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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread

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i did 15mgs and one molly it wasnt ever too intense and i could have easily done more. pretty mild but veeery enjoyable. i took the molly about an hour after the 4-ho-met
 
What do you guys think about doing 4-HO-MET(15-17mg) at concert? I tried it once(20 mg), it was nice, but very "generic" and didn't bring me anything special.

My initial plan was doing 12-16 mg of 2C-I, but it has too much side-effects(nausea, in particular) and slow come-up, whereas 4-HO-MET was side-effects free, and comes up quite fast.

So, my main questions are: how strong are music-enhancing properties for you? Did you ever experienced synaesthesia on this chemical and how often?
 
it seems to offer a fair amount in the audio enhancement arena, never experienced synesthesia on it, but haven't taken more than 22mg thus far. i would use caution taking it in a public setting, but it doesn't seem quite as confusing as some of the lower homologues
 
I'm considering tripping on 4-HO-MET fumarate via plugging after one light trip oral. (for nausea and faster onset but only a light dose) I'm still unsure about the dosage even after reading the last ten pages. (rectal and oral) I have no tolerance and it's the fumarate salt. What would you consider a safe dose for a light experience without much confusion, anxiety and body load for someone without tolerance? It's only my second real psychedelic after 2C-E.

I'm not sure if combining it with JWH-250 is a good idea. For 2C-E it certainly was. Made the trip euphoric, removed excessive body load, anxiety and nausea was gone. You know, the cold mindspace of 2C-E with less or no euphoria, sometimes dysphoric. I was laughing my ass off for a long time after smoking small amounts of the JWH.
 
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Well, I think I will give it a try. 20 mg seemed to be medium dose, and I plan to take 15-17 mg for the safety.

^ Comeup of oral 4-HO-MET is quite fast, no?

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Dosing for plugging is based from bioavailability of the drug orally, usually...If a drug has a 50% bioavailability orally and 99% will be absorbed rectally, then a dose of 50% should be used. For tryptamines and phenethylamines, the bioavailability tends to seem around 50% orally -- keep in mind though, oral bioavailability often varies between people, drugs and people, and every individual drug! Something that as twice as strong plugged in one person might be three times as strong in another... Start with small doses.
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So maybe start with a 1/2 of your estimated oral dose? if I were you, I would do so.

You know, the cold mindspace of 2C-E with less or no euphoria, sometimes dysphoric
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Uh, yes :) But anyway I like it, especially in higher doses(16-18 mg for me). 4-HO-MET seems to be friendlier and "warmer" for me.

I never smoked nor weed neither synthetic cannabinoids, but if it combines well with 2C-E, why it wouldn't with 4-HO-MET...
Not really sure, if my response brings you any helpful information.
 
Thanks for your reply! The onset orally is indeed quite fast. The info about 4-HO-MET being warmer and friendlier is good. On 2C-E 16-17 mg the neutral feeling and confusion can quickly move to anxiety and guilt. I'm still inexperiences though. One time I smoked fentanyl on a 12-14 mg trip and had a panic attack, thought I was going to asphyxiate because I had shortness of breath.. But I was so stimulated and very awake and hyperventilating. One user here reported the same IIRC. ;)
 
^ Glad to hear it was helpful! :)

On 2C-E 16-17 mg the neutral feeling and confusion can quickly move to anxiety and guilt. I'm still inexperiences though.
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Hm, if it is a problem for you, then maybe try taking anxylotic before trip? I don't experience anxiety often(and it is not "drug-related", i.e. it is about things I worry being sober), so I never tried this myself. But people report that phenibut works pretty good.
Also, if you decide to use any substance, make sure that it won't blunt your trip(like benzos, for example).

thought I was going to asphyxiate because I had shortness of breath
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I am wondering, if shallow breathing is a common side-effect of psychedelics. I often experience it on 2C-E. Sometimes I breathe so little air, so it's strange that I don't get anxious about it.
 
tried 4-ho-met again by itself, this is such a great chemical! i cant imagine anyone having a bad time on it. maybe its not deep if you are looking for more then just visuals, and i imagine thats when i will tire from it, but god damn the visuals on this are just the coolest shit ever.

I was watching tosh.0 and whenever i closed my eyes he would stay blazed into my closed eyes and then his figure would just go crazy and change and go all psychedelicy, literally every time i thought it couldnt get cooler it did. :D i cannot wait to try this in a higher range, probably around 22-25 next time.

seriously this is a great chem for a first time psych user, i have a feeling im finally going to get a bunch of friends into psychs.

it seemed like visuals were less influenced by mj then on phens. i think visuals did increase though.
 
smellytim said:
this is such a great chemical! i cant imagine anyone having a bad time on it.

seriously this is a great chem for a first time psych user, i have a feeling im finally going to get a bunch of friends into psychs.
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it is a great chemical and pretty forgiving, but people do lose their shit on it sometimes. don't get too complacent.
 
eatcod said:
it is a great chemical and pretty forgiving, but people do lose their shit on it sometimes. don't get too complacent.
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4-HO-MET is amazing stuff, and very positive, very visual, very comfortable. I think it's got less potential for bad trips than most psyches. However, do note that:

1) it has a longer tail imo than 4-AcO-DMT, psilocin, or most 2C's (though not as long as acid). Take this into account when planning; many will not be able to sleep for 8-9 hrs after dosing.

2) It's positive, and wonderful, but it's not magic. You _can_ manage to fuck it up, and have a bad trip. I've managed that (my first bad one in ages, actually, though i'm quite glad I took 4-HO-MET, not something else that night, because the events of that night would have made any trip go bad, probably worse than it did)
 
Dosage about the same as 4-aco-dmt? 50 mg of that in two doses spaced an hour or so apart, barely put me at an uncomfortable ++.
 
Thats a large dose of 4-AcO DMT....the spacing really makes the cumulative dose almost irrelevant, but still, you must be either quite resistant or your drugs are not of the greatest quality.

4-HO-MET is in my experience a bit more powerful (in terms of dose, not effects) than 4-AcO-DMT. But I wouldn't dive right based on your experience with the latter. You might respond quite differently.
 
TheAzo said:
4-HO-MET is amazing stuff, and very positive, very visual, very comfortable. I think it's got less potential for bad trips than most psyches. However, do note that:

1) it has a longer tail imo than 4-AcO-DMT, psilocin, or most 2C's (though not as long as acid). Take this into account when planning; many will not be able to sleep for 8-9 hrs after dosing.

2) It's positive, and wonderful, but it's not magic. You _can_ manage to fuck it up, and have a bad trip. I've managed that (my first bad one in ages, actually, though i'm quite glad I took 4-HO-MET, not something else that night, because the events of that night would have made any trip go bad, probably worse than it did)
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Indeed. There's far more to 4-HO-MET than just the visuals. It is certainly visually impressive at low doses (compared to similar doses of other 4-sub-trypts) but it is capable of whipping your ass at higher doses. I find the ass-whipping to be very useful and lucid however, rather than one that leaves you confused and lost when you come down. To me, it is very much like a cosmic mirror, a clear and impartial reflection of your self unto the external world. A trinity.
 
This is the best research chemicals so far ! Very safe trip (mentally speaking), nice visuals, very enjoyable :) My best dosage is between 8 and 16mg.

By the way do you know if they are some side effects on the body ? Like Heart Attack, stroke, seizures or something ? Thank you !
 
Plus, this chemicals is unscheduled in my country :D I fucking love this stuff ! Sweet trip, very funny, sometimes overwhelming over 15mg (for me). But god sake the visual are INSANE <3 <3 <3
 
Either I have predisposed tolerance to this chemical, or I have impure sample, but 15 mg is underwhelming, 22 mg is better but still lacks something and not overwhelming at all.
 
I tried this chemical twice and it was side-effects free in my experiences. No noticeable bodyload and nausea, and quite pleasant body-high after come-up.

Or do you mean long-term effects? I think it should be similar to other psychedelics in this sense.
 
allium said:
Either I have predisposed tolerance to this chemical, or I have impure sample, but 15 mg is underwhelming, 22 mg is better but still lacks something and not overwhelming at all.
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This sounds like my experience.
 
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