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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread

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my first 4-ho-met experience

I just dosed 20mg of 4-ho-met last night around 9pm.
I started to notice the effects quite quickly... bout 20 mins.
I decided to take a bubble bath because sometimes I have rough come ups and that calms me.
Unfortunately my mom kept trying to talk to me in the bathroom while I was beginning to really trip lol. I noticed lots of shadows, colors shifting in the light. I had the similar feeling with mushrooms of the world breathing with me :)
Come up wasn't as bad as expected. I lied there in the bubbles and watch the towels expand as they normally do when I trip haha.
The rest of the trip was not as strong as I hoped. It did come in waves. At points tho I cried, laughed, got angry (probably because I tripped with my ex bf)
I did feel really goofy at points.
I listened to music but I did not really get similar effects of psilocin... it did not do much for me.
It was an ok compound. Thought the visuals might have been a lil more intense tho and less of an emotional roller coaster.
Trip didn't last that long I passed out around... 2-3 am.
Thought the experience was much enjoyable when I smoked a bowl as well.
IMO I would like to try it again. Maybe a stronger dose in a better setting.
 
Dondante said:
I tried this compound for the first time last weekend. My last tryptamine experience, aside from DMT, was in January '08. That trip was a true peak experience with 4-HO-DMT/4-AcO-DMT (IM) ... I submitted a trip report that a few of you may have read. I roughly tried to reapproximate the setting of that trip for a friend, except this time we both took 23 mg 4-HO-MET orally. We watched the BBC's Planet Earth while listening to Sigur Ros (among others). My friend found the intense body rushes and somatic hallucinations distracting early in the experience. There was a very abrupt peak. Visually, the compound was quite spectacular, but the melting walls and spiraling fractals seemed to lack the immersiveness of 4-HO-DMT. The experience ended up being a good time, but it was never profound or insightful. Overall I was quite disappointed with with this compound, but I can't write it off with only one experience.

I ended up adding 40 mg ketamine (IM) toward the end. I watched snow fall outside while listening to Kid A (an album I haven't listened to in a long time) and dancing like an idiot around my apartment.

Snow last weekend, temps in the 80s this weekend ... gotta love NC. <3
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yep i danced around my bedroom lol listening to gorillaz - dare. sigur ros, excellent choice i must add.
 
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Any experience of 4-ho-met + Syrian Rue? Do you think they would be OK together? 4-ho-met seems a little dull as it is.
 
i have taken 4-ho-met with moclobemide, it was a fantastic experience, rue should be fine but remember it to cut your 4-ho-met dose down by a half or at least a quarter.
 
I last took a tryptamine sometime in the summer of '05 I think, not including DMT (which is quite different in my book, though, I haven't had any of that in at least a year). I've had phenethylamines at my usual rate since then, maybe a bit reduced. I've decided 4-ho-met is going to be my "return home" to the tryptamines sometime this spring or summer. I'm looking at either taking it at a regional burning man type event, or just off camping deep in the mountains somewhere.

Thanks for keeping this alive. I'm familiar with the reports of a few that posted recently, which makes me think that, more and more, this is the right one.
 
4-ho-met

1mg did nothing

4mg also had no real noticable effect

6mg was mild, nothing too interesting happened, mild triptamine buzz

10mg was unexpectedly strong

It's possible that some of this is down to tolerance issues.

There is a trip report ready to post, as soon as lab results are back.
 
I had a wonderful trip on ~25 mg of 4-HO-MET this friday. Possibly the strongest aural and tactile psychedelia I've experienced yet - but extremely natural and comfortable. Listening to "Aqualung" by Jethro Tull was fantastic. Painting was very interesting.
 
The fumarate is pretty stable. I'd store it as is. Keep it somewhere dark, away from heat. All 4-Ho/AcO's I've seen stored in solution started to degrade pretty fast.
 
But wont it degrade to a certain extent anyways?
I was under the impression that tryptamine derivatives are much less stable than phens, even when they are stored as a fumarate salt.
Should I expect any loss of potency or color change over the next couple of months/years?
 
I can only tell you that I've not experienced the degradation you speak of. But I always used a freezer. From everything that I've read, and from first hand accounts from those I know, if you store the fumarate in a dark place away from heat, in an air tight container of some sort, you will have a good, strong product for years to come.
 
Thanks man, I really appreciate your help. I just want to make sure that I wont lose any product since this chemical is so rare and i'm spending so much money on it.
Do you think that storing my chems in an enclosed cooler with lunch box cold packs, while still being in another airtight container would help mimic conditions in the freezer?
 
I wouldn't say all 4-sub-T's are that unstable. I have stored 4-AcO-DMT fumarate in ethanol/water solution for several months without any noticable loss in potency, for example. Though the solution was stored in a freezer (always a good idea if this option is available to you). Sure, some 4-HO-T's are awfully unstable in solution (iprocin comes to mind), but I would not go as far as to make any generalizations.

Definitely do not use a solution if you're looking to store this long-term at room temp, but make sure it is airtight and away from any light and heat.
 
Thanks man, I really appreciate your help. I just want to make sure that I wont lose any product since this chemical is so rare and i'm spending so much money on it.
Do you think that storing my chems in an enclosed cooler with lunch box cold packs, while still being in another airtight container would help mimic conditions in the freezer?
 
I would not do that. They will be fine if kept as much as possible from air, heat and light.
 
Needed a suprisingly large dose when I.V'd. First 10mg, slight coulour enhancment and mood elevation. Wondered where did all the stuff go. Another 10mg 15 minutes later. Slightly more coulourful coulours and a nice feeling but nothing really out-of-the-ordinary. I'd think 10+10 mg would be much more powerful. 20 mg 15 minutes later. Boom! Was like a huge nitrous high that lasted around 1 hour gradually dropping until 5 h later things started to get normal again. Sleeping was easy after 6 hours (when eaten I stay up around 12-20 hours until I can get sleep).

I had a friend also tripping with me the same time with the same doses. I felt very cold but otherwise we didn't notice any negative body load. IV seems like a waste. I guess 4-ho-met has to go through the body or something to be converted into something else. Anyway my mood and energy levels have been great after the experiment. Something did seem to "click" in my head though on a mental (concious) level the trip didn't give any food for thoughts.
 
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