Delsyd
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^can you be more specific.
how long?
what are the effects like?
how long?
what are the effects like?
The Big & Dandy 4-MeO-PCP Thread
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A four hour peak, then a slow tapering off over the next 18-24 hours. There's also a few days of afterglow when taken without a 5-HT2a agonist.
The effects are difficult to describe; profundity, synchronicity, depersonalization, ego loss, conflation of ideas, motor incoordination, euphoria, total analgesia, numbing, access to sentimental memory, self-analytical opportunity, incredible visualization ability, closed eye visuals, distortions of perception, white noise static, sparkles, rivers of patterns moving through textures, loss of balance, sensations of spinning or flying, urges to move, empathy, emotional bonding, delusions, and a contemplative state of confusion. When combined with a 5-HT2a agonist, there are less visuals and less confusion.
It's pretty hard to put one's finger on the differences between PCP, 4-MeO-PCP, DXM, ketamine, and nitrous oxide.
The effects are difficult to describe; profundity, synchronicity, depersonalization, ego loss, conflation of ideas, motor incoordination, euphoria, total analgesia, numbing, access to sentimental memory, self-analytical opportunity, incredible visualization ability, closed eye visuals, distortions of perception, white noise static, sparkles, rivers of patterns moving through textures, loss of balance, sensations of spinning or flying, urges to move, empathy, emotional bonding, delusions, and a contemplative state of confusion. When combined with a 5-HT2a agonist, there are less visuals and less confusion.
It's pretty hard to put one's finger on the differences between PCP, 4-MeO-PCP, DXM, ketamine, and nitrous oxide.
Delsyd
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^ i agree it is hard.
Your description actually sounds alot like what i experience on ketamine except for the duration.
What was the dose you used to attain those effects?
Your description actually sounds alot like what i experience on ketamine except for the duration.
What was the dose you used to attain those effects?
Shambles
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Yesterday, I received some of this substance and began with my experimentation.
This was actually my first Dissassociative, so I had no tolerance, nor did I know exactly what to expect.
Weighed out 100mg and proceeded to take it orally. Nasty taste, but was expected.
Around a half hour after it was taken, I could feel the effects start to take shape. I began feeling slightly stoned, and my body began getting lighter and heavier at the same time. Looking side to side was not pleasant, as it made me too dizzy.
I stepped up from my chair and proceeded to waddle over to my bed while my body is trying to pull me to the floor. I turned on some music and proceeded to lay in a nice dreamy daze for the next half hour or so.
Suddenly I started feeling sick. Nausea was starting to kick in for whatever reason. I started yelling my friends name, taking all my concentration just to get his name out of my mouth. I wasn't scared, I was just trying to get him to bring me a bucket, but it was too late. Before he responded I was already sitting up while I began to throw up. Luckily I was able to waddle myself into the bathroom quickly and sit next to the toilet, where I experienced episodic nausea for the next half hour or so. I was sweating terribly and throwing up didn't feel natural at all. It didn't help that I could not even feel my throat, either.
Nausea for me from substances, especially ones that make you slightly dizzy, is common. I have a weak stomach and I didn't even have anything in my stomach to come up.
After I was basically done throwing up, for the next hour or so I sat right there next to the wall of the bathroom. It was then that I was peaking most, and while the setting of a bathroom floor isn't exactly what I would call pleasant, at this time I had no complaints of my location.I sat on the floor with my arms crossed, rested on my knees and my head on my arms, eyes closed. At this level, there were not many hallucinations but at times I did feel related to all the sounds around me, or that my body simply wasn't there. It would take a motion of my arm or me clearing my throat to realize that I was still attached to my body. There was a black lab barking outside the bathroom window, birds chirping, my music coming from another room and the smell of a barbecue outside. All the sounds and senses around me mixed together in separate regions of my head. Being able to sit still with my eyes closed and just listen to and mix all the sounds around me was a real nice experience. While I figure I was nowhere near a k-hole type experience, I do get the idea that I had brief flashes of what could be possible at such a level. My mind would begin to float away, my body would become lighter and my nausea would settle completely, but I think because the dose wasn't high enough, before I could float too far it was like there was a tether around my foot that kept pulling me down to earth once I got to a certain height. Once I'd realize I'm back to Earth again, my body would come back to me, and sometimes the nausea would follow, although my initial nausea was the only one that made me puke.
After a while I finally felt comfortable with trying to find my way back to my bed. I had my friend get me a clean shirt as there was vomit on mine, and at first my decision was to slowly crawl back to my room, pushing myself with my feet. But after about 4 feet I just said fuck it, picked myself up, waddled back to the bedroom as quickly and best I could and collapsed at the bed. Here I proceeded to enjoy the rest of the experience, mostly with eyes closed. At some point around the 4 hour mark after ingestion, everything started coming back to me. I was able to put together a sentence to explain myself and I could move more than one body part at a time without struggle. Before I could watch the whole world piece itself back together though, I am pretty sure I fell asleep. In an hour or so I woke up, still feeling the effects but not nearly as strong. I was still pretty tired but made myself get up so I could rate the effects and experience the afterglow. The afterglow people talk about really is a long one. While my mind slowly began to put itself back together, it seemed like my body was the one that took the longest to become normal again. It was heavy for the whole night and when I turned my head I still became a bit dizzy much later into the evening.
In the end, I need to experiment with dosages more(this was a trial, and for the whole experience I probably will need more). It was an enjoyable experience for the most part. At infrequent times it would become a little scary, but is expected and was controlled as best as possible. The nausea is a problem, but I think it won't be a problem for many people. If you have a weak stomach like me though, be ready for the nausea to set in sooner or later.
As I said, this was my first disassociative so I don't have much to compare it with. The dizziness from turning my head reminded a lot of opiates because they do the same thing to me. The first seconds after opening my eyes when they were closed for a while was dizzying as well, as it took a few seconds for the world around me to come into focus. The afterglow also reminded me a bit of an opiate afterglow, however I'm not trying to relate the two subjects as they are obviously very different.
At this level I feel the intoxicating effects wore on me a little too hard. Now whether these intoxicating effects will get worse or easier to deal with at higher level is yet to be seen, however I feel if I was at a higher level I would be able to 'slip away' a little easier and not worry about my body as much.
Through the whole experience, while my mind was definitely running laps around itself, I also felt a profound sense of clarity. I couldn't put many sentences together but when my friend was checking on me I kept telling him "I'm ok, don't worry about me. Mentally..I'm ok". I had to learn to be comfortable in the confusion a little, but after I stopped searching for the answers they just kinda came to me
I don't know when my next dose will be, however I do plan on trying again. I will try to give another review if and when the next experience comes. Overall it's not something I regret trying, but it's probably not something I would do often either.
This was actually my first Dissassociative, so I had no tolerance, nor did I know exactly what to expect.
Weighed out 100mg and proceeded to take it orally. Nasty taste, but was expected.
Around a half hour after it was taken, I could feel the effects start to take shape. I began feeling slightly stoned, and my body began getting lighter and heavier at the same time. Looking side to side was not pleasant, as it made me too dizzy.
I stepped up from my chair and proceeded to waddle over to my bed while my body is trying to pull me to the floor. I turned on some music and proceeded to lay in a nice dreamy daze for the next half hour or so.
Suddenly I started feeling sick. Nausea was starting to kick in for whatever reason. I started yelling my friends name, taking all my concentration just to get his name out of my mouth. I wasn't scared, I was just trying to get him to bring me a bucket, but it was too late. Before he responded I was already sitting up while I began to throw up. Luckily I was able to waddle myself into the bathroom quickly and sit next to the toilet, where I experienced episodic nausea for the next half hour or so. I was sweating terribly and throwing up didn't feel natural at all. It didn't help that I could not even feel my throat, either.
Nausea for me from substances, especially ones that make you slightly dizzy, is common. I have a weak stomach and I didn't even have anything in my stomach to come up.
After I was basically done throwing up, for the next hour or so I sat right there next to the wall of the bathroom. It was then that I was peaking most, and while the setting of a bathroom floor isn't exactly what I would call pleasant, at this time I had no complaints of my location.I sat on the floor with my arms crossed, rested on my knees and my head on my arms, eyes closed. At this level, there were not many hallucinations but at times I did feel related to all the sounds around me, or that my body simply wasn't there. It would take a motion of my arm or me clearing my throat to realize that I was still attached to my body. There was a black lab barking outside the bathroom window, birds chirping, my music coming from another room and the smell of a barbecue outside. All the sounds and senses around me mixed together in separate regions of my head. Being able to sit still with my eyes closed and just listen to and mix all the sounds around me was a real nice experience. While I figure I was nowhere near a k-hole type experience, I do get the idea that I had brief flashes of what could be possible at such a level. My mind would begin to float away, my body would become lighter and my nausea would settle completely, but I think because the dose wasn't high enough, before I could float too far it was like there was a tether around my foot that kept pulling me down to earth once I got to a certain height. Once I'd realize I'm back to Earth again, my body would come back to me, and sometimes the nausea would follow, although my initial nausea was the only one that made me puke.
After a while I finally felt comfortable with trying to find my way back to my bed. I had my friend get me a clean shirt as there was vomit on mine, and at first my decision was to slowly crawl back to my room, pushing myself with my feet. But after about 4 feet I just said fuck it, picked myself up, waddled back to the bedroom as quickly and best I could and collapsed at the bed. Here I proceeded to enjoy the rest of the experience, mostly with eyes closed. At some point around the 4 hour mark after ingestion, everything started coming back to me. I was able to put together a sentence to explain myself and I could move more than one body part at a time without struggle. Before I could watch the whole world piece itself back together though, I am pretty sure I fell asleep. In an hour or so I woke up, still feeling the effects but not nearly as strong. I was still pretty tired but made myself get up so I could rate the effects and experience the afterglow. The afterglow people talk about really is a long one. While my mind slowly began to put itself back together, it seemed like my body was the one that took the longest to become normal again. It was heavy for the whole night and when I turned my head I still became a bit dizzy much later into the evening.
In the end, I need to experiment with dosages more(this was a trial, and for the whole experience I probably will need more). It was an enjoyable experience for the most part. At infrequent times it would become a little scary, but is expected and was controlled as best as possible. The nausea is a problem, but I think it won't be a problem for many people. If you have a weak stomach like me though, be ready for the nausea to set in sooner or later.
As I said, this was my first disassociative so I don't have much to compare it with. The dizziness from turning my head reminded a lot of opiates because they do the same thing to me. The first seconds after opening my eyes when they were closed for a while was dizzying as well, as it took a few seconds for the world around me to come into focus. The afterglow also reminded me a bit of an opiate afterglow, however I'm not trying to relate the two subjects as they are obviously very different.
At this level I feel the intoxicating effects wore on me a little too hard. Now whether these intoxicating effects will get worse or easier to deal with at higher level is yet to be seen, however I feel if I was at a higher level I would be able to 'slip away' a little easier and not worry about my body as much.
Through the whole experience, while my mind was definitely running laps around itself, I also felt a profound sense of clarity. I couldn't put many sentences together but when my friend was checking on me I kept telling him "I'm ok, don't worry about me. Mentally..I'm ok". I had to learn to be comfortable in the confusion a little, but after I stopped searching for the answers they just kinda came to me
I don't know when my next dose will be, however I do plan on trying again. I will try to give another review if and when the next experience comes. Overall it's not something I regret trying, but it's probably not something I would do often either.
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lysergication
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nice report, thank you !
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@ Paperw8: That sounds terrible. I'm fairly inexperienced with disassociatives myself but get the impression that they are an acquired taste of sorts.
I wouldn't say it was terrible, especially if you are used to nausea as I have become accustomed to. The worst part was throwing up and sweating because of it, but besides that I can't say there was much to complain about. I was completely comfortable in my head, but the dizziness and nausea was bothersome, yes.
Xorkoth
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It seemed like he had a nice experience overall to me. Nausea isn't good, but it certainly doesn't make an experience terrible all by itself if there are redeeming qualities to the it.
Thanks for the report, paperw8. Welcome to Bluelight and PD.
Thanks for the report, paperw8. Welcome to Bluelight and PD.
Very welcome, and thank you
Tried my 2nd experience of this yesterday, a day after my initial dose.
150mg this time. Takin with a shot of water and washed down with OJ, which did amazingly well at hiding the taste afterwards. Much better than coca cola did the first time.
This time it seemed the effects took just a tad longer to hit me. They came on a bit more gradual and I was able to properly prepare myself on my bed and have everything around me while the initial symptoms occured.
For the first few hours of this trip, it was MUCH more pleasant than the first time around. Surprisingly I had absolutely no nausea, not even a feeling of it until a bit later on in the evening. I was able to keep my eyes open for the entire trip whereas last time most of my trip was spent in my head with my thoughts and eyes closed.
No desire to move my body or my head whatsoever, I layed down on my back, put on a movie that looked to at least keep my interest visually, turned down the volume and turned up some music, and just chilled watching the scenes across the tv, imagining the music playing along with the movie. It was pretty funny how sometimes the song would match exactly to what was happening in the movie, or at least I made it out to be that way.
Somehow, for some reason, decided to try my luck at a video game. Surprisingly, very surprisingly, I didn't do that bad, even though I could barely concentrate and confusion was quite simple. I don't know how I was able to keep my fingers moving though, as it took a very conscious decision to move any specific body part during the entire trip. However I only played one level and said I rather watch the world in front of me rather than have control of it, so I turned it off, put some random movie on so I could have something to look at and lied in peace with my thoughts.
After about a 2 hour peak, and a little less strong 1 hour transition, the afterglow started hitting. And this afterglow was much stronger and was much longer than the first. I started my trip at around 3:30, and by the time I went to sleep in the early A.M., I was still quite dizzy and lethargic. My face was numb like I've been drinking all night but I wasn't dizzy to the point of falling over, just a bit sickening to look around or move too much.
The peak was absolutely wonderful this time, my head was completely clear(thought comfortably confused), content, and I was in a very comfortable zone just sinking and sinking into my bed, seeing my toes out of the corner of my eyes and every few minutes making a conscious effort to wiggle them.
But, for me, the afterglow(or whatever you'd like to call it at this point) really wears on me way too much for this to become a common drug. It was one of those things where I don't think I would've felt better until I had a night's rest and that's the main reason why I went to sleep last night. The disassociative effects are mostly gone and you are just left a bit numb, lethargic and unable to make quick movements.
Woke up this morning pretty tired and a headache, but that could be from a couple factors. 4-meo-pcp takes away my hunger(as if I'd be able to eat anyways) and my desire to drink anything, so I think the headache is mostly from going the whole previous day without eating or drinking anything but a glass of orange juice.
Besides that I haven't seen any wear on my body at all the next day. After yesterday and that long afterglow I think it will be a bit of a break for me until next time, but still, the peak was VERY exquisite and beautiful. I enjoyed myself overall.
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psood0nym
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Great description. I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but I'd like to read any elaborations or personal illustrations you have of "self-analytical opportunity."
Paperw8: I've experienced nausea on this compound, too. I've found that the best way to avoid nausea on dissociatives is just to not move around much. I've never experienced nausea on any of the one's I've tried when I spent most of the trip in bed with my eyes closed.
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I was able to rapidly go over areas of memory I had forgotten were around, thinking about how various past events led to various outcomes later in the past and into the present. It was kind of an autobiographical visualization that was giving me insight after insight into why I am the way I am. The building blocks of my particular mannerisms, opinions, tastes, personality, etc.
Of course you can never remember the details of these things on a strong dissociative trip unless you're writing or recording yourself as you go.
Quick question for anyone who has plugged with this material.
Is it best to mix it in water and then shoot it up there, or stick it in a capsule and push it up? Does it make a difference?
sorry for any visuals this causes for people that don't want to think about this!![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Is it best to mix it in water and then shoot it up there, or stick it in a capsule and push it up? Does it make a difference?
sorry for any visuals this causes for people that don't want to think about this!
dread
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This is usually the method for stuffing things up your anus
shermin
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One of these days i will get around to trying this chem.
This is usually the method for stuffing things up your anus
If you just put it in a capsule and shove it up there, will that work too?
dread
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Depends on the capsule I guess...
Took 190mg oral yesterday,
Fantastic. No nausea, except once when my cat was meowing for some reason. I think that was too big of an attachment to the real world. If I'm alone with my thoughts and maybe some music I can completely let go and release all negative feelings in my body.
I ran through a lot of memories and life lessons. I'd have fleeting moments of euphoria and serenity, but then in about 5 minutes I'd have to repeat the whole process to achieve that feeling again because I forgot what I was happy about to begin with. it was a pleasurable experience. I can't imagine going much higher than this in dose(pretty content with the trip I had with this amount anyway). It was mostly easy to simply let go and get in that floaty feel of tunnel vision, but sometimes things like the silence between songs changing on the radio would interrupt my meditation and have me come back to my body for a minute or two.
I'm still feeling the afterglow..and I really don't like how long it lasts. The afterglow basically just makes me dizzy. Every other time it was pretty cured up by morning, but I'm still feeling a bit woozy when walking around my home now. Not nearly as bad as when I went to sleep though.
Next time I take a dose as high as this, I think I'll have to plug it...the taste is just too damn chemical. I can't even smell the bag of this stuff without wanting to gag after drinking that shite.
Fantastic. No nausea, except once when my cat was meowing for some reason. I think that was too big of an attachment to the real world. If I'm alone with my thoughts and maybe some music I can completely let go and release all negative feelings in my body.
I ran through a lot of memories and life lessons. I'd have fleeting moments of euphoria and serenity, but then in about 5 minutes I'd have to repeat the whole process to achieve that feeling again because I forgot what I was happy about to begin with. it was a pleasurable experience. I can't imagine going much higher than this in dose(pretty content with the trip I had with this amount anyway). It was mostly easy to simply let go and get in that floaty feel of tunnel vision, but sometimes things like the silence between songs changing on the radio would interrupt my meditation and have me come back to my body for a minute or two.
I'm still feeling the afterglow..and I really don't like how long it lasts. The afterglow basically just makes me dizzy. Every other time it was pretty cured up by morning, but I'm still feeling a bit woozy when walking around my home now. Not nearly as bad as when I went to sleep though.
Next time I take a dose as high as this, I think I'll have to plug it...the taste is just too damn chemical. I can't even smell the bag of this stuff without wanting to gag after drinking that shite.
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