Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MiPT Thread - 2nd MiPteration

[iom]

I have read about people claiming to have tripped for around 20 hours on this substance(!!!) the difference in effects and duration that I read online is mindblowing thats why I came here to ask, perhaps the dose and route of administration greatly affect the perceived effects...
I'm thinking about using somewhere between 20-30mg, do you think its ok for the first time? i'm somewhat experienced with psychedelics, starting now with rcs...

Twenty hours?!! I don't think I've read any reports like that. That's wild! For me this one is fast. I experience it to be shorter than mushrooms. I don't recall specifically how long it lasted, but I think it was around 3-5 hours as opposed to the 4-6 or so for mushrooms. It seems to lose its peak strength a lot sooner than mushrooms but then effect linger at a low level for a good while after the drop.

I tend to be very conservative in my starting dose recommendations because I've seen highly experienced trippers get overwhelmed on a first trip with a substance they were unfamiliar with. There was a guy I knew who took 12 mg 2C-E to as a first time dose by my advice, even though he requested a strong experience. For a typical tripper, 12 mg would be pretty moderate, while many hard-heads would not feel much from it at all. Well he got completely smashed and completely regretted starting that high. He later came to appreciate 2C-E at a "powerful but controllable" dose of 8 mg. After witnessing that, I recommend only 8 mg 2C-E to first timers, or 10 mg if highly experienced.

So with this in mind, I think 12 mg 4-HO-MiPT fumerate is probably a good first dose for a highly experienced tripper. It will probably be modest or even weak, but that might be better than being overwhelmed for 20 hours (?) if one turns out to be highly sensitive. For its cousin 4-Aco-MiPT, I'd suggest 14 mg as a good starting point for experienced trippers. That's what I did my first time, and even though it was somewhat modest in intensity, it was actually a beautiful trip, hinting at Shulgin (++++) in some ways. Also, 4-Aco-MiPT for me seems even faster than 4-HO-MiPT. On that trip, I experienced significant body energy and psychedelic tremor after only 5 minutes, and by 20 minutes, I was fully tripping. Sadly, considering the breathtaking beauty of the trip, it dropped rapidly after the first 90 minutes, and I felt mostly down already only two after after taking it.

 

[Medevilx]

How would you compare 20mg of 4-HO-MiPT with 20mg of 4-HO-MET?

20mg of 4-HO-MET didn’t do that much for me….

 

[Innerpeace]

Miprocin was first psychedelic journey, at 17 mgs , it was plenty..

 

[Pfafffed]

How would you compare 20mg of 4-HO-MiPT with 20mg of 4-HO-MET?

20mg of 4-HO-MET didn’t do that much for me….

Maybe equipotent? That said, I've pushed 4-AcO-MET to 40mg, but have never felt I needed to push 4-HO-MiPT much past 20mg. I think that's more about the character than the potency, though.

 

[Medevilx]

Maybe equipotent? That said, I've pushed 4-AcO-MET to 40mg, but have never felt I needed to push 4-HO-MiPT much past 20mg. I think that's more about the character than the potency, though.

Curious….

20mg of 4-HO-MET felt little more potent than 20mg of 4-HO-MiPT to me…slightly. But it didn’t do much for me, ext time I’ll try 30mg 4-HO-MiPT

 

[rollinwhite]

I haven't read through the entire thread yet so apologies if this has been discussed before, but does anyone experience pitch shifting effects from Miprocin? I've never taken DiPT but it's exactly like people describe those effects. Everything gets pitched down at least a whole step. I actually find it somewhat annoying because the first 2-3 times I took Miprocin I don't experience it, and it just felt like very euphoric mushroom trips for the most part.
The only other time I've heard anyone mention this was in a Hamilton Morris podcast where he talks to an austrian PCE chemist, who, I think, experienced this with straight MiPT, not 4-HO-MiPT, but I'm not sure which he said it was.
Interestingly, it happened only after I IV'd Miprocin for the first time and now it happens every time, and also persits way longer than the trip lasts, like well into the following morning.

 

[Kaleida]

I haven't read through the entire thread yet so apologies if this has been discussed before, but does anyone experience pitch shifting effects from Miprocin? I've never taken DiPT but it's exactly like people describe those effects. Everything gets pitched down at least a whole step. I actually find it somewhat annoying because the first 2-3 times I took Miprocin I don't experience it, and it just felt like very euphoric mushroom trips for the most part.
The only other time I've heard anyone mention this was in a Hamilton Morris podcast where he talks to an austrian PCE chemist, who, I think, experienced this with straight MiPT, not 4-HO-MiPT, but I'm not sure which he said it was.
Interestingly, it happened only after I IV'd Miprocin for the first time and now it happens every time, and also persits way longer than the trip lasts, like well into the following morning.

Yep, I’ve gotten this from both 4-HO-MiPT and MiPT. In neither case is it anywhere near as strong as in DiPT, but it’s definitely the same kind of distortions. I sympathize with you because while it’s an intriguing novelty and even objectively quite interesting, it’s the main thing I don’t like about DiPT when it comes to actually using it as a psychedelic trip. The effect actually makes my ears hurt and causes an annoying ringing alongside other audio distortions even at not too extreme levels of effect. Luckily though it doesn’t just readily recur for me on the MiPTs, I’ve only had it once on each both with a higher dosage.

How long has it been since the first time? Maybe it can become sensitized? If it hasn’t been long I’d try some time off.

 

[rollinwhite]

It's been about 6 months since I first took 4-ho-mipt. I haven't used it much in that time qnd the first time I experienced the pitch shifting phenomena was just a week ago. It was only a threshold dose IV'd just to see what it's like and how I'd handle it. A day after I took an oral dose of about 20mg give or take a few mg. And that's when I noticed it. At first I wasn't even sure but song after song it became more clear. I took it twice since then, which is admittedly a bit much and a bit premature to say anything happens every time.
I had just IV'd 25mg again and while the audio distortions are still present, this time they seem to fluctuate more in a wave like fashion but it definitely doesn't go away. Very odd. Never had anything like that happen on a trip. And if DiPT is even more intense than MiPT or Miprocin in regards to the auditory distortions then I have no interest in ever trying it. I'm glad enough I finally get some minor visuals again after years of somehow barely getting any visuals.

 

[Innerpeace]

I haven't read through the entire thread yet so apologies if this has been discussed before, but does anyone experience pitch shifting effects from Miprocin? I've never taken DiPT but it's exactly like people describe those effects. Everything gets pitched down at least a whole step. I actually find it somewhat annoying because the first 2-3 times I took Miprocin I don't experience it, and it just felt like very euphoric mushroom trips for the most part.
The only other time I've heard anyone mention this was in a Hamilton Morris podcast where he talks to an austrian PCE chemist, who, I think, experienced this with straight MiPT, not 4-HO-MiPT, but I'm not sure which he said it was.
Interestingly, it happened only after I IV'd Miprocin for the first time and now it happens every time, and also persits way longer than the trip lasts, like well into the following morning.

Done maybe ten miprocin expiriences, all orally, never seemed to noticed hearing being effected, while on 4-ho-mipt

 

[Jonneh]

I absolutely adore 4-HO-MiPT.

I take it a couple of times a year. Most recently I took 30 mg (fumarate, dissolved in water, at 85kg on an empty stomach) and after an unusually fast (~10-15-minute) onset with a splash of nervousness, I settled into a warm, erotic and gently energetic space in which music sounded incredible (dj'd live through speakers in a four-channel setup at a small improvised outdoor gathering with a fire) and I felt compelled to dance. CEVs were dark, consisting of worms with sharp teeth, twisted vines, and mysterious nooks and crannies in a caved landscape. Gorgeous, and wholly non-threatening in the context of the fuzzy, relaxed body feels and eroticism. Some of this imaginarium was likely coaxed out by the dark ambient music playing, with its smattering of croaks and gargles and slithering synths, but I do find this substance to have a dark edge, which I personally find interesting---it has a depth to it that I haven't found with 4-sub MET or DET but also a warmer feel than the similarly deep 4-AcO-DMT. I feel completely socially relaxed and chatty with it, much more than on LSD or phenethylamines.

The whole experience is over in a hurry (for me; I see that others such as Didgital have much longer trips with it), which is a shame, and I am typically close to baseline after only a couple of hours. Since the come-up is so fast and somewhat anxiogenic because of its abruptness, I'm wondering if I might kill two birds with one stone by staggering doses over the course of the first 45 minutes to hour to reach a higher total dose and hopefully extend the experience while smoothening out the come-up and maintaining a similar peak level. To be experimented with.

I usually have a beautiful afterglow the next day.

All in all, just lovely stuff---probably my favourite tryptamine, and indeed drug full stop given that tryptamines are my favourite class (OK, it's tied with MDMA).

 

[SuperPsych]

I absolutely adore 4-HO-MiPT.

I take it a couple of times a year. Most recently I took 30 mg (at 85kg) on an empty stomach, and after an unusually fast (~10-15-minute) come-up with a splash of nervousness, I settled into a warm, erotic and gently energetic space in which music sounded incredible (played through big speakers at a small improvised outdoor gathering with a fire) and I felt compelled to dance. CEVs were dark, consisting of worms with sharp teeth, twisted vines, and mysterious nooks and crannies in a caved landscape. Gorgeous, and wholly non-threatening in the context of the fuzzy, relaxed body feels and eroticism. Some of this imaginarium was likely coaxed out by the dark ambient music playing, with its smattering of croaks and gargles and slithering synths, but I do find this substance to have a dark edge, which I personally find interesting---it has a depth to it that I haven't found with 4-sub MET or DET but also a warmer feel than the similarly deep 4-AcO-DMT. I feel completely socially relaxed and chatty with it, much more than on LSD or phenethylamines.

The whole experience is over in a hurry (for me; I see that others such as Didgital have much longer trips with it), which is a shame, and I am typically close to baseline after only a couple of hours. Since the come-up is so fast and somewhat anxiogenic because of its abruptness, I'm wondering if I might kill two birds with one stone by staggering doses over the course of the first 45 minutes to hour to reach a higher total dose and hopefully extend the experience while smoothening out the come-up and maintaining a similar peak level. To be experimented with.

I usually have a beautiful afterglow the next day.

All in all, just lovely stuff---probably my favourite tryptamine, and indeed drug full stop given that tryptamines are my favourite class (OK, it's tied with MDMA).

That sounds like an absolutely amazing experience. I'm happy to hear that you had good time It does have a damn near perfect blend of depth, humor and pleasantness for a psychedelic. I will use psychedelics to ease my depression when I feel like. If I've been in a fairly mild depression for a while and know that I'd benefit from a psychedelic hitting the ole serotonin receptors, I'll typically reach for something less abrasive, such as 4-HO-MET or 2C-B. Something that'll break up the mundane of the day to day but most likely won't be leading to deep and difficult introspection. If I've been deeply depressed, especially if suicidal ideation is involved; then I'm more likely to reach for something that will lead to a more turbulent and introspective headspace such as 4-HO-MIPT or Mushrooms. The depression leads to a desperation and feeling of necessity that makes the anxiety of knowing that I'll like be experiencing some challenging moments in the coming hours much easier to confront. That is whats so great and beautiful about those psychedelics. It's also why they work so damn well for depression. They completely challenge my regular way of thinking and my regular way of thinking is what leads me to being depressed. 4-ACO-DMT scares me a little bit. It's got a seriousness ingrained into it's character. I've had worthwhile experiences with it before in the past but the bulk of my experiences with it were when I was in my late teens. The last couple of times that I've consumed it, it has been well into the peak of a 4-HO-MIPT experience. Just 6mg or so of 4-ACO-DMT used to extend the duration has both times instantly changed the character of the trip. The happy, almost carefree but still deep headspace of the Miprocin is taken over to the more serious and almost dark character of the 4-ACO-DMT.

4-HO-MIPT produces the same come up anxiety for me. Every single time I get that "Oh shit, what did I do to myself?" feeling but luckily it ends as quickly as it arrives. It always surprises me how a psychedelic that causes that sort of anxiety rolls into one of the most joyous and happy to be in the moment experiences. I've never once had a bad time with it. I don't think I've ever pushed the dose over 18mg as even 14mg gets me to a +++. I'll have to try a higher dose sometime

My friend one time bought these pressed pills that were a mix of 4-HO-MIPT and MDMA. I wish I remembered the dosages because when those kicked in I felt some of the best that I have ever felt. Pure, unadulterated joy.

I think if I had to choose I'd say that 4-HO-MIPT is my favorite tryptamine as well. I have been taking a liking to 4-HO-MET more and more for its gentle headspace and basically no anxiety. Its definitely the psychedelic that I've been using the most often as of late. 4-HO-MIPT is a much richer experience I'd say.

 

[Esperighanto]

how was the 150? any reports around?

I've pushed it up towards 50-60mg before, and it never gained any "serious" or profound feelings and maintained miprocin's typical joviality. Pushing psilacetin above 30mg turns me into a fucking savage though, an unexaggerated "I would eat a home intruder right now" type of savage. Mip has this positive atmosphere about it that's super unique among drugs in general in my experience, though I'm also dying to hear about how the 150mg experience was.

I have mixed 40mg of miprocin, 25mg of DOM, 25mg of 2C-B (all railed as one huge line of "party powder"), and an unknown though enormous amount of smoked 3-MeO-PCP dippers once, and it was one of the most intense and profound experiences of my life. If you want a trip report written up on it just lmk and I'll get one posted over in the TR forum.

Edit: I just realized this is a 29 page thread and I was responding to a VERY old comment, my apologies.

--------------- Now reading just responses from the most recent month or two, sorry again about that ---------------

I haven't read through the entire thread yet so apologies if this has been discussed before, but does anyone experience pitch shifting effects from Miprocin? I've never taken DiPT but it's exactly like people describe those effects. Everything gets pitched down at least a whole step. I actually find it somewhat annoying because the first 2-3 times I took Miprocin I don't experience it, and it just felt like very euphoric mushroom trips for the most part.

I've never IV'd mip but I've used it a ton of times, as well as N.N-DiPT. I didn't experience, any severe pitch shifting on N.N-DiPT outside of a slight introduction of what I would describe as a former professional audio engineer as an excitement of overtones that did not follow the harmonic series, yet maintained a somewhat "metallic" quality that reminded me of having maybe an effects send at maybe 5-10% wetness through an old school Boss MT-2 distortion pedal. This was a technique I used to use to get a terrible sounding metallicly distorted version of a sound that I could then bandpass filter specific ranges out of to send back to the main mix.

Mip however felt a lot more like using a formant shifter, it reminded me heavily of the VST plug-in LittleAlterBoy by SoundToys. If I had this on 5-10% wetness with both the formant all the way up but the pitch only 20-40% up, it creates this uniquely distorted sort of "Alvin & The Chipmunks" sounding effect.

It also took 5-10 trips initially with mip before any audio effects were noticeable, though they started once I mixed it with LSD and sinicuichi. LSD and sinicuichi (or just sinicuichi on its own) are the most intense audio distortion inducers I've ever used, personally.

 

[rollinwhite]

It also took 5-10 trips initially with mip before any audio effects were noticeable, though they started once I mixed it with LSD and sinicuichi

Since then, have you consistently gotten auditory distortions from 4-HO-MiPT or has it only happened during some trips, and if so, do you find it is dose or ROA dependant? I'm probably going to use 4-HO-MiPT again for the first time tonight since I made the post you quoted, probably orally this time, or perhaps plugged, and I'm hoping the auditory effects won't occur, since I find them somewhat annoying, as stated in my initial post

 

[Esperighanto]

Since then, have you consistently gotten auditory distortions from 4-HO-MiPT or has it only happened during some trips, and if so, do you find it is dose or ROA dependant? I'm probably going to use 4-HO-MiPT again for the first time tonight since I made the post you quoted, probably orally this time, or perhaps plugged, and I'm hoping the auditory effects won't occur, since I find them somewhat annoying, as stated in my initial post

It usually only occurs if I'm dosing over 35 or so mg, which for most people is quite a bit of miprocin. I tend to trip hard though, a few nights ago I took 4mg of DOC, 2.25mg of DOB and 250mg of 2C-B HBr. I've never had a bad trip, don't think I can personally. Normal low doses still work just fine with me too, just keep in mind my personal physical responses, as everybody varies subjectively. I've only administered mip orally and intranasally, and I don't find there to be a huge difference in the two other than come-up time.

The audio effects aren't completely consistent until I reach ~25mg, but past that there's almost a guarantee of some sort of audio distortions, sometimes they vary heavily in character though compared to the ones I described.