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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-MET Thread

I had the following in ascending preference: 4aco-mipt < 4aco-met < 4aco-det < 4aco-dipt.
4aco-Met gave me a solid and fun trip, not too deep but I can live with that. 4aco-det which is my go to 4-substituted tryptamine these days is more balanced for example and I can get more out of the headspace produced. It seems for me that at least with the 4-substituted tryptamines symmetrical substitution on the nitrogen is more rewarding for me. This is not the case with the 5meo tryptamines I had, rather the opposite.
 
Anybody find 4-aco-met to give them a hot face, body, facial flushing, blushing, redness, and side effects? It feels like it's hard to metabolize, but then it's not so bad, though I stay hot. I stay hot enough that I sweat with and without the AC on!
Anybody else know what I'm referring to? Well get this, I tried some maca and cordyceps from a kratom shop(a high quality apothecary) and it potentiated the side effects and duration of the peak by about 3x. I'm talking hours longer and only a very small dose of 5mg IM.
I have tried IV(and failed, too caustic) and IM + oral. No nasal or 4-me-boofing. I found the side effects from IM to last shorter, though much stronger. I'll bet 5mg IM with no tolerance feels like 15mg oral no tolerance, but I have only tried up to 20mg with some tolerance and it wasn't as strong as the 5mg IM no tolerance.
I wish I could take this, but I'm going to take it very easy on this.
Is there any way to convert it into 4-ho-met?
Is there a supposed mechanism for the side effects? Perhaps a receptor, enzyme, or phenomena that makes explains this side effects being so strong for me via any ROA?
Is it worth it to freebase the fumurate salt for smoking?
What do you think about IM tryptamines? I'd IM 1cp-lsd if I knew it would shorten the duration, that'd be freaking awesome! Nothing quite like the shorter duration of tryptamines lol.
 
I've personally never experienced this side effect. I've read several reports of people freebasing 4-xxx-MET, but I doubt vaping it is something most would do more than a few times as a novelty. It definitely shortens the duration. You can IM it, as well, but personally I get to where I want to with oral dosing with this material.
 
I seem to have quite a bit of side effects from this substance. Today I had a microdose of 2.5mg, sublingual held for minutes @50mg/ml, so potent. I only had a few drops really. It was much stronger than it would have been oral. Anyways I found myself paranoid! I've noticed this a few times, I have no idea if mushrooms and lsd would treat me this way, it's been awhile since I've tripped on either, though I'm hoping it's the strong D2 receptor binding affinity of 4-aco-met that is causing this as opposed to psychedelics in general. Perhaps I can use LSD to reverse this with some neurolinguistic programming lol
 
I had a nice trip on 28mg 4-AcO-MET fumarate (oral in gel cap) the other evening.

I was shocked at how quickly it came on. I swallowed the pill on a slightly hungry belly, and then followed it with a bowl of rice and some dal and veg, and I think it was hitting me within 10mins already. Another 10-20mins and I was getting pretty unable to operate my computer, managed to queue up a new album I've been very interested, and spent the next hour tripping out during the peak to - wonderful album for the substance! Probably another 30-60mins roughly at the peak after that and then a gradual taper, was sleeping probably 6 hours after ingestion.

I think this was my largest dose of the substance [edit: after looking at my notes, it was not, have taken 35mg before, and that was pretty similar in potency to this trip], nothing too much to handle and could probably bump up the dose still, but also not sure it would be necessary either. It's really peaky in terms of the envelope of it's effects, very quickly absorbed, and with a long tail of being quite alert. Very pleasant and aesthetically stimulating - the music was very much enhanced and coupled with incredible geometric fractal visions inside my mind. Probably less deep and soul searching than some other materials (e.g. 4-AcO-DMT, mushrooms, DPT, and definitely less so than 5-MeO-DMT) and that's just great, sometimes it's lovely to take a walk in a beautiful garden and not need to go to the basement library. It's occurred to me before, and this trip reinforced the idea that maybe 4-AcO-MET is to mushrooms/4-AcO-DMT as AL-LAD is to LSD - although AL-LAD does have a bit more humour to it, which I don't think 4-AcO-MET has particularly. It's like a beautiful delicate and intricate flower. So much sparkle and colour.

Getting to the end of my supply for this one, I wonder if it's worth stocking up for the long haul or use it as an excuse to explore other molecules.
 
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perpetualdawn said:
maybe 4-AcO-MET is to mushrooms/4-AcO-DMT as AL-LAD is to LSD - although AL-LAD does have a bit more humour to it, which I don't think 4-AcO-MET has particularly. It's like a beautiful delicate and intricate flower. So much sparkle and colour.
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I like this analogy. I do love 4-AcO-MET...but not enough to actually ever take it. It's lovely stuff to be sure, but it's never at the top of my list of things to take. I think it's been four years since I last took it with another four year gap before that. If I want to be awestruck with the beauty of nature, it's just wonderful. The visual element is truly remarkable. But recapturing childlike innocence and delight isn't something that I find myself trying to do a lot of. I think ~30mg is my functional maximum. 40mg did not improve things for me.
 
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Out of curiosity @Pfafffed what substances do you put at the top of your list of things to take?
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That's a lot like asking what my favorite tool in the toolbox is. It all comes down to the job.

I take 5-MeO-MiPT more often than any other psychedelic, but it's not a very psychedelic psychedelic. It's more of a way to step back and slow down from the distractions of daily life, and focus instead on reconnecting with those I care about.

Mescaline is one of my favorite psychedelics for emotional opening and recalibration. It's just too long for me to take frequently. 2C-T-2 does a decent impersonation at a shorter duration, but it's as rare as hen's teeth.

N,N-EPT is one of the only psychedelics that I have few reservations about sharing with anyone, but that's because it's just so damn gentle.

When I actually want a tryptamine trip, I usually gravitate towards 4-xxx-MPT or 4-xxx-DET these days, just because I've found them to be valuable and interesting, and I haven't spent enough time with them yet. More often, though, I find that I go for a
short acting phenethylamine instead, usually a halogenated 2C-x.
 
@Pfafffed it's really interesting to read that. Yes I agree about the tools analogy.

I think I've only taken 5-MeO-MiPT a couple of times, and at pretty low doses, 3mg and then I think it was 5-6mg. My notes say exactly what you said - not a very psychedelic psychedelic, and very social. Pretty interesting. You remind me to revisit it. I remember a period when it was available for ridiculously low prices at very high purity. Ah the good ol days.

I'm a big fan of mescaline too although I've actually only had it a handful of times. I regret not stocking up more on 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 when I had the chance.

EPT hasn't been on my radar at all, interesting that you mention it. Is it orally active, or is it like the other base tryptamines where you have to bypass the gut?

Also interesting that you mention 4-xxx-MPT and 4-xxx-DET, these haven't been on my radar much.
 
perpetualdawn said:
EPT hasn't been on my radar at all, interesting that you mention it. Is it orally active, or is it like the other base tryptamines where you have to bypass the gut?
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It's orally active, but not potent. I've taken it orally and rectally, but more often than not I vape it.
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Also interesting that you mention 4-xxx-MPT and 4-xxx-DET, these haven't been on my radar much.
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The former is like psilocin's glamorous sibling - it's warm, baroque, splendid. Unless it's a complete dud, which it sometimes is. The latter is polarizing in the way of DPT and 5-MeO-DMT. I just happen to get on well with it. It's a unique and tasty take on the 4-sub tryptamine experience.
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I regret not stocking up more on 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 when I had the chance.
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Big same.

How about you?
 
Pfafffed said:
The latter is polarizing in the way of DPT and 5-MeO-DMT.
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I'm big into 5-MeO-DMT and DPT, so I might need to give 4-xxx-DET a chance. Way back when I was reading every trip report on all the tryptamines I remember deciding that 4-xxx-DET reports made it sound less compelling - but like you said, you could easily be given the same impression about DPT and 5-MeO-DMT just going on the trip reports out there.

How about you?
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Yeah it's hard to answer, different tools for the job. I have a problem where when I take any psychedelic I usually think "wow that one is really good, really special, top tier". So I think I just like psychedelics in general.

But 5-MeO-DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, 2C-D, 2C-E, AL-LAD, ETH-LAD all rank highly for me
Honourable mention to DPT, 4-AcO-MET and of course the established classics like mushrooms, LSD and mescaline

If I had to take one to the desert island for the rest of my life it would probably be LSD, but if I could have a 2nd it might be 2C-E or 5-MeO-DMT

you have me intrigued about 4-xxx-MPT and 4-xxx-DET, and I'm also very curious about 5-MeO-MALT and 5-MeO-MET
 
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That's so interesting to hear you say that! The prevailing consensus seems to be that 4-AcO-MET and 4-HO-MET are interchangeable, but that does not reflect my experience. I enjoy them both, but as you said, for me 4-HO-MET is deep, emotional, and rich like psilocybin, while 4-AcO-MET is cold, crystalline, and exquisitely beautiful while being pretty clear-headed.

perpetualdawn said:
But 5-MeO-DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, 2C-D, 2C-E, AL-LAD, ETH-LAD all rank highly for me
Honourable mention to DPT, 4-AcO-MET and of course the established classics like mushrooms, LSD and mescaline

If I had to take one to the desert island for the rest of my life it would probably be LSD, but if I could have a 2nd it might be 2C-E or 5-MeO-DMT

you have me intrigued about 4-xxx-MPT and 4-xxx-DET, and I'm also very curious about 5-MeO-MALT and 5-MeO-MET
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It doesn't sound like we can generalize much from each other. The materials you mention are all over the scatter chart for me, from exquisite to forgettable to highly dysphoric. There's no telling how you'll like 4-xxx-MPT/DET, but they're worth a shot (two shots with ...MPT just in case it's a dud.) My one experience with 5-MeO-MALT was an "allergy dose," and it made me feel tense and awful, like it was just straight up poisonous to me (and for reference, I get no side effects from bufotenin!) I've never touched it again, but most people talk about it like it's baby 5-MeO-DMT. 5-MeO-MET is fairly lovely. I like it quite a bit, but it does suffer from being not very psychedelic and kind of stimulating in a mildly anxiogenic way. I still appreciate it quite a bit. It has that cool clarity and emotional vibrance of 4-AcO-MET.
 
perpetualdawn said:
I'm big into 5-MeO-DMT and DPT, so I might need to give 4-xxx-DET a chance. Way back when I was reading every trip report on all the tryptamines I remember deciding that 4-xxx-DET reports made it sound less compelling - but like you said, you could easily be given the same impression about DPT and 5-MeO-DMT just going on the trip reports out there.


Yeah it's hard to answer, different tools for the job. I have a problem where when I take any psychedelic I usually think "wow that one is really good, really special, top tier". So I think I just like psychedelics in general.

But 5-MeO-DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, 2C-D, 2C-E, AL-LAD, ETH-LAD all rank highly for me
Honourable mention to DPT, 4-AcO-MET and of course the established classics like mushrooms, LSD and mescaline

If I had to take one to the desert island for the rest of my life it would probably be LSD, but if I could have a 2nd it might be 2C-E or 5-MeO-DMT

you have me intrigued about 4-xxx-MPT and 4-xxx-DET, and I'm also very curious about 5-MeO-MALT and 5-MeO-MET
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What do you like about DPT?
 
jveiojajoivioedsac said:
What do you like about DPT?
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It's a trip! It's hard to explain but it's really heavy duty and deep, good for deep trips, the kind where you're lying on the ground voyaging inward. After the peak it's very sparkly and really stimulates all kinds of interesting and creative ideas. It has a spooky feel to it, I've said it before in this forum that it's a bit hard to explain that because I don't find that it's scary at all, it's more like it feels you are part of the spookiness, a little bit into the spirit world or something, in a tantalizing way. After the trip tapers off, it's very refreshing, it's a good psychedelic reset, and lots of afterglow in the following days.
 
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