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The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread - Mad Manic Meo 3nity

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4-10 mg was strong to for first few trials with breaks -
after a day of tolerance 20 mg 3 x a day is easily done -

definitely not great for the body or mind -
metabolites and i assume a lengthy spike of 'pcp' in urine


can some daily users chime

great pain nuking, especially for neurological based sensations in my situation
do not see it as 'recreational' recreational considering the potency and length
well for programming and as a great foundation for poly use.. downers required

alcohols benzos etc will create brief and random blackouts and behavior
 
Xorkoth said:
We've cleaned out both threads multiple times. Unfortunately the heavily trafficked dissociative threads tend to acquire a lot of posts that aren't very informative in nature. We'll clean them again soon.
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Something strange about them dissos though eh? They certainly set themselves apart from all other drug classes.
 
Okay, I decided to reduce my dose a hair, I will start with 15mg. How much can I expect the effects to mimic 4-meo-pcp? I've pretty much written off this substance as a replacement for MXE, but I found the effects of 4-meo-pcp to be pleasant in their own way. I felt pretty comfortable with the idea of maybe having a slightly rough experience my first time, and I often find that the negative effects are more pronounced when I don't take enough of something, but this seems to be a pretty unique beast so I will heed the warnings.

Thanks for the concern and advice everyone, much appreciated.
 
StickyChron said:
Okay, I decided to reduce my dose a hair, I will start with 15mg. How much can I expect the effects to mimic 4-meo-pcp? I've pretty much written off this substance as a replacement for MXE, but I found the effects of 4-meo-pcp to be pleasant in their own way. I felt pretty comfortable with the idea of maybe having a slightly rough experience my first time, and I often find that the negative effects are more pronounced when I don't take enough of something, but this seems to be a pretty unique beast so I will heed the warnings.

Thanks for the concern and advice everyone, much appreciated.
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its actually extremely different than 4-MeO-PCP. 3-MeO-PCP doesn't disconnect you from physical sensation as much as 4-MeO-PCP does. 4-MeO-PCP always gave me a strange sort of nausea, the sort of nausea that i've learned is a sign of pleasure to come, but nausea nonetheless. 3-MeO-PCP doesn't do that to me at all. in my experience at least, 3-MeO-PCP is pretty physically transparent. there isn't much of a body effect at all -- its almost all mental. and if you're not in tune with your mind, it can be hard to tell how the stuff is affecting you, so you might end up redosing even though you're teetering on the edge of logic......

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honestly (and this goes for everyone), i used to be the type that wouldn't pay due mind to warnings. for years and years i've taken heroic doses of a lot of substances and been mostly okay. this is the first drug that made me lose my mind to the point where i was in physical danger. it even made Fast&Bulbous lose his shit (y'know, the guy who invented MXE).

not that i think its a bad drug. the substance is amazing. just please please please proceed with caution.
 
pharmakos said:
its actually extremely different than 4-MeO-PCP. 3-MeO-PCP doesn't disconnect you from physical sensation as much as 4-MeO-PCP does. 4-MeO-PCP always gave me a strange sort of nausea, the sort of nausea that i've learned is a sign of pleasure to come, but nausea nonetheless. 3-MeO-PCP doesn't do that to me at all. in my experience at least, 3-MeO-PCP is pretty physically transparent. there isn't much of a body effect at all -- its almost all mental. and if you're not in tune with your mind, it can be hard to tell how the stuff is affecting you, so you might end up redosing even though you're teetering on the edge of logic......

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honestly (and this goes for everyone), i used to be the type that wouldn't pay due mind to warnings. for years and years i've taken heroic doses of a lot of substances and been mostly okay. this is the first drug that made me lose my mind to the point where i was in physical danger. it even made Fast&Bulbous lose his shit (y'know, the guy who invented MXE).

not that i think its a bad drug. the substance is amazing. just please please please proceed with caution.
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I know right? Over the years I've found there's a large gap between being a cavalier, and a stubborn fool. That gap is a hard one to cross, and has caused me much misfortune that I'd avoided had I simply listened...
 
Seems that every time I dose 3meo before my regularly scheduled bedtime I end up having...basically incredible visions that have a different quality than normal dreams, like I am recieving them from another source. And the subject matter, man, its not something I would think to dream up. A word came to me as I awoke. Apoctelevisions.
 
Emphasis on what syllable? :)

Tried stopping my supplemented 3-MeO selfmedication... Leaving more and more days in between my lower and lower use.
I have since returned to my previous regimen of low dosing 3-MeO, struggling with stuff in general and it helps me to get through things right now / I couldn't afford to stop using it before. Fortunately I am in a better position to stop now.

What I notice is that I am getting the - for me - more typical 3-MeO-PCP comedown symptoms around bedtime that I wasn't getting before (initially it was just mostly mild insomnia).. Mental content that was suspended comes back as inner monologue and pretty panicked gloomy thoughts. May be a result of my habit becoming slightly more chronic now or it is pretty much the worries that I get from the problems I am having that were just postponed rather than depressed as they are with say benzos.

I can quell the panic reaction with a benzo at nighttime, tho obviously I would really hate for that to become an accompanying habit.

Fortunately my fear of bioaccumulation issues have not lead to problems thus far.
I do drink alcohol regularly and last week I had one day of heavy drinking due to something that happened. Did not even stop to think about the consequences. When the hangover started to hit I really panicked and feared that it would lead to some form of the DT's, promoted by the lowdosing of 3-MeO. Fortunately I managed relatively well.

I feel that I have avoided disaster and for now everything is in check because I keep my doses reasonable and definitely don't dose every day for weeks, but the confusion and panic when the 3-MeO wears off are a clear sign that it is quite enough. I do plan to use some benzo's for the worst of anything that is to come but of course I cannot keep trading one habit for another.
 
Yeah and a benzo habit will cause far more chaos in your life than anything else. Good luck man, if you need to talk you know where to find me. <3
 
Thanks man <3

I know all about benzo habits as you probably remember... Fortunately I can manage only taking it on off days without thinking about it too much and I take low doses of benzos but I am very much at risk here.. warning signs.. >> Exit while you can

I'd just rather use benzos for a few days than really flip out, then when quitting the benzos subsequently very soon after I will still have to face the music but not as acutely. A way to wing it I guess, worked when I got off opium.
 
Just happened yesterday to go a bit higher with 3-MeO-PCP, might have been 5-7.5mg in the end consumed over a few hours. Absolutely wonderful! I'm in love with this molecule now <3 it's like MXE, just miles better ... and it needs very, very careful dosing. But then it's pure dissociative - opioid bliss (why aren't pure opioids like that!? Okay, I should be lucky that they aren't..) with next to no downsides, no anxiety, no weirdness, wow! But it causes insomnia, yes, very lazy calm relaxed, not thinking anything and listening to music is wonderful, but unable to sleep.. doesn't matter in this state of mind, but it's true.

Why are these derivates so hard to synthesize? So curious about 3-MeO-PCE, PCPy, PCPr etc. now ... ;) also need to get a sample of this 2'-OxO-PCE.

The diarylathylamines (ephenidine, diphenidine etc) are shit. They are strongly dysphoric for me, don't know if it's due to polymorphism or whatever, the molecule of ephenidine is quite near to dextrorphan so it should be better, and l-ephenidine could likely have opioid activity too, but then again DXM has some nasty toxic dysphoric sides to it too in the higher dosages that the arylcyclohexylamines don't share.

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Solipsis, if it's available in your country, you might consider to try tiagabine out. I'm not convinced yet about that, but as it's a GAT inhibitor like deramciclane and these are said to be non-addictive, and it works as an anxiolytic at least for me, so might be something worth to try.
 
Yeah the bandwagaon is growing, especially since there is some very high quality material going around at excellent prices. Previous batches, wherever they came from, were qualitiatively quite different from this, so no doubt synthesis techniques are being refined, however that process and product is different than before.
IME it bests MXE in terms of applicability and ease of balancing use. It won't hole like MXE, but that's not what it is meant for. As a member of the arylcyclohexylamine royal family it is a Big Daddy. I feel like it is a 3rd generation evolution of sorts, being ~3-5x stronger potency, and longer duraction than MXE, and MXE can be considered to be a 2nd generation, 3-5x stronger potency and longer duration than ketamine.
 
Oh and Solipsus, as for the pronunciation of Apoctelevision, either a single stress on the 'VIS' or a dual stress on the 'POC' and 'VIS'.
I wish I could share some of the details of the visions, but it feels sensitive. One level was reminiscent of a DMT experience 'download' of ancient text/symbols I have recieved in the past. Another part is too much to say here, but if you are into some heady biblical vividry send me a PM.
 
Oh and one more thought. The night of the visions I was staring at the bloated Moon, and I felt my electrical field was so strong it was producing audible sounds, I don't think it was hallucination, as I actually felt the electricity flowing in concordance. Anyone else experience this electrical phenomenon? I felt the moon light tuning me in some way.

I took a day break, but today, on this full moon apex I will be finally dosing my last DPT dose with last 3meo dose and performing a sacred prayer ritual to the higher powers.
Crazy sure is fun.
 
Regarding batch variation: I don't doubt your vast experience vortech, but as we know these things can be influenced by so many external factors. All that said, anyone else notice difference in effects between batches?
 
I'd say 3-MeO-PCP has almost, key word almost, as much batch variation as MXE. My first two batches offered some great experiences but a lot of mundane dissociation as well. My current batch packs much more pop than the previous two and consistently brings the magic that I had previously struggled to find with 3-MeO. I still would eat 20mg without blinking though. Don't do as I say kids. ;)
 
Yeah, I've been unsure about the batch variation thing because well.. a molecule is just a molecule, but there were definite differences between MXE batches, I'd love to know if it was about isomers or other synth impurities, but in comparison to the stimulants for example, with these lovely arylcyclohexylamines every single modification leads to a distinct bunch of effects.

Too sad that the MXE era is over and done :( we need more arylcyclohexylamines ... RC vendors, look for a better country than the UK and sell these 3-MeO-PCXx derivates again, please! ;) And really, when done responsibly, the dissociatives are among the safest drugs (physically) we have ... nobody will die because of accidental re-dosing or whatever, and they aren't that addictive either.
 
IMHO there has been not very much batch variation to speak of with 3-MeO-PCP, at least compared to MXE variation which is ridiculous and alarming but haven't touched MXE in a year now myself. The appearance of 3-MeO-PCP HCl powder is now different from 2011-2012 but dose-response curve and range of effects is the same. Good stuff, high quality madness, apparently very pure. Taking a break now. This chemical will melt your brain in extreme ways with daily use, trust me, I speak from experience.
 
Dosed 3meo yesterday afternoon, just before noon. Microdosed 10mg DPT insufflated at 5:15. It hit my seed at the apex of the full moon 5:44pm, as we performed a prayer ritual (that's a long story, but know the signs are good). The rest of the night was pure magic. At 8 or 9 we went to a friendsgiving party and imbibed on the jello shots adequately to tune down the energy towards center. I sang with everything and enjoyed the listening of heart-souled folk music around the fire. It was cold, but I effectively received the energy of fire, cultivating the Inner Fire. Magic was plentiful, but humility was kept.
 
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