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The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread - Mad Manic Meo 3nity

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Well no, of course I'm not glad about that, why would I be? But what do you expect me (or anyone) to do? Go live in a national forest somewhere and hunt and gather? I just try to live the best life I can under the circumstances and I think that's what everyone should do.

Also, it's easy to get bogged down with the crazy negative shit that's going on in the world, for most of my twenties I increasingly went into a negative spiral about it, and eventually most of what I perceived in my daily life was bad. I think it's important to be aware, but focusing on it too much doesn't do you any good. Thinking about it doesn't make the problems better. In my opinion you should just do what you can do to help improve it, and try to make your own life as positive as possible so you can help improve the lives of the people around you.
 
I lived the loco life once, having the freedom to do whatever I want, having nearly unlimited money from drug dealing. 3 years after I needed to do a life changing move, as I was going nowhere, and started studying, and then, getting a job I love so much, and boosts my moral and confidence to the top. I've never been so happy in my life... Having a job is not like "beeing one of the bad guys", drop out that hardcore anti system vibes...

BTW I was dosing this lately at 10mg (what would be a microdose for me) and I'm enjoying the boost of dopamine and opening of mind soooo much. I love this substance, whatever the ROA and dose I take. I still prefer a 25mg oral dose with medium tolerance though, in order to make the magic come back :)
 
@ Xorkoth

What we/you could do is doing more charity work in your own country, if leaving the location is a no-go for personal reasons. I know for myself, that I will not fuel the machinery any further soon and stop being around superficial western people, that only live for personal gain. Even if they are friendly.

@MSK

Harcode anti system vibes.. =D It's not the egocentric approach towards life that makes me sick, it is that in combination with the delusion, that you take drugs because of the revealations and realizations you get instead of just admiting it is out of hedonism. But since I don't live in your shoes, I cannot estimate how hard it is to get a degree and a decent job in Spain, since the crisis hit you harder than central/northern European countries. So perhaps that is a respectable accomplishement on its own, I cannot judge.
 
Tree mejoe has no effect on dopamine.

I feel it too Veidog! This thread has been exploding with excellent discussion as of this week! Shoot me PM when you get a chance man! We chat all about philosophical nuisance! Thank you man! That's why I love this board. You can come here and find like minded folks that share your ideals!

Xor, that's why it's so important to learn how to properly integrate these experiences! That's how why extended daily use at, especially at high daily dosing can turn so wickedly delusional. You don't have time to integrate these experiences and without that you begin to believe some wacky shit... That's why I believe it's best to be a skeptic! You need to have time to "remotely" view these things. Take a step back and analyze them before deciding to simply randomly throw all your faith into something. I respect people with "faith", I truly do, but my life experience has taught me it's better to take a step back, throughly analyze situations, and then decide how to approach it... I've also had similar problems. I believe truthfully that the world is honestly a pretty negative place and that there are many people more interested in furthering themselves by stepping over others rather than being worried about making postive impacts and helping those that they have the ability too. Life is pain, suffering, and that transcending into death is that breaking of that binding chains from that. Life is speckled with beauty though and it's your job to make it filled with as much as you can for yourself and others!

Ziirp, that's fucked up! If your such a grand person, what are you doing to "be the change"? It's hard for a single person to change the world. Sometimes as long as you have the right point of view and do what you can(trying to make all the people you can to the best of your ability for example!), that's more important to be manical, and failing to change to do anything because of disillusionment! Also everyone takes any drugs for hedonistic reasons, it's just the fact that if pursued that psychedelics can also go much further than that. Psychedelics/dissociatives are the euphoric chemicals I've ever used and I've done a lot of chemicals!
 
Ziirp, I feel like you're being a little judgmental, maybe of me, or just of people in general. How do you know I don't do charity work or otherwise donate my time and energy towards helping others? In fact I specifically believe one should dedicate time and energy to helping others, and I do that. I could do more, of course, but where's the line? I still need to support myself, as do you, and everyone else, and I need to enjoy my life as well since I have an opportunity to do that, which I am thankful for. How do you go from me saying I have a good job that lets me enjoy my life optimally to me not doing enough for other people? You're making some serious assumptions here. As far as taking psychedelics for particular reasons, the first time I took them, it was to see what would happen, and it unexpectedly changed my life because of the radical perspective shift, it led to me changing tracks rather completely. After that I took them specifically for spiritual purposes, believing every experience was revealing more and more to me... this period was fun but largely delusional. In some cases I actually got something useful from them, but most of the time I was just having tripping thoughts. Over time, I adjusted to where I am now. I use them for recreation, and as an aid to going to see music or playing music, they make it easier to get into listening and dancing and they enhance my creativity and help me discover new things in playing. In general, psychedelics have helped to shape my life a lot over the years, for a variety of reasons large and small, but I'm not going around proclaiming they're sacred or that I'm not often using them out of hedonism. Which by the way there's nothing wrong with.

I agree that many western people are superficial and live only for themselves, but not everyone is like that, here or anywhere in the world. Making a generalization like that is a perfect example of one of the big problems in the world, one of the big problems that always faces the world... it separates people into groups and causes people to stop regarding individuals in a group as individuals, and pre-assigns them characteristics without any attempt to see the individual as separate from others in the group. The end result is us vs them mentality, ethnic hatreds, bigotry, classism, etc. Instead of dropping out and leaving it behind, why don't you try to improve the situation? Being a positive and inspiring person helps to bend other people in that direction. As I've heard said elsewhere, be the change you want to see. You can't force others to change, you can only change yourself directly, so for our world to change, all you can really do is make that change in yourself, and hope it helps others to make the same change.

By the way there are problems in non-western countries too. Plenty of people there are going to just be looking out for themselves too. People are people, everywhere. China and India are contributing largely to the industrial society-based problems too. Everywhere there are all types of people. I think it's a little naive to think otherwise. ;)
 
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I experienced the weirdest and most powerfully spiritually feeling trip on this substance 2 days ago which I finally feel as if I have mostly processed. It helps edit all the swirling messy ideas from my acid and mushroom experiences. It also seems to make me more cautious with my use of kratom and nicotine.
 
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@ Xorkoth

What we/you could do is doing more charity work in your own country, if leaving the location is a no-go for personal reasons. I know for myself, that I will not fuel the machinery any further soon and stop being around superficial western people, that only live for personal gain. Even if they are friendly.

@MSK

Harcode anti system vibes.. =D It's not the egocentric approach towards life that makes me sick, it is that in combination with the delusion, that you take drugs because of the revealations and realizations you get instead of just admiting it is out of hedonism. But since I don't live in your shoes, I cannot estimate how hard it is to get a degree and a decent job in Spain, since the crisis hit you harder than central/northern European countries. So perhaps that is a respectable accomplishement on its own, I cannot judge.
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I'm as hedonistic as I can be, I take drugs for fun most of the time. Dissociatives and psychedelics epiphanies and dellusions only led me to make bad choices in my life
 
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Tree mejoe has no effect on dopamine.

I feel it too Veidog! This thread has been exploding with excellent discussion as of this week! Shoot me PM when you get a chance man! We chat all about philosophical nuisance! Thank you man! That's why I love this board. You can come here and find like minded folks that share your ideals!

Xor, that's why it's so important to learn how to properly integrate these experiences! That's how why extended daily use at, especially at high daily dosing can turn so wickedly delusional. You don't have time to integrate these experiences and without that you begin to believe some wacky shit... That's why I believe it's best to be a skeptic! You need to have time to "remotely" view these things. Take a step back and analyze them before deciding to simply randomly throw all your faith into something. I respect people with "faith", I truly do, but my life experience has taught me it's better to take a step back, throughly analyze situations, and then decide how to approach it... I've also had similar problems. I believe truthfully that the world is honestly a pretty negative place and that there are many people more interested in furthering themselves by stepping over others rather than being worried about making postive impacts and helping those that they have the ability too. Life is pain, suffering, and that transcending into death is that breaking of that binding chains from that. Life is speckled with beauty though and it's your job to make it filled with as much as you can for yourself and others!

Ziirp, that's fucked up! If your such a grand person, what are you doing to "be the change"? It's hard for a single person to change the world. Sometimes as long as you have the right point of view and do what you can(trying to make all the people you can to the best of your ability for example!), that's more important to be manical, and failing to change to do anything because of disillusionment! Also everyone takes any drugs for hedonistic reasons, it's just the fact that if pursued that psychedelics can also go much further than that. Psychedelics/dissociatives are the euphoric chemicals I've ever used and I've done a lot of chemicals!
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It feels dopaminergic as fuck... More than cocaine. What it is touching instead of dopamine for that rushing feeling?
 
Ziiirp said:
You are glad paying taxes for a government that exploits the whole world and proceeds to conquer countries for oil/power through wars and abuses its own unemployed inhabitants by glorifying patriotism and furthermore doesn't even provide a proper health care system for its population ? .
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Dude, he lives in the usa, not israel.

We're just their proxy. Kekeke
 
Oh, I thought it was dopamine because serotonin-related compounds like MDMA just make me feel a bad comedown while with this one I can dose days in a row without losing the effect or feeling depressed for days ?
 
Oh I think eventually some depression is still likely, not sure if you can easily notice it clearly since you recently mentioned taking quite some drugs pretty much daily.. my experience at least is that yea it can rebound but only after very frequent or prolonged use.
MDMA can't be compared cause it is a triple monoamine releaser and not merely an SRI when it comes to monoamines.

But yea I have been confused a number of times too, remembering incorrectly whether 3-MeO-PCP or MXE are DRI's. But a few of these dissociatives also act a little on NET, I think [yes 4-MeO-PCP].. nothing on dopamine though..

I think the main explanation may be the paradoxical actions of suppressing inhibitory brain function, so if the dissociative even just via NMDA antagonism removes the 'brakes', the net effect is stimulation of certain kinds. There was an interesting thread in NSP about this, I had a lot of questions.
 
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Oh I think eventually some depression is still likely, not sure if you can easily notice it clearly since you recently mentioned taking quite some drugs pretty much daily.. my experience at least is that yea it can rebound but only after very frequent or prolonged use. MDMA can't be compared cause it is a triple monoamine releaser and not merely an SRI when it comes to monoamines. But yea I have been confused a number of times too, remembering incorrectly whether 3-MeO-PCP or MXE are DRI's. But a few of these dissociatives also act a little on NET, I think [yes 4-MeO-PCP].. nothing on dopamine though.. I think the main explanation may be the paradoxical actions of suppressing inhibitory brain function, so if the dissociative even just via NMDA antagonism removes the 'brakes', the net effect is stimulation of certain kinds. There was an interesting thread in NSP about this, I had a lot of questions.
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That was interesting to read :) Probably for me it's harder to feel any comedown, because if I'm not into dissos or psychedelics, I'm into benzos, alcohol, cannabis and GBL nearly everyday, so I rarely feel comedowns or depression as I'm always on GABA-related stuff ^^ BTW, reading this can lead some of you to believing I'm a hardcore drug abuser. Not at all. I was in the past, but I've got a job now, and I only drug myself after it finished, without redoses, and without crazy doses. That way, there are not comedowns to fear :D
 
Hey nobody really started judging your use patterns, I mentioned it cause as you say I suspected that it may be too hard for you to notice and link depression from 3-MeO-PCP or similar drugs and even if you tried... the other drugs may have been interacting so you cant infer much from it.

Good that you're functional, but I've been periodically on the drugs you mention including long enough stretches on GABAergics, and sure you can just try to continue it your whole life but long term effects and tolerance can still catch up with you.. not to rain on your parade but I've been through that (G dependency / binges, benzo dependency) and its weird to act like its no problem at all.

Also the 'no DRI' thing from that old NSP thread turned out to be wrong, and I have repeatedly forgotten that. But yeah 3-MeO-PCP doesn't have appreciable DRI effects but PCP does.
 
Yeah I'm currently battling it out with GABAergic dependency, it may ease the comedowns but it for suuuure makes every single thing worse in the long run. I can't wait to get off of benzos and stop drinking so frequently. Gonna be a long ass taper. You'd think kicking a benzo and opiate addiction at the same time when I was younger would have been enough for me to learn to stay the fuck away, but nooo, rational me convinced myself that I would be able to take Etiz for longer than traditional benzos because it was a thieno, so it'll all be good.. Right? Hell no!

Crazy that 3-MeO doesn't have much DRI effect! Makes a lot of sense come to think of it though, the smoothness of the stimulation. Thanks for shedding some light on that action, I like your analogy of removing the 'brakes'.
 
MSK said:
I'm as hedonistic as I can be, I take drugs for fun most of the time. Dissociatives and psychedelics epiphanies and dellusions only led me to make bad choices in my life
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Sorry (@MSK, Xorkoth), I was sleep deprived and on 2c-e yesterday. Of course that is my general opinion, but randomly accusing people of not doing enough for the world is of course not gonna solve any problems.
 
Good vibes Ziiirp, I wasn't offended at all with your comments, I love the exchange of so different opinions in this thread
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I was there in the hole once, boys... For three years I was comboing insane ammounts of ketamine + MXE + alprazolam + GBL + cannabis + beer like everyday, on some kind of infinite binge loop.... Now I take cannabis and beer everyday after work, and 1-2 times a week I take some disso. The alprazolam and GBL, I left them for those hard days I need to come down from a disso or a psychedelic, or the days that without drugs I can't sleep at 4 a.m. (I'm imsomniac).

I'm an angel now, compared to my old myself... But still a hardcore drug abuser for most of the people that know about my drug use patterns ;P

About 3-MeO and the dopamine, the discussion lead me to the wikipedia page for the drug, that says:

"Though 3-MeO-PCP is often described as having opioid or dopaminergic activity,[2] this supposition is contradicted by data showing 3-MeO-PCP to be a potent and selective ligand for the NMDA receptor without appreciable affinity for the µ-opioid receptor or dopamine transporter."

Interesting
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Thanks guys. I don't just feel like a child on 2c-e, I also act like one. :p K, nuff with off-topic, don't want to crash the thread, although I'm fucking jealous about anyone, who still has access to this godly substance. :!
 
Yeah I also used to be much worse.. passed most stations, tried good part of the drug spectrum, dependencies of most major groups.. but came back from the really bad stuff tho i obviously still use some things, but rather occasionally. So indeed its definitely two-sided: achievement compared to some times, path behind you and the path before you.. etc - no criticism but perspective and keeping an eye on it, and grip.. same towards myself.

@ 3meo: Maybe I am too quick saying this but maybe now that the UK has blanket ban, vendors that move away from there or ones that replace the UK ones that disappear, can obviously carry 3meo and other arylcyclohexylamines bar MXE which is EU banned.. They dont have to follow UK rules anymore that banned arylcyclohexylamine dissociatives already a while back. I think Ive seen at least one such vendor already, and it makes perfect sense.

So while staying completely vague about vendor discussion, just saying: currently jealous people might be in luck. :)
 
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