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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread: 3-MeO 4 Leaf Clover

^3Meo, i'm thinking you should be alright. I went on many binges with this compound, every day for a month at a time, and I always heal up fine. You're probably in for about thirty to sixty days of fuzzy memory, short as shit attention span, dips into alternate states of hypomania/depression and possibly some lingering psychosis. I don't know if you have all the symptoms I always got when I used to do extended binges but they were only frightening the first time around and the subsequent times I knew they would end so they were just mainly annoying, so keep your head up! You talk mainly about the feelings of being intellectually compromised and having ADD type symptoms and for me I had those too but the psychosis was the major symptom for me, so be glad that isn't bombarding you too! I hope the fact that it's temporary will give you some peace of mind too! ;)

This stuff is really great, it has amazing healing potential, you just have to pace yourself and not over-indulge; it has an alternate face like opposing sides of a coin, though, and if you have too much of such a great thing it will force you to respect it. I learned my lesson from my overuse and now I only use it in the same context as something like mushrooms or LSD, to improve my life and cultivate a happier and more tuned psyche. It is more versatile than psychedelics are so it is easy to go overboard with it because its got more to it than a mindblowing trip; it has so many different shades. I will still use it at low doses when I need my mind tuned up just a little bit and higher doses when I need the full dissociative overhaul, but i'll never again abuse it.
 
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hey 3meo. good call on chilling out for a while. I don't believe there are any dangerous withdrawal effects to worry about. you will probably just start feeling more and more on solid ground each day. I wouldn't go looking for supplements or nootropics for recovery, that can be a slippery slope and just re-engage the compulsions you're trying to quiet.

in my experience the first few days coming out of a disso binge you may think you're closer to normal than you really are.

someone gave me good advice once, a good antidote to dissasociatives is to get "associative" I.e. engage with family and friends, connect with the concrete reality around you.

you're gonna be ok, don't be scared.
 
Risks were listed for PCP earlier in this thread and should also apply to 3-MeO-PCP.

Dissociatives can have quite some effect on cognition, part of which can take months to reverse or more if you overdo it. Psychosis, anxiety or depression may be possibilities.

Doubtful if nootropics ever made me get into drugs more. But in my opinion 3-MeO-PCP is not something to abuse, even for abuse standards. As for recovery, it takes time but also a commitment to only use with moderation, and if that isn't a real option for you (which is what it sounds like, ive been there many of us have), abstinence. Took me a while to figure out what is and isn't worth it for my health and what to just cut out and how many positive things I want to be doing before any drug use is permitted.

I may do a little at some point in the next week..
 
So the story really follows quite well until a friend went into psychosis/schizo effects by not eating or sleeping for about two weeks that well. This person was my ABSOLUTE best friend and we had plans of dosing it properly and all volumetrically prepared with syringes and IM syringes and oral tests, allergy tests.

Oh and onto the beginning of the use… I was so god damned careful with the dosage trying it out…. Then I went for a big dose days later which was JUST FINE until that schizo friend sent me to the hospital thinking I NEEDED to go because I needed a psych ward for three days. I had to use the cops to get my keys when the hospital let me go WITHIN THREE HOURS. I told them I knew what I was doing, I could talk about the NDMA receptor and all kinds of stuff it was fine… This friend blocked me while I'm in the ER at 3:30 AM telling me I need jesus, she had already been telling me about the messages she hears from the radio and TV. This person was trying to control me and get me on a three day hold or something. It was real fucked up. I can't remember everything that happened the right way, even the beginning of the use is confusing because I remember trying low doses just to gauge effects and what not. I remember being fine for days until… something and that girl.

It's hard to piece together what happened exactly.. the timeline and everything…

This person had a lot of issues going on but to make a long story short she kind of fucked me over real hard…. Completely left me as a best friend after going out on a date with a girl, and she hadn't been with a girl in years and other things… Basically I got suicidal and had the drugs on hand… I ended up having to go through A TON OF STRESS to get my belongings back and another person who had been in my life started staying with me.

So I ended up with a bunch of DCK and 3-meo and went on some huge binge for however long it lasted… Maybe two weeks… Maybe four.

I stayed high as shit on DCK and 3-meo fluctuating between addiction, being suicidal, being over stressed, feeling HEAVILY fucked over...

I last used tuesday and felt great until I ate a bunch of wheat christmas eve. Cannabis seemed to be helping until the wheat.. I must have still been high.

So I want to quit every thing and just deal with it.. I'm so glad for the replies though. They REALLY help. I'm very ADD feeling and everything that was said was so relevant.

So I'm just gonna have to deal with the symptoms, not treat them with anything? Not even magnesium malate? I was JUST using this prior to the 3-meo incident with great success for feelings of anxiety and ADD. I have a real anxiety problem and it was getting better. There's something about magnesium and calcium levels and ADD.

All I know now is that I REALLY want to achieve baseline with healthy eating and exercise. I've been into conscious eating for a long time now and it's the only way I feel good. I get actual symptoms from foods like peanut butter and wheat and so many other things.

Anyways… Are you guys sure there is nothing worth taking for helping my brain heal quicker? I know bacopa could be messy. Lions mane some other memory enhancers like PRL-8-53 or something that makes sense with positive reviews. Magnesium makes a lot of sense with ADD people, especially with anxiety. The doctor already prescribed magnesium oxide which I haven't even taken because… Well I'm sure you know. And those binders and fillers…

I want to try something simple that heals the brain… Lions mane, some of the russian stuff. I know this isn't the right thread to ask these questions, but you guys helped tremendously so far.

3-meo changed my life for the better every time I used it until this time. I figured out quickly how it's a molecule that needs respected and that you start to get to know it because it's so subtle...

I'm going to have to say goodbye to drugs, aren't I? :) Just go to food, the advice you guys gave, and my super green smoothies I've been making… Months of waiting to get better… I was doing so good prior to this incident!

I learned a lot about really not letting people get to me, I feel like I learned a lot from this. I'm going to forget a lot of what I learned too… I can't pull memories out too well or form them or stay focused. I also didn't plan on writing this big of a reply. I know I fucked up but I really want to feel better….

Would a doctor prescribed anything that could hurt me? Would anti psychotics be dumb? I already talked to the pharmacist about the abuse, he knows my history of everything.. He told me that at my doctors appointment the psychiatrist will do something for the racing thoughts… I didn't even bother to ask what that meant because at the time I wanted nothing more than to be sober and take the least amount of chemicals...

Damn I'm really just going to have to tough this one out. I must keep making the next right decision. It does not include any drug use at all and if I get depressed or anxious or confused, I need to have something written down so I can help myself when I can't think.

All because I got suicidal with two vials of two dissos and a binge that left me continuing to do it suicidally at times… With as much as I want to get high, there is nothing but sobriety at this point… Damn I fucked up a great thing by letting that person….. Well I did it to myself, just heavily heavily triggered and controlled and stressed out..

Alright no more filling the thread with this kind of stuff. It's hard to focus and search myself, like to think of doing that isn't an idea I have. So I can google what kind of damage I did. Like dopaminergic receptor cell death or excitoxicity or something, I have no idea what it would be at this point…. but thank you for the replies!

Edit: I want to try noopept or something…
 
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I had a friend that overdosed on 3meo and was fucked up for a couple weeks. He said when he looked at someone talking to him he would just like catch the end of their sentence and "missed the rest of it. Or if someone was talking to him all he would see is a part before they were making eye contanct and not the part wherre they looked.

he said it stopped after a week or two.
 
Fuck.
It kinda bugs me seeing this stuff become the flavour-of-the-month chem.
People that dose recklessly (not aimed at anyone specifically - just mean that generally) would be better off not being able to get it so easily, in an ideal world.
I mean, a lot of people seem to agree it's special stuff - that deserves massive respect.

I don't think it's been said enough in this discussion lately - do not eyeball 3-meo-pcp
 
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Fuck.
It kinda bugs me seeing this stuff become the flavour-of-the-month chem.
People that dose recklessly (not aimed at anyone specifically - just mean that generally) would be better off not being able to get it so easily, in an ideal world.
I mean, a lot of people seem to agree it's special stuff - that deserves massive respect.

I don't think it's been said enough in this discussion lately - do not eyeball 3-meo-pcp
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You're right. It seems that the 3meow lovers that are usually arround here (myself included) are in general semi-responsible adults with massive disso tolerance and experience. Most of the time we are talking about our huge dosages, our eyeballing and the huge devotion we have got with the substance (Nearly deifying it) without talking about the harm reduction, and that can lead to some bad times if an inexperienced user read us and thinks that our behaviour patterns are normal. They are not.

This is not ketamine, this is not MXE. Start as low as 1-5mg for your first trials with the substance, and titrate up your dose very slowly. 3-MeO-PCP lingers a lot on the body, and it was the cause of some psychotic episodes that ended on the hospital or the psych ward.

This is not a substance to take daily, and it can be really addictive. Treat with a lot of caution and respect. It deserves even more respect than DMT IMHO.
 
"He said when he looked at someone talking to him he would just like catch the end of their sentence and "missed the rest of it."

Exactly what's happening to me… Okay it'll go away. Wonder if I try noopept anyways. I'll keep updating with my progress to baseline. I was terrified of permanent brain damage.

Remember back in the day when it wasn't all over reddit?!?! Even in 2012 I was part of private forums with just 20 members or some that were bigger.

It really is too "out there" now. This drug is GLORIFIED and although in the past it has been life changing, this binge was just RETARDED. My last uses of this drug lead to a job promotion with no negative after effects, and a great trip with cannabis that allowed me to deconstruct my life and so much more. Prior to this binge I had used the drug less than 30 times but really got a feel for it's subtleness…. I can't believe I fucked myself up because a girl and being suicidal….

I even treat weed like LSD most of the time(set and setting and having plans for hours and aligning "energy" before dosing even if it takes days)...

Lesson well learned. I will get better!

Love you guys though.. Love the insights of reading here. Maybe in a year I'll try this, maybe not. I don't really care about anything but getting my intelligence back and nootropics at the moment. Health and consciousness, meditation.

When I holed on this stuff I went somewhere.. I could write about it… It was INTENSE. The binge left me with a lot of insight and a strong will to live and do the right thing.

I could start to go to NA meetings for some kind of drug problem, or I could continue to talk and read and connect and follow the advice already given.

I think the scene NEEDS A BIG CHANGE. I left the scene for a couple years and came back in august TO REDDIT… What a joke! Too many people are buying cheap grams of 3-meo and other drugs and there are all kinds of reports of "I didn't buy a $40 scale".

I made volumetric solutions and had syringes for perfect dosing oral or not and still made mistakes. We gotta change the scene!! I've been thinking that for a long time now. We need to promote more than harm reduction. People are going to make mistakes and do what they want and barely read before taking a drug.

Even spending months and reading all the info on 3-meo, somebody could still make a mistake because of the drugs effects, such as redosing or daily dosing even though they had no plans to.

What is the solution? Who knows, but I think it'd be great to own a company that does CoA's, NMR's, GC/MS testing for the community. Selling reagents and scales, everything needed for a person who is researching NOOTROPICS since the goal of the company could not be to help out the RC community most likely.

Hope I'm not going too off topic or anything for this thread. I'm really considering ordering noopept from a great website with CoA. What if a 56 day run after this binge leads to me a place of massive healing?

I had a three month binge multiple drugs, ended up with sobriety and a plan to heal with 3-meo or DCK. Turned out to be a disaster. Just want to heal and avoid narcotics or highs, just heal!!!
 
3meo, why not leave the noots alone as long as you're getting better? you're coming from such a low point, your brain will do a lot on its own with just rest and exercise. noopept is kind of inconsistent in how it affects people. some report that it gives them short-term memory issues and word retrieval problems.

let each simple step be in the right direction
 
Thank you.

I wanted to update with… I was pretty shaky and whatever else was going on. I felt like I couldn't go outside… I have things I need to do.

I did a plug with magnesium chloride oil and diluted with water, and then proceed with some sprays after the shower. About 550mg elemental magnesium… This is what I was using twice per day on a regular schedule during the valium taper and it appeared to help a lot. With the pharmacist and med student I was meeting with daily, I don't know, I have studied pharmacology enough that I can usually say something relevant but damn am I fried.

I started feeling much better and decided that lithium orotate has helped me in the past tremendously when used acutely. I believe it's something that doesn't need dosed every day btw, and I will tell the doctor that Wednesday.. And tell him about the magnesium…

I feel functional. I can think and I have been doing things that make sense and the ADD effect is down. The magnesium started to help with everything and the lithium topped it off. I hope the lithium stays in me for long enough that I am able to go outside tomorrow and do what I need to do. I couldn't do it today, I was SO ANXIOUS until now. Now it's too late to go to where I wanted but I can go tomorrow. Thank god I see my doc wednesday and I can grab what I need to for that appointment for him to fill out.

I think magnesium could help, along with all the other steps in the right direction. Just leave it at that, no nootropic is going to help. No drug use will either. I could smoke weed if I wanted but… is it really going to help? Maybe on occasion to tweak my perception but travel can do that as well...

The doctor may or may not want to do something about the racing thoughts. The lithium appeared to work. I can't go on for weeks or months unable to live. I'm going to update maybe in a week or two? Should I even bother?

So rest and exercise… I should just tough it out and tell the doctor… I mean he may want to prescribe something if I'm all shaky and nervous and can't focus. He may not.

I appreciate the feedback, it helps me stay grounded and there is nobody else to talk to about 3-meo abuse, there was the DCK too… So return to baseline with food, exercise, rest, and every step be in the right direction. I was already going to groups and all kinds of stuff.

I think I'll try to relax and just… damn. I hope my comments help somebody out. I know I've read about certain drugs on forums with posts like mine and it showed me "clearly you do not want to abuse that". Obviously like I said before, I got suicidal and tons of stressors came up. I became an instant IV addict with both molecules and stayed suicidal or got happy and crashed. Whatever happened…

RESPECT it like everyone says. Respect anything… we all know what we need to do in life in every second, we often don't listen. I mean really in a lot of places of my life I KNOW WHAT I NEED TO DO almost all the time. Like eating certain foods, not hanging out with certain people, being real quick with certain people because I live in a downtown.

Alright time to find a CBT therapist or some kind of support group while I am having major confusion, memory problems, forgetting what people are talking about while they are talking. I mean it's beyond ADD and short term memory loss.

I pray for you homeostasis!! :)

Perhaps after the doctor or a couple weeks I can make a brief post that is more tl;dr and maybe it'll help somebody. Maybe I'll come back with "groups, meditation, healthy eating, and forcing myself to do things and write things down to stay grounded"

Alright, LATER!
 
Well, I finally got my hands on the old tan batch again. Hypomania city! Hooray! The effects of the two batches are absolutely different, no possible way I am deluding myself. I have both now and I use one or the other for its own range of effects.

Glad I have this old batch again now, I really like the tiny bumps all day to produce a reliable state of hypomania. Gonna be great for band practice in a bit. :)
 
Xork, I'm always willing to run GCMS tests on weird drugs for science, contact me via PM if you'd like to take me up :)

I'm not too sure about acute usage of lithium: as I recall it can do some very strange things to sodium excretion/the kindeys if misused. Part of why it's dosed regularly when used theraputically is to avoid a peak-and-trough effect and maintain a reasonably steady blood level.
 
Is it also more difficult to monitor the levels when you take lithium acutely or intermittently? I thought it was very important to monitor those levels because of small therapeutic index?

I have some 3-MeO which is supposed to be non-manic, but I haven't taken it in a while and that makes me less certain of it. Someone should probably submit for testing who's confident of the kind of batch. Maybe if i revisit.
 
Cheers to the magical molecule that is 3-meo-pcp, it has helped me get off of opiates for good this time, no more relapse cycles, I've done it two many times. 3meo is such a pure inner light, a great tuning tool for rediscovering life after so many years dulled by opiate maintenance. Vortech's gears are feeling clean!
 
Congrats, how so? How did it help / how is it different? I did use some after I got off opiates for PAWS, during withdrawals I only tried low dose DXM which alleviated things a little.
 
Solipsis, bro, the inner light is so much more pure without sticky opiate in my brain, I don't really know how to say it, it is more of a feeling and a sense, smell, synthesis of something magic (that which can not be explained with current science)
 
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