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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Four

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Hey guys,

I received some 4-ACO-DMT fumarate today from a reliable source, however the powder is litterally brown. Should I be cautious with this one? Will I get sick eating brown stuff?
 
Oh ROXIanne! said:
I wouldn't say eitz renders it useless. It took about 20 experiences before I found out that the anxiety vanishes after the come up and quit taking etiz before any trip. IME it is very hit or miss, I've taken 20mg with 2mgs producing a wonderful experience and Ive also taken 40mgs with 1mg resulting in a lack luster trip. 60mgs+mgs I trip hard despite how much etizolam I take.
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Thanks for the information, good to know.
 
HofmannBlotter said:
Hey guys,

I received some 4-ACO-DMT fumarate today from a reliable source, however the powder is litterally brown. Should I be cautious with this one? Will I get sick eating brown stuff?
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Well start low just in case but it's not unusual for it to be different colors, it's probably a bit old but should still work about as well I think. But like I said, start quite low, make sure it isn't something else by accident and that it doesn't feel sketchy. Do you have any testing reagents? You could test it and compare the color, I think at the beginning of this thread there might be a picture of the correct color? Either that or someone will know what the color should be. If it's a different color then it's something else.
 
Xorkoth said:
Well start low just in case but it's not unusual for it to be different colors, it's probably a bit old but should still work about as well I think. But like I said, start quite low, make sure it isn't something else by accident and that it doesn't feel sketchy. Do you have any testing reagents? You could test it and compare the color, I think at the beginning of this thread there might be a picture of the correct color? Either that or someone will know what the color should be. If it's a different color then it's something else.
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I've talk with the vendor about it, this is what he said :

4-Aco-DMT is very sensitive to heat and now during the summer month, when the letter get's too hot during the transport this can result in the product turning darker and getting some sticky spots.

The current batch we have seems to be stronger affected than previous ones as we only had 2 such issues during last summer.

Our chemist will try to recrystalize the current batch and we can then resend you the 4-Aco-DMT.
The current product should still be usable, but with a lower potency. It should not be dangerous, but it could be possible that some parts fo the 4-Aco-DMT have degraded to 4-Ho-DMT (and this product is controlled in most countries). In your case, this would only be a small amount, but still I want to mention this.

I can not say for sure how long it will take our chemist to work on the current batch and I should get detailed information in the next days.
Please contact me again at the end of the week. Then I can give you detailed information.



So it's all good :P
 
^Did you order the HCl or fumarate version?

The one time I had a batch of 4-AcO HCl I accidentally let it degrade into brown goop. It still worked, but the trip seemed different.
 
I've had a dark tan/brown 4-aco-dmt batch from a popular vender before, I actually felt it was slightly more potent then previous lighter colored batches but it deff felt like 4-aco-DMT
 
Thanks for all the info guys. Shrooms are pretty tame for me even at doses up to 5g so i think ill be fine. %)
 
the 4aco-dmt iv had has degreaded to a black tar like substance which was still most defiately active so in my opinion there should be nothing to worry about.
 
All right, this is the answer from my supplier, maybe it can helps:

Hi!

I just did get an update from the chemist.
They analyzed a product that was returned to us and they think that this batch might be more sensitive to degrading as during the production the lab might have used a too low amount of fumaric acid used for salt formation resulting in the product being less stable.
Also there was an acetate peak in the sample, indicating possible hydrolysis to psilocin.

So all in all, the product should still be okay to use, but just with a little lower potency. Based on the NMR, our chemist think's around 20%

The current batch we have here in Spain did not show signs of being degraded yet as it was not exposed to any heat and stored in relatively good condition.
However we have stopped the sale now and we will send it to our chemist who will purify it again and then will try to do a recrystalization and if that's not possible he will make the freebase out of the salt and precipitate the fumarate again.

The hope to get the process done within 2 weeks, but first they have to order some chemicals (e.g. fumaric acid) and wait for their arrival. So I think it will all be finished in 3 weeks and then we will be happy to send you a replacement for free.
Please be so kind to contact again in around 3 weeks from now and sorry for this issue!

Kind regards,
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Damn I really wanna try 4ho's..I did like 4aco a lot though. And that vendor does sound amazing.. lost my good one :(
 
I recommend this beautiful material to everyone. Even at 47 mg I had zero mindfuck, zero panic. Bad thinking is impossible for me on this substance. I eat it like mdma, popping 15 mg every 1 hour or so. Very pleasurable come-up with intense mdma like body orgasms mixed with opiate and strong hash body high. I would say it is better than mdma. It is the best drug mentally and physically. I feel very content and clearheaded on it. Overall feeling is like having heavy orgasms in church of God. Very spiritual and philosophic, deep conversations, kindness, veryyy pleasant. Visuals are intriguing, but i love super HD colourful visuals, closed eyes movies and music appreciation of AL-LAD more. So, im thinking of mixing these two awesome chemicals to achieve a full spectrum of visuals and psychedelia with brilliant body high. I'll try 150 mcg AL + 30 mg 4-AD.
 
^ keep in mind that clearheadedness and such are rather unusual for high doses of tryptamine psychedelics, before you recommend it to anybody...
 
I used google to find this thread, first page of the first big and dandy # one happened in 06, I probably had no clue what an RC was. Who remembers :)

Anyway I bought this specifically listed as "4-aco-dmt (freebase)." Is the freebase really unstable and iffy? Does it need to be frozen and in an amber jar constantly? Do I need to pressurize the jar with a noble gas? lol

I've just read about other tryptamine freebases where people discussed their fragility, and qualitative differences of the trip as they waited, over time between trips, and it seemed to change physically (color/smell etc.). Does this apply?
 
freebase is less stable than the salts. If kept in a dark cool place, with minimal temperature changes I don't think it's an issue at all, especially if you're going to be using it relatively soon. Turning it into a salt is very easy but I believe there are difficulties with actually retrieving certain salts with tryptamines, which is why the fumarate is most common and so it's probably not actually worth your time.

This will turn darker and gooey-er over time (looong) and it's been noted that the feel of the trip differs as well as the potency. what you read probably does apply.
 
MrPorter said:
freebase is less stable than the salts. If kept in a dark cool place, with minimal temperature changes I don't think it's an issue at all, especially if you're going to be using it relatively soon. Turning it into a salt is very easy but I believe there are difficulties with actually retrieving certain salts with tryptamines, which is why the fumarate is most common and so it's probably not actually worth your time.

This will turn darker and gooey-er over time (looong) and it's been noted that the feel of the trip differs as well as the potency. what you read probably does apply.
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I dunno, if the salt is more stable I might want to. I bought 500 mg, seems like a fair bit for the dosages I've read. . Don't I just need a decently strong acid acid that is pure? Fumaric acid for fumarate?.... Nevermind the lowest quantity I can buy of that is a 1/3 the cost of 500 mg.

Guess I'll just take care of it, buy a 4$ amber bottle and freeze it. I thought most of the tryptamines were sold as HCl salts? Cause that's 7 bucks.

I wonder how long until it begins to change in a glass bottle in a freezer with a oxygen absorber in the jar?
 
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