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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-HO-DiPT Thread

skatardude10, very interesting, I've had incredible results with chakra/kundalini on LSD using the meditative drumming of Layne Redmond...I have no comment on your star comments, but on friday-saturday, 12-13 September 2008, I consumed 30 mg of 4-Aco-DiPT, performed the Neophyte Meditation of the (0)=[0] grade of the G.'.D.'. and was floored, connected right up with 'the Cosmic AUM', to quote from my notes, "There was a lot of energy here, pulsating, faint, then vibrating my whole body - AUM."
 
To quote from B.O.T.A.'s Highlights of Tarot, under (Key) 19--The Sun, "....The human features indicate that the sun is no inanimate object, but a living, conscious Intelligence."
 
Took 20mg(4-aco-dipt) orally and my legs wouldn't stop shaking for the first 1.5 hours. It was so annoying that I couldn't enjoy the buzz at all during the come up. After the come up the trembling stopped for the most part. Not much visuals, body buzz felt like foxy. Music sounded "Chopped and Screwed", about an octave lower with an echo. Couldn't decide if I liked the music warp or if it was weird. Sex was great, like AMT but no erection problems or trouble with completion. Very powerful orgasms, girlfriend almost blacked out and twitched for about 2 minutes after her orgasm. The problem with this substance is getting the dose right. During the come up I feel like I should of took less, because it felt so dirty. After the peek I felt like I needed more because it wasn't powerful enough. Thinking was very analytical, and music was different, but mostly just a body high. Like it for sex, cant see taking it for anything else unless I find a better method of using it....
 
^^^ If I took Klonapin with it would it help with the negative side effects? Would this also augment the positive effects?
 
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Klonopin is clonazepam right? IMO it's a waste of drugs to take benzos when on a psychedelic. I dont think theres any point in doing that unless you're in some horrible place and want to get the hell out of there fast. All people react differently to different drugs. Maybe your body doesnt take kindly to this substance, and that is something you may have to accept. There quite a few similar drugs out there, so I suggest you try some of those instead of killing your trip with benzos :)
 
Ham-milton said:
I've had both substances and they're both extremely similar. 4-Acetoxy is much smoother and longer lasting.
can you expand on "smoother"?

i'm guessing you mean the onset is more gradual and easier to handle .... because there seem to be a lot of reports of uncomfortable body load with the ACO.
 
skatardude10 said:
I have only gotten uncomfortable bodyload once and it was mostly just slight overstimulation in a bad environment. It doesnt last long enough to be of any real worry and other than that one time for me. I have never had any even mild natured bodyload issues even on +25 mg doses other than once. Its never anything that a little centering, meditation, breathing excercises, cold weather, some physical activity or a combination of such couldnt easily take care of untill the initial intensity passes... Of course given the right mindset. I never tried the 4ho, but the 4-aco has always been extremely easy with me for the large part, compared to say 2ce and even 2ci. It's very gentle.

well that's good to hear. but i'm opposite in that my body is usually ok with phens - it's the tryptamines that cause unpredictable spazzing.

what you describe sounds like a pretty avg body load for most psychs, but there are people talking about the violent shakes and other sketchy side effects. and that's why i was curious re hammilton's use of the word "smooth". it seems to be at odds with popular opinion, so i was hoping for some clarification.
 
I haven't experienced any uncomfortable body-load either. I've done it in doses up to 40 mg., but I've never experienced any greater side effects. Compared to other psychedelics such as 2C-E and LSD, I think it's quite gentle (there seems to be another consensus about LSD, but we're all different I guess).
 
Just took my first foray into 4-AcO-DiPT today at 15mg of the HCl salt orally. Wow was it a lot stronger than I was expecting. I don't think I could have gotten up and walked around at the peak, which involved some ego splitting. For instance I had thoughts of telling myself things when I met me (thinking I was two different individuals completely). Took me off guard for sure, but I loved it.

Very shaky physically, yet I didn't feel very stimulated. Like my mind was unaware of my shaking body. It also made me cough quite a bit, like I was physically ill, which kind of scared me a bit. I think ~20mg would leave me unaware of reality completely. Next time I think I'll take 10mg and see if that lets me walk around and explore the world, as oppose to lying in bed.

If I had to compare it to any of the tryptamines I've tried I'd have to choose DMT, which is weird (I've tried Mushrooms, 5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-DPT, DiPT, AMT and DMT from the tryptamine world.) I think that was just because of the intensity though.

It's interesting how my sensitivity varies so much to different things.

Normal sensitivity:
LSD
5-MeO-XXX
DiPT
AMT
2C-I,C,21,2
DOM
DOC

Very sensitive:
4-AcO/HO-XXX
DMT
2C-E

Very random?

Oh yes, I also have 4-Pro-DiPT, so I'll be trying that at some point and directly comparing the two.
 
I have tried 4-Aco-DIPT twice, and I definately want to explore it again....but not just yet. The first time i did it was just 10 mgs, i got a +1, I remember there being some slight tension in the neck and shoulders, and i felt like I had a little extra jittery feeling in my legs when i walked around, but it was mostly unnoticeable). I noticed there was a significant social-enhancement at this dose. I was just chilling with my roomies and would get a little more into conversations than normal, and was really really interested in what everyone was trying to say, even though i couldn't really listen to everyone all at once, which was a little bit confusing. All in all, i noticed it in my body for about 3 hours. I was pretty excited to up the dose the next time once it was all over.

I can't remember my exact dose of the second experiemnt, but it was more than 25 and under 30 mgs. I started with 15 mgs, and then I i boosted with 12 or 13 mgs at the 1.5 hour point. The onset was quite quick, so was the comedown. All in all, i was under the infuence of 4-ACO-DIPT for a total of about 6 hours, longer than I expected it to last. This was quite a bit more intense than my 10 mg trial, and the effects seemed to have taken off in quite a different direction than I thought they would have. I noticed significant body tremor. There was a generalized shakiness of the body, and a racing heart. There were some minor visuals, mostly they were unimpressive though. I remeber being quite weired out my the body weirdness, and mentally i was in a very fragile and open state of mind. When i say fragile, i mean I was in a very "sensitive to what other people say" and my own thoughts seemed to carry more weight to them - it definitely had a theraputic/opening quality to it. It was a very honest state of mind, no confusion, didn't seem to affect ego too much. I remember thinking a lot of my usage of psychedelics, and why I use them as much as I do. This second experiment was about a week after my first 10 mg trial, and it really felt as though the 4-Aco-DIPT didn't really totally unfold for me at this dose (which I felt was too high for me).

Overall, my impressions of 4-aco-dipt are that, I feel like this is a drug I will need to have a "reason" to take when I have something I want to work through with the aid of psychedelics, as oppose to something to take when I get that general tripping urge, which I enjoy using mushrooms, LSD, and 2C-E for. t seemed as though it was a valuable headspace with a lot of potential for valuable insights, but absolutely zero recreational potential. The body weirdness was pretty intense. But mostly, the waters remain untested, and I will keep my research posted here.

Oh, and i guess i should add my 4-ACO-DIPT is pretty fluffy, yet clumpy white powder. Hasn't degraded at all in any way since I got it 3 months ago. And it is hands down the WORST chem i have ever had the chance to taste, terrible lingering bitterness that was impossible to wash away with fluids.
 
Can anyone comment on how 4HO/AcO-DiPT's effects on sound compare to those of DiPT? From descriptions of c. 20 mg doses of the former, it sounds to me like you get the low-dose/early effects of DiPT (like the first hour of coming-up auditory effects of a c 85 mg DiPT dose for me, or what I'd imagine - by extrapolation - the peak of a 30 mg DiPT dose might be like); i.e. low-pass filtering, so that voices and other sounds sound a lot deeper, some phase-shifting perhaps, but not vocoding of voices, or normally consonant music becoming dissonant, or nonlinearly stretched in the frequency spectrum... Is that right, or have I missed/misunderstood people's descriptions of these higher DiPT effects? If so, what dosages of 4-HO or 4-AcO-DiPT tend to produce which level of auditory effects?

Also, are closed-ear audials (perceived sounds in objective silence) noted in these substances, and - if so - at what doses?

I'm sorry if I've missed answers to these questions in earlier posts in the thread; feel free to urge me to use the fucking search engine, if you feel I should have. :)
 
I never had any effect on sound from 4-AcO-DiPT, even at higher doses.
 
i noticed no real auditory distortion but extreme enhancement ie the rain sounded normal but impossibly detailed and beautiful. i really dislike 4-aco-dipt except at lowish doses, its probs my least favorite tryptamine. it could have colored the experience somewhat but a friend described it as "depressing mushrooms" and when i got the chance to try it that was really the flavor. i call it the melancholy mushroom
 
I never had any effect on sound from 4-AcO-DiPT, even at higher doses.
i noticed no real auditory distortion but extreme enhancement ie the rain sounded normal but impossibly detailed and beautiful. i really dislike 4-aco-dipt except at lowish doses, its probs my least favorite tryptamine. it could have colored the experience somewhat but a friend described it as "depressing mushrooms" and when i got the chance to try it that was really the flavor. i call it the melancholy mushroom
Ah, interesting, thanks, both! I think I'd be tempted to risk melancholia to explore these rather unDiPTich auditory effects (if I get any - sounds like there's a fair amount of individual differences with this). I think it was in skatardude10's posts that I read of the low-pass bass-enhancing effects. Can you say whether the enhancement you experienced was noted more at low, middle or high pitches, or was it general, hamhurricane?
 
the enhancement was not localized in any one range of pitch, i think if your looking for interesting auditory effects your going to be pretty limited to DiPT, 5-MeO-DiPT, and maybe 2-Me-5-MeO-DiPT. believe me after trying DiPT i went on a similar journey to the one i think your going on, i developed a theory about infrasound and DiPT and went to great lengths to test it, for me it was like getting bitten by a bug i became obsessed (and still am my obsession is just on hold) you will find aspects of the DiPT experience in several other drugs but it would seem none come close to DiPT (that we know of yet!).

EDIT: although the effects dont appear until the chains are in that one position but few of the asymmetrical butylated trypatmines have been tested perhaps some would retain or enhance the auditory component something like IPIBT or IPSBT would probs show activity although the dose might be over 100mgs.
 
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When I took 20mg 4-aco-dipt I can say that music did sound "Chopped and Screwed", meaning everything sounded lower in pitch with a slight echo. I just didn't like the shaking in the legs that it caused during the first 1.5 hours.
 
When I took 20mg 4-aco-dipt I can say that music did sound "Chopped and Screwed", meaning everything sounded lower in pitch with a slight echo.
When you say 'lower', do you mean like it was in the wrong key, but still roughly the same pitch; or do you mean that it was still in the right key, but deeper-sounding? 'Cos, with low-dose DiPT, at any rate, I think these are two separate things: a relatively small (a matter of semitones) drop in frequency, and a low-pass filter that makes things sound much deeper without actually shifting their frequency spectrum as such. The echo sounds interesting; I don't think I've noted anything like that on DiPT. Sounds kind of like auditory tracers.

I just didn't like the shaking in the legs that it caused during the first 1.5 hours.
Ah. *shudders at the thought of it* I really didn't like that on 2C-C, which gave me big leg-shakes. Then again, DiPT has given me the shakes at 100 mg doses, and I've not minded so much (felt too pleasant in other ways, I guess), and 2C-B (at 26 mg) would have given me the shakes during the come-up, if I hadn't been too busy prancing around at great speed. If instead I'd been sitting down, I reckon I'd have been quite jittery (like parkinsonian jitters, I think I get these jitters worst when resting).


the enhancement was not localized in any one range of pitch, i think if your looking for interesting auditory effects your going to be pretty limited to DiPT, 5-MeO-DiPT, and maybe 2-Me-5-MeO-DiPT. believe me after trying DiPT i went on a similar journey to the one i think your going on, i developed a theory about infrasound and DiPT and went to great lengths to test it, for me it was like getting bitten by a bug i became obsessed (and still am my obsession is just on hold) you will find aspects of the DiPT experience in several other drugs but it would seem none come close to DiPT (that we know of yet!).
Heh, I am indeed quite obsessed with DiPT at the moment. It is a beautiful thing, and a thing of great academic interest. Infrasound? Do you mean, that DiPT stretches the frequency spectrum in such a way as to make sounds that are normally below the range of human hearing audible? That would be most interesting, if so... is this what you meant? What results did you get from your tests of it?

It's strange that so many of the known psychedelics have major distorting effects on vision, and so few have equivalently major distorting effects on audition. I'd love to know what it is about its structure that lets it into the auditory cortex (or wherever DiPT does its thing): perhaps chemically-unrelated compounds which shared the key features of DiPT's shape or charge or whatever could be developed? I suppose there are other auditory-distorters (2C-E doesn't leave auditory perception untouched), but not - if I'm not mistaken - in quite such a thorough way.

EDIT: although the effects dont appear until the chains are in that one position but few of the asymmetrical butylated trypatmines have been tested perhaps some would retain or enhance the auditory component something like IPIBT or IPSBT would probs show activity although the dose might be over 100mgs.

Interesting! I think I'll wait till I've explored DiPT more thoroughly, before I get some untested tryptamines synthesized, but it's tantalizing to consider the possibilities. It seems implausible to me that DiPT - as an auditory psychedelic - cannot be 'improved on', or at least expanded on and diversified from.
 
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^^^ Everything sounded deeper like it had been put through a synthesizer. Music still sounded good, just lower. Don't know alot about definitions of pitch vs frequency vs tone etc. Sorry, but hope this helps.
 
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