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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy 2C-T Thread

2C-T that turned out as a piperazine, getting the thread back on topic (DOEF?), a glowing report that returned to ordinary on further inspection, discussion about isopropylated lysergamides? What is up with this thread? Let's get the topic back to 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylthiophenethylamine! :)

I've had the chance to try 53 mg of 2C-T HCl p.o. (confirmed via melting point and origin) yesterday. The dose was equal to about 12 mg of 2C-B HCl p.o. in intensity. This is my first encounter with a thio, and I have to say it was a nice teaser. I have written down notes, but not yet finished the report and perhaps I'll wait for a couple more experiments at different doses before "publishing" it. It might be due to "priming" myself (i.e. nature vs nurture debate of psychedelics), but it was kind of like I imagined it to be - a warm, friendly and mild material. There was a bit of nausea, but it quickly settled in. It was not euphoric, but definitely moodlifting and had a bit of the dreamyness characteristic of entactogens like MDA or BDB (the only two benzodioxoles I tried). I'm excited to see how reliable this is, because of course although 2C-B is plentiful and can do much of the same stuff, it is not always reliable in giving a warm/cozy experience - maybe 2C-T is. It is definitely a nice material, although I can understand why a chemist wouldn't be too excited to make it - it's about as much work as making any other 2C-T-x and it is not too potent and perhaps not too remarkable. I liked it though - well, to be honest, there are few phenethylamines I didn't like and those cases I'm convinced were due to set/setting...
 
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2C-T is of major interest to me. It always seemed promising as a therapeutic adjunct. It didn't hurt that it sounded pleasant and easygoing, as well. For shame, it doesn't sound likely to make the rounds for the reasons you mentioned.
 
In the last trip report I mentioned the likelihood that 2C-T could be great for dancing, due to the entactogen-ish and light headspace. While I would have liked to experiment with the substance a bit further before going out and wild with it, the ideal opportunity came. I wanted to go stomping, and stomping I did! I don't go clubbing much, the last time was probably 1.5 years ago. And this was the first time in a club which was proper - people *wanting* to dance, rather than people drinking too much beer, spilling it on the floor, using their muscular upper bodies to willfully shove themselves into small and light people (me) while doing Instagram posts. So that was great. But it felt like I wasted 68 mg 2C-T on this. I could have danced myself into trance easily without it, it barely ever gave me effects, other than some inconsistent wavy euphoria and maybe a few CEVs (I could have been tired though...). And nausea in the beginning, which quickly subsided, but was reintroduced and left equally quick after taking a bite from a Muesli bar. My friends on 21 mg 2C-B HBr had an otherworldy experience in the meanwhile.

Not sure what caused these complications. First, there could have been tolerance in play:
50 μg 1T-LSD 8 days prior, 2C-C at 34 mg 6 and 5 days prior, 10 mg 2C-D on the morning of the same day... But I have also realised my earlier experiments with 12 mg 2C-B in a club in the past were mostly free of effects as well - which is why I chose a dosage which should have been equivalent to 15 mg, extrapolating from my 53 mg experience being equivalent to about 12 mg 2C-B.

Maybe I'm just really good at stomping out all the psychedelia!

Who knows, either way, I feel safe to try with 80 mg in the comfort of my own home after a bit of a break from the recent escapades.
 
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@xdrc Are you on any other medications, perhaps SSRIs or the like? I also am not positive, but would assume that 2C-D creates tolerance, so taking it the morning before taking 2C-T is probably just an obscure way to waste 2C-T, which I imagine is a hassle to acquire if you're not actively conjuring it in a beaker.

An odd question, have you noticed the (for some people only near, but for many people complete) lack of tolerance inherent to 2C-B occurring in anything else? I've found DMT, harmalas, and allylescaline to all seemingly form zero tolerance for me, my fiancee, and people around me. If 2C-T is affected by a tolerance created by 2C-D, perhaps wait a week or so and then flip it, take 2C-T in the morning and 2C-D at night and it might behave differently, that would be fascinating information to see.

I've noticed that with all three N-benzylated phenethylamines I've used so far (25I-NBOMe, 25B-NBOH and 25C-NBOMe) they can be redosed with seemingly no tolerance as long as I haven't come back to sobriety from the trip yet, but if I have then tolerance has formed. N-Benzylated phenethylamines also make such a heinous tolerance that I don't use them often for that reason, as well as their toxicity.
 
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@xdrc Are you on any other medications, perhaps SSRIs or the like? I also am not positive, but would assume that 2C-D creates tolerance, so taking it the morning before taking 2C-T is probably just an obscure way to waste 2C-T, which I imagine is a hassle to acquire if you're not actively conjuring it in a beaker.
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It is a hassle to conjure, but not impossible... While I can't rule out tolerance playing a role, I did not expect 10 mg of 2C-D to create too much thereof, and honestly I think this is only part of the problem. But maybe not. The 2C-D was taken against a headache, which was sadly entirely ineffective this time.

I really believe that I must take a regular dose of a psychedelic to feel much in a club, as seemingly naturally dancing myself into mildly trance-like states diminishes the effects. Really weird. I think if I continue with experimenting with psychedelics in a club setting, probably with 2C-B as this does not hurt as much losing. But so far, I lacked the confidence to really push the throttle all the way forward and opted for low dosages.

As said, I'll take a tolerance break (and also for mental stability, dosing 4 different psychedelics within 10 days, although on low dosages , is pushing it for me). Then further experimentation.

And no, of course I'm not on any medication. I know roughly what I doing ;)
 
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It is a hassle to conjure, but not impossible... While I can't rule out tolerance playing a role, I did not expect 10 mg of 2C-D to create too much thereof, and honestly I think this is only part of the problem. But maybe not. The 2C-D was taken against a headache, which was sadly entirely ineffective this time.

I really believe that I must take a regular dose of a psychedelic to feel much in a club, as seemingly naturally dancing myself into mildly trance-like states diminishes the effects. Really weird. I think if I continue with experimenting with psychedelics in a club setting, probably with 2C-B as this does not hurt as much losing. But so far, I lacked the confidence to really push the throttle all the way forward and opted for low dosages.

As said, I'll take a tolerance break (and also for mental stability, dosing 4 different psychedelics within 10 days, although on low dosages , is pushing it for me). Then further experimentation.

And no, of course I'm not on any medication. I know roughly what I doing ;)
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It sure does sound like you know what you've got going on here, 10mg of 2C-D for a headache is a fascinating experimental use that reminds me of the famous "Certain Exotic Transmitters as SMART PILLS or Compounds that Increase the Capacity for Mental Work in Humans" by Darrell Lemaire.

Of psychedelic phenethylamines, so far I've used DOB, DOM, 2C-B, 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, 25B-NBOH, mescaline, methamphetamine, amphetamine, bupropion, methcathinone, and allylescaline. Given those as experiential context, how would you compare/contrast the 2C-D experience at varying doses? People tend to report lower doses as more nootropic and then huge doses as being somewhat mescaline/DOM-like.
 
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Regrettably, 2C-D reliably causes headache for me, even at 10mg. Well, once I'm down.
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Seems like this thread has an inherent tendency to derail. So let's embrace it. I've addressed @Esperighanto 's question in a PM. A lot of my thoughts about 2C-D can also be found in my comments in the appropriate thread.

I think 2C-D has the least amount of side effects for me of all phenethylamines. No headaches, no nausea, barely any bodyload. It really is a miracle and I like it very much for its effects. Good stuff, beautiful and simple structure. Personally I believe it could be quite promising in psychotherapy, but granted this is not my area of expertise at all. Sometimes I question whether or not impurities can attribute to side effects, but wouldn't chance dictate that they would be in similar likelihood beneficial? Who knows.

2C-T so far, in the two trials, seemed to be relatively fine too. Apart from the funny business with my hands -> likely psychosomatic, and of course the nausea -> likely inherent, but fortunately short-lived. Wish there were more people writing longer reports of it, as here and there and between the lines I've read some nice things about it. I hope to contribute :)
 
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Yep, all reports that I've read on it described it as pretty transparent and benign-feeling in the body
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2C-T so far, in the two trials, seemed to be relatively fine too. Apart from the funny business with my hands -> likely psychosomatic, and of course the nausea -> likely inherent, but fortunately short-lived. Wish there were more people writing longer reports of it, as here and there and between the lines I've read some nice things about it. I hope to contribute :)
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Got around to assaying it at ~ 80 mg. Unfortunately whatever came out of the trip is not enough for a full trip report, so here is my summary of the experience:

79 mg of 2C-T HCl were taken on a Friday evening on an empty stomach. Again, the taste dissolved in water was bearable. Smelling the water, maybe there was a bit of a sulfury smell, but it is hard to tell if this was suggestion or perhaps I'm just half anosmic and so can't be sure. As I didn't sleep long/well the whole week and the night before was particularly bad, I was fucking tired. I had hoped for the 2C-T to cut through this tiredness, but it wasn't able to. Currently, there is much negative stuff going on mentally - I hoped the 2C-T would grant me some relaxed me-time, thinking about some stuff that is going on, while getting to experience a novel and entertaining Friday night. Unfortunately, it did the "annoying 2C experience" kind of thing - not cutting through to some desirable space, instead, spending a mildly confused time with not much going on.

On the bodily side of things, right from the beginning, it felt again like I had trouble with my hands... yet not over it (psychosomatic from a 25E-NBOH experience 1.5 years ago which just doesn't leave me...). After eating a pudding, I got very nauseated and almost had to puke, but it only took a short time to resolve itself. I have a regular tremor that I should get checked out by a doctor probably, but the 2C-T seemed to make it even worse. The extremeties were feeling very cold, so I decided to take a bath with some candles. Two of the candlelights were flickering, which I then interpreted as my body/heart jittering as well. The bath helped well with some of the issues in the extremetities and lying back, I had some interesting but low in saturation mandala-light-tunnel CEVs. Crossing my legs and touching my feet, I got very confused with which side is which, as if my body was wired up incorrectly now. OEVs never developed past a very slight waving of letters or textures. I got very upset again with how I treat my body and the potential health risks associated with it.

After the bath, I spent a great deal of time chatting with a fellow substance connoisseur ( ;) - you know who you are) about various stuff going on in life, substances, etc. Lying in bed, I felt a very gentle, uplifting and comfortable body feel underlying. However, it was never enough to cut through my semi-depressed/upset/confused space. As by my 53 mg experience, there certainly is potential in the substance, but this time, set/setting did not allow for it to happen and show its magic.

The duration of the experience was about 3.5 h. With the experience fading out, I got happier again (also due to chatting), resolved to change in many ways, take a break from all drugs in February to return to frequent psychedelic consumption, instead of eating up triple releasers as if they were candy (geez, no wonder I feel depressed after opening my statistics...). I think the experience didn't shine because I was way too tired to begin with, had underestimated the mental stuff going on and maybe there is a little bit of a cross-tolerance to entactogens. Definitely I have a great deal of things to address before tripping again with this substance. I think I'd want to have the dosage the same, as I don't think the dosage was an issue, rather the mental state.
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Sorry about the low quality, but I wasn't in the mood to write anything down during the experience. And the above was written down quickly in about half an hour. Decided to work with planning my time better again - this was the timeslot Bluelight got :D Also did a small morning workout routine today - hope to use the momentum. Also this theory of psychedelics reopening critical development windows may mean that one really has to try sticking good habits rather than bad habits in the weeks following an experience.
 
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Got around to assaying it at ~ 80 mg. Unfortunately whatever came out of the trip is not enough for a full trip report, so here is my summary of the experience:



Sorry about the low quality, but I wasn't in the mood to write anything down during the experience. And the above was written down quickly in about half an hour. Decided to work with planning my time better again - this was the timeslot Bluelight got :D Also did a small morning workout routine today - hope to use the momentum. Also this theory of psychedelics reopening critical development windows may mean that one really has to try sticking good habits rather than bad habits in the weeks following an experience.
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Thank you for posting! Not every trip is a revelation, and it's always a huge help to add data points with really rare stuff. I can absolutely relate to the "annoying 2C-x space" where you land in a debilitating but uninteresting halfway space.
 
Pfafffed said:
Not every trip is a revelation
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It's too soon to call it a habit, and I belong to the people who smile at others claiming they had a 'life-changing trip' just yesterday, but I'm still happy to say that I've exercised every day since the trip. Let's keep on a roll ♥️

Edit: 14 days, still going strong.
 
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I did take the last of my 74 mg in February. I did draft a trip report I did not entirely complete, but it is not really all that interesting. It was during exam phase and I woke up with a headache, so I figured I may as well take 2C-T and see what happens. So I did and went on a walk through the local park. And the experience would just not begin. The headache did stop though. It teased me a couple times, only to drop off to a state that was marginally above baseline. Certainly less active than my first 53 mg trial which was quite promising. If it wasn't for the fact I avoided people and noticed a slight alteration of mood and topics of pondering, I might have chalked up all effects I got to placebo. I was certainly free of tolerance. So I'm not quite sure what happened there, 2/4 trips not much happening. Maybe this one is as variable as the other thios.

I do have to say that this 79 mg experience I had and described earlier, albeit somewhat difficult/uncomfortable, was quite fruitful. While I did stop with the morning sport, I do lots of bouldering, meet more with friends, feel healthier and more in tune with my body. And I'm grateful for that. It certainly could have happened without the 2C-T, but it was certainly responsible as catalyst for change. There is a little bit of 2C-T left in the mother liquor from recrystallisation. Maybe I will get another dose worth out of it. It would not be all that hard to get even more, but I'm not sure if it is worth my time. There is a feeling I might have missed something here, but for now, there are other fish to fry with longer alkyl chains on the sulfur. And then there is the DOT I keep "procrastinating" on bioassaying...
 
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