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The Big & Dandy 2C-P Thread

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I've been wondering about the specifics of the "physical disaster" as well. Especially given PiHKAL & TiHKAL's lack of info about participants in the qualitative comments section. And physical disaster is quite vague as well, did it mean horrible emesis, which while unpleasant is normally not life threatening, or did it mean something along the lines of excess CNS & cardiovascular arousal to the point medical attention was required? Who knows. Shulgin does tend to lowball the doses sometimes, and responsibly so, but I think his intent was for people to tread with more caution with this one for some reason, which I intend to do, but if I were to find 10, 12, & 14mg doses enjoyable and not worrying, I'd probably up it to 15mg, possibly even 16 afterwards if I still found the effects to be enjoyable and not worrying. Suffice it to say there's probably nothing magical about a 16mg dose that would cause a physical disaster in everyone, but 2c-p does seem to be substantially more potent that the other 2c-x's. So as always, better safe than sorry, but no reason to cease responsible investigation @ 15mg because of one trip report
 
Going to be experiencing this chemical soon and reading all these reports has me both excited and anxious.

I'll be starting small and working my way up for sure though.
 
Propyl Power said:
Unfortunately, I can't recall where I read this - it may have been some forum or other - but apparently someone asked Shulgin for clarification on the 16 mg 'physical disaster' comment and I think his response was that the girl who had taken it was reliving some kind of traumatic repressed memory, and maybe struggling against it? So if that's the case it sounds like there's a significant psychosomatic component involved in that 'physical disaster'. And of course both 2C-E & 2C-P often communicate psychosomatically.

But again this is totally anecdotal, I have no idea if it's the truth or not.
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Man I really wish that Shulgin were more verbose at times. "Clearly a physical disaster" is a hard statement to interpret when provided with no details of the situation. Nevertheless, the fact remains that 2C-P should be approached with mindfulness and caution. :)

I find this is a situation typical in Shulgin's writing-- he strives to be eloquent, but succeeds only in being terse.
 
Roger&Me said:
I find this is a situation typical in Shulgin's writing-- he strives to be eloquent, but succeeds only in being terse.
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He is a researcher, and everyone in the research community writes like that. I do when i'm writing papers. Because his books are meant for the general public, he adds interesting anecdotes, but at the heart of his writing style is the standard research paper voice (i'm not saying this is a bad way to write; it has advantages and disadvantages, like any other style of writing).
 
to make a few things clear

I keep seeing references to that one instance of "16mg = physical disaster" in shulgin....
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Unfortunately, I can't recall where I read this - it may have been some forum or other - but apparently someone asked Shulgin for clarification on the 16 mg 'physical disaster' comment and I think his response was that the girl who had taken it was reliving some kind of traumatic repressed memory, and maybe struggling against it?. . .
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from another forum
(Shulgin's response in 2004):
I contacted the person who tried the 16 milligram dose of 2C-P
and who gave me the phrase, "16 mg was clearly an overdose, with
the entire experiment labeled a physical disaster, not to be
repeated."

He checked his notes and shared more details that establishes
context for this comment. When he was about eleven years old, he
was sitting in his living room of his parent's house, and a
medium sized earthquake happened and knocked over some furniture
including a full bookcase. This landed on his legs and hurt him
very badly. Nothing was broken, but the pulled muscles made it
painful to walk. This discomfort lasted for upwards of a year.

At the peak of the 2C-P trial (he about 45 years old at the time)
he recalled and re-lived this frightening experience and there was
extreme pain in his legs. No cardiovascular effects, or signs of
toxicity. It was a childhood physical disaster that was re-lived
and he had no wish to repeat that particular dose, as he didn't
want to repeat the pain. He did another experiment two weeks
later, with 9 milligrams, and had a long-lived +++ but had no
childhood memories!

This all took place in late 1985.​



In Pihkal/Tihkal Shulgin often condensed what his researchers reported. The "physical disaster" event seems to have been psychosomatic. The phrase "physical disaster" was out of context.


Not to say that larger doses of 2C-P are "safe". This one seems pretty powerful.
 
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Yeah and I think Gloggawogga (the old PD mod) has taken 14mg without problems.

Only problem you might encounter when your trip goes bad for whatever reasons with 2C-P, you'll be stuck for a damned long period.
 
That Shulgin clarification quote just increased my interest in trying this compound considerably. I think it may be my next experiment after -E (started with -I).
 
wombat66 said:
to make a few things clear




from another forum
(Shulgin's response in 2004):
I contacted the person who tried the 16 milligram dose of 2C-P
and who gave me the phrase, "16 mg was clearly an overdose, with
the entire experiment labeled a physical disaster, not to be
repeated."

He checked his notes and shared more details that establishes
context for this comment. When he was about eleven years old, he
was sitting in his living room of his parent's house, and a
medium sized earthquake happened and knocked over some furniture
including a full bookcase. This landed on his legs and hurt him
very badly. Nothing was broken, but the pulled muscles made it
painful to walk. This discomfort lasted for upwards of a year.

At the peak of the 2C-P trial (he about 45 years old at the time)
he recalled and re-lived this frightening experience and there was
extreme pain in his legs. No cardiovascular effects, or signs of
toxicity. It was a childhood physical disaster that was re-lived
and he had no wish to repeat that particular dose, as he didn't
want to repeat the pain. He did another experiment two weeks
later, with 9 milligrams, and had a long-lived +++ but had no
childhood memories!

This all took place in late 1985.​



In Pihkal/Tihkal Shulgin often condensed what his researchers reported. The "physical disaster" event seems to have been psychosomatic. The phrase "physical disaster" was out of context.


Not to say that larger doses of 2C-P are "safe". This one seems pretty powerful.
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fucking awesome man, thanks for that. The only two easily available 2c-x's I have not tried are -p & -c and i've been toying with purchasing one or both in the near future, and i'd been wavering a bit on -p, but this definitely helps me make a more informed decision.
 
Hah! I wonder if the word "disaster" was chosen without thinking about it simply because of the association with the earthquake memory. It would be funny if word choice alone has largely kept 2C-P off the market in the past.

Regarding the 2C-E/2C-P cognitive/sensual comparison: in the comments of a 2C-P trip report 2C-P was called "way more seducing." This is another experience, including Propyl Power's and mine (a memory from years ago), that indicates 2C-P is a warmer, silkier beast--relatively speaking of course.

I don't know, even though, unlike the consensus about it, 2C-E is already extremely sensual and warm for me, it might be interesting to explore something that's just that much more so. Another lush brush with its velvet sunshine may be in order.
 
phatass said:
should be gettin some 2C-P in a month.. really looking forwwards to it!!! a bit scared coz i don't have a scale and have allways eyeballed my doses... but this sounds like a very potent one... have to start low...
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Just received mine.

I have a scale accurate to .002 and I'M freaking worried about dosing it out correctly! So please don't eyeball it! ;)

Though I'm going to be waiting to experience it until the end of next month with a buddy.

I'll definitely put up a report when I do though and I hope you and others do as well.

EDIT: And it showed no reaction to the Marquis agent when tested.
 
so what are everyone's thoughts on the purity of the 2cp going around? hopefully that is vague enough to not be breaking the rules.

seems like a good amount of people are taking somewhat large doses. like 10 and 12 mg. i have 25 mg, and i was thinking of starting with 6 mg, then if appropriate increase to 8, then 10.
seems like i should get a good feel for it that way
 
porkstock said:
so what are everyone's thoughts on the purity of the 2cp going around? hopefully that is vague enough to not be breaking the rules.

seems like a good amount of people are taking somewhat large doses. like 10 and 12 mg. i have 25 mg, and i was thinking of starting with 6 mg, then if appropriate increase to 8, then 10.
seems like i should get a good feel for it that way
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I'll try and word this carefully... as of the moment I have no reason to doubt that its any less pure than anything else "going around." Granted, 2c-p is the most potent available 2c-x, by the milligram anyway, but Shulgin tends to lowball dosages, and the 16mg "physical disaster" was a bit of a misnomer, so I'd imagine that many people will take dosages larger that what is recommended in PiHKAL. At some point there will be some freakouts i'm sure, so that will probably tell us the effective dose range. Since there weren't any really worrying physical symptoms in the 16mg report from PiHKAL, I would speculate its toxicity profile is similar to that of the other more potent 2c-x's. Hopefully I'm right and its fairly safe and the only hospitalizations we'll see will be from panic attack like things and not anyone keeling over. I doubt it's all that toxic though.
 
someone on another forum reported having a seizure from 2cp. he has been dosing way too much though, as well as smoking and snorting it.

i think what you said^^^ is pretty fair
 
Shulgin by default must always err heavily on the side of caution as his precarious grasp on genuine scientific acheivement may well stand or fall by something as insignificant as a careless remark.


My take on 2CP is that it posesses a degree of unpredicatibilty one subject may intensely overwhelmed whilst another on the same dose/setting has a ball YMMV & this one has long legs
 
So I tried this one this weekend and it is certainly a long-lasting chemical. Dosed 10mg in a gel cap at 2pm, took until about 4:30 to start feeling a gradual ascent towards being tripping. I would say it was 4 hours after ingestion to reach the plateau.

Felt very typically 2c-x, with some initial stomach discomfort and nausea--nothing too bad. Was more relaxed than 2ci, deeper than 2cb, not as clinical as 2ce. Some jaw and back tension. Visuals were not overwhelming but were all around pleasant, OEVs, CEVs were similar to other phenethylamines for me...

Eating was pleasant, socializing was easy, watching a trippy movie would have been enjoyable. Overall, I liked this chemical maybe more than 2cb. The only thing is that it really is a long trip and time seemed to go in jumps--I looked at the clock and was astonished how much time had gone by so quickly. I couldn't really sleep until about 8:00 am so it was a full 16 hours from ingestion until sleep but I did not have any feeling of wishing it would end or wanting to take a benzo.

The next day I felt great, refreshed after 5 hours of sleep, but kind of confused and prone to errors and clumsiness. There was a bit of residual visual stimulation in the form of brighter colors and stuff out of the corner of my eyes. Time still feels somewhat odd and dilated or something.

Overall: recommended for experienced and cautious folks who wouldn't mind a long trip. A+, would dose again ;)
 
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