedly there is discussion of dosage in here already, too. If you have a new topic to discuss about it a drug, you can create a new thread,but for a simple question that can be quickly answered, we prefer to use the existing mega-threads.

Thanks!
 
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I tried the 320mg rectally (definitely omparable to a third plateau DXM trip except in every aspect better) Yet I still experienced no where near a p-hole/khole. Some good CEVS, no OEVS even with the lights completely off. Is my tolerance really that high? I only have 250mg left, which seems like a waste considering what I just experienced. I say I will acquire another gram and dose 450mg rectally. i am 100% certain this will get my where I am wanting to go. Any advice?
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Any answers please?
 
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Any answers please?
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I'm inclined to say that you didn't give your body enough time to recover. I like to wait at least one, preferably two weeks between doses for full effects.

You also mentioned dxm--poem cross tolerates with it so if you've killed dxm for yourself then you can pretty much forget about fully enjoying poem.
 
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While I should receive another gram in a week. At which time I will dose 450mg rectally. I am certainly hope this puts me deep in a p-hole. If 320 didn't, is it likely 450 will?
 
I have heard of people needing over 800mg rectally with little or no tolerance to reach the "p-hole" (or urethra as I like to call it). I most certainly wouldn't recommend doses like that but there seems to be a huge variation in dosing with this one. Take it up slow and steady, listen to your body and respect what it tells you rather than force it is all I can suggest. I have never used 4-MeO-PCP so I really don't know the dose-response curve myself other than it seems to be even more of a YMMV thing than most.
 
...listen to your body..
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doesn't happen with 4-meo-pcp.

the new 4-meo-pcp has better quality and i think 100-120mg IV works very well with a good filter (no rush with a build up for several minutes)

i think it's unlike k with re-dosing. any exploration of p-holes aren't worth it.
the other things you're able to do in a 4-meo-pcp flush of hours and hours are countless...
 
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150mg Impressed me, but I'm going to go for a p hole, 150 was a bit tame. I'll probably try 250 next. 150 was like high high 2nd plateau DXM.
 
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