The Big & Dandy 2C-I Thread

[kayenta]

EtOH is ethanol, not water.

Yes my mistake - didn't read that properly.

10mg/mL is pretty easy to dose out with a 1mL syringe or dropper

If you only have a 1ml dropper there's still going to be a pretty large margin of error though. I've found that as little as 2mg can make a hell of a difference when it comes to 2C-I so I'd still be wary of a concentration that high.

Also, is there actually any advantage in using ethanol rather than water? If I were doing this I'd stick to 1mg/ml water solution personally.

 

[Delta-9-THC]

Ethanol will decrease the chance of the water being contaminated with bacteria I believe. It may also give extra protection from degradation although I'm not sure if that's really a problem with 2Cs.

You would probably need a micropipette or something like it to measure out doses from a 100mg/ml solution.

 

[Jblazingphoenix100]

all this talk about liquid dosing makes me REALLY wanna do it - got plenty of St Johns Wort bottles empty

EDIT: think I might go for 15mg/1ml - I've heard 15mg is a nice dose.

 

[solistus]

By 1mL dropper I mean one with a capacity of 1mL, not 1mL markings. Mine has 5 marks per 0.1mL, so it's accurate enough to dose within about 1mg, methinks.

15mg/mL sounds fine, but I would go with 10 or 20 for easier dosing. With 15mg/mL you don't have an even unit for 1mg, so some doses would be hard to get precisely right - for example, 10mg would require .66666666... mL. Not a huge problem, certainly, just a little inconvenience... It's easy enough to take an extra .5mL to get the same dose with 10mg/mL, IMHO, but it's up to you of course.

I'm sure there are tools to measure those tiny fractions of a mL for 100mg/mL, it just seems unnecessary unless you're trying to store kilograms at a time in a small container or something... Plus, the potential for a catastrophic OD is introduced - one drop of that stuff would be a heroic dose, a small spill could end up being bigger than just about any recorded dose of a 2C. I wouldn't wanna mess with solution at that concentration, at least for day to day use... Then again, carp knows his stuff, so I'm sure he has his reasons.

 

[Roger&Me]

^I definitely agree, I'm a big proponent of dilute solutions. I store 2C's at 1mg/ml, and when I stored DOx they were always at .25mg/ml. Dilute solutions are much safer, for sure.

 

[Jblazingphoenix100]

last night I took a very low dose of 2C-E + a very low dose of 2C-I.
- I would hazard a guess at about 3mg -E & 4mg -1 (I licked the residue off the cut open baggies I've had for about 2/3 months) - was nice: odd shifts in sounds, the tv was warping a lil and people seemed to be fatter in parts of their body like faces and stomachs, colours seemed brighter but for once I didnt get any change in colours, the flashing effect of 2C-I was happening which was nice, and I got the increased body temperature of 2C-E mixed with the strange stimulations of 2C-I which made me get chills every now and then...

Low dosing is strange!! All in all the experience lasted about 4.5 hours, but I had nausea the whole way through

 

[naura]

the visuals were (imo) more similar to those of oral dmt than eating mushrooms, despite the fact that 4-AcO-DMT is the acetate ester of psilocin. but overall, yeah, 25mg 4-AcO feels like a clean, euphoric shroom trip WITHOUT ANY BODY LOAD.

 

[love_sex_desire]

the visuals were (imo) more similar to those of oral dmt than eating mushrooms, despite the fact that 4-AcO-DMT is the acetate ester of psilocin. but overall, yeah, 25mg 4-AcO feels like a clean, euphoric shroom trip WITHOUT ANY BODY LOAD.

I completely agree about everything you said about 4-AcO-DMT, cept this is a thread about 2C-I haha

The much superior Psilacetin compound is taking over 2C-I!

 

[protovack]

some thoughts from a recent 2ci trip....

How did I become so jaded? Where did I get the idea that nothing matters? Things effect me so deeply that I distance myself from the present moment. I have been afraid and I do not believe in myself. Even those words, I now realize, I have never even thought about what they mean. To "believe in" one's self. Not some abstract notion of hedonism. But to actually BELIEVE that I exist. To actually feel the present moment, and BE in it. I can no longer let fear hold me back. I am missing out on so much. I can just tell, there is this huge world of....SOMETHING that I have closed myself off from. And I didn't do it intentionally. It's almost like it's part of who I am, to do that. But I need to let go. My best friend knows that, and told me in so many words. How does he know? Connections with other humans. Wow. This is how things really are. I feel like most people, if they could feel what I am feeling, would simply nod and say, "yea, see?" The problem is, why do I have to be tripping on psychedelic drugs to feel it? My life is a stack of preconceived notions that must be sorted through. No scratch that, abolished. Knocked over. Forget even the idea of "notions". Everything I know is wrong. I've been approaching life backwards. I must find a path to unlock the present, in every day life. The infinite, colorful, electric moment. Stripped of interpretation. I will INVERT my thinking, and UNTIE the knots underneath which I've hidden myself away. I AM a beautiful person. In fact, everyone is beautiful, inherently.

 

[|>R()|)!G/-\|_]

some thoughts from a recent 2ci trip....


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How did I become so jaded? Where did I get the idea that nothing matters? Things effect me so deeply that I distance myself from the present moment. I have been afraid and I do not believe in myself. Even those words, I now realize, I have never even thought about what they mean. To "believe in" one's self. Not some abstract notion of hedonism. But to actually BELIEVE that I exist. To actually feel the present moment, and BE in it. I can no longer let fear hold me back. I am missing out on so much. I can just tell, there is this huge world of....SOMETHING that I have closed myself off from. And I didn't do it intentionally. It's almost like it's part of who I am, to do that. But I need to let go. My best friend knows that, and told me in so many words. How does he know? Connections with other humans. Wow. This is how things really are. I feel like most people, if they could feel what I am feeling, would simply nod and say, "yea, see?" The problem is, why do I have to be tripping on psychedelic drugs to feel it? My life is a stack of preconceived notions that must be sorted through. No scratch that, abolished. Knocked over. Forget even the idea of "notions". Everything I know is wrong. I've been approaching life backwards. I must find a path to unlock the present, in every day life. The infinite, colorful, electric moment. Stripped of interpretation. I will INVERT my thinking, and UNTIE the knots underneath which I've hidden myself away. I AM a beautiful person. In fact, everyone is beautiful, inherently.

Psychedelics ftw...again (time after time)

 

[Extracticator]

Does anyone else find 2c-i to be very lacking in the deep psychedelic thinking mindset that seems to be so common with other substances? I have only experienced deep or profound thoughts once on 2c-i and it was with a large 40 mg dose. All other times I am very obviously high but don't feel like i'm part of the experience, more like i'm just watching a nice visual art show. I'd like to know what some other people think or if there are combos/doses that will allow me to trip deeper with 2c-i.

 

[Roger&Me]

^Deep, profound thoughts aren't impossible to experience on 2C-I but they are rare it seems.

Personally 2C-I kind of fucks my logic and critical thinking skills, so I'm not able to process much in the way of insights. I usually spend the whole time grooving on how awesome the music sounds.

 

[heythatsmybike]

probably been said before, but heat so lsd with your 2ci. Greatest combo of any sort that i've ever had

 

[guerillabedlam]

Does anyone else find 2c-i to be very lacking in the deep psychedelic thinking mindset that seems to be so common with other substances? I have only experienced deep or profound thoughts once on 2c-i and it was with a large 40 mg dose. All other times I am very obviously high but don't feel like i'm part of the experience, more like i'm just watching a nice visual art show. I'd like to know what some other people think or if there are combos/doses that will allow me to trip deeper with 2c-i.

Upon one 2ci experience I found it to be pretty deep thinking and analytical. I haven't done 2ce in awhile but I found 2ci to be quite more deep thinking than 2ce, just not as visual. It doesn't feel like the cognitive aspect is as overwhelming as LSD or mushrooms though.

 

[Extracticator]

Perhaps that is my real problem, i'm trying to compare tryptamines to phenethylamines(apples to oranges?). I'm actually looking at getting some 2c-e very soon, would you say it is common for it to be less analytical then 2c-i which I am quite familiar with? Over the past few months I have banned simulants and general "party drugs"(including alcohol) from my psychoactive diet. Mainly from some over use of methylone and MDPV. If the general consensus is that 2c-e is just visual and simulating I will probably get a lot less of it.

 

[guerillabedlam]

^The experiences from Phens and RC's in particular seem to vary drastically from person to person. I felt nothing analytical or insightful on my few 2ce trips. That being said I think it's a heavier trip than 2ci.

 

[ColinGibs]

^The experiences from Phens and RC's in particular seem to vary drastically from person to person. I felt nothing analytical or insightful on my few 2ce trips. That being said I think it's a heavier trip than 2ci.

because you have to do the analysis and be analytical yourself in order to get that from the chemical. Shuglin says himself, they're just tools that catalyze your mind to expand on things it can do already. You're the expander in the end.

 

[Jblazingphoenix100]

I would definitely say 2C-E can be very deep - go into the 2C-E thread though, and the archive one...definitely one of my favourite insightful substances, because it is so powerfully visual and sensational.

Back on topic, it's been said before but I will say it a million times - I don't think 2C-I is deep AT ALL. In fact I might go so far as to say it jumbles my thoughts and works towards doing silly things, lowers my inhibitions like a motherfucker actually. I have only done it once, but that night turned out to be great on so many levels because I got with 2 people one whom I REALLY wanted to for a few weeks, but bad in that said girl had a lot on her plate and I knew this - hence the mind jumbling.

 

[theotherside]

I have taken 2c-i three times and I am still very confused by the experience. I tried it at 20mg again the other night and got some nice visuals and a body stimulation, but the visual field it presents just pales in comparasion to say 2c-t-2. I usually like pyschedelics that are a perfect mix between beautiful visuals and not "too" much mind fuck. I have never gone over 20mg's so maybe I'm missing the true potential of this one. It is easy going and I think it would be great to use at the tail end of a empathogen experience to give them that extra spark.

 

[johannes kreisler]

just coming up on my 3rd experience with 2c-i. the first was with 9mg rectal, second with 20mg oral, which was distinctly stronger visually and mentally but also regarding bodyload...
this time: 12mg rectal. maybe the sweet spot..

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€: hehe. twas great!
good friend of mine joined in and got 19mg orally. we decided to go hiking and enjoy one of the first 20°C-ish days here in nature...we were on the trails for nearly 4h. including a visit to a really cliché middle-european fucked-up tavern(for 'day trippers'. ). all along with beer mugs, grumpy waiters, the worst music of the 80s and shit - no problem with 2c-i. we were even like: "we'd freak out if we were sober!". of course nature was beauti- and powerful. the efforts of hiking were no problem at all; exhaustion blended wonderfully with the trip and felt good.
on the comedown I got some sips of poppy tea. -> defenitely recommended.

dose/ROA: the 12mg plugged did not feel stronger than 20mg orally. but it's difficult to quantify as the effects are slightly different in quality. plugging it is superior ime(duration is shorter though) but it's not that much more potent [-> twice] when plugged. but: difficult to say.


well at last some impressions to 2c-i: "meta-psychedelic", "reality enhancer", "energetic mind relaxation". and: "it's a shame that I do dirty drugs all the fucking time and 'healthy' ones like that one so rarely..."



€ ah, one more thing: ime(!) 2c-I is a drug that demands your activity. you have to push things in the direction you want em to be - which is actually pretty easy (and a nice therapeutic tool!). passivity leads to physical discomfort and a strange "frayed" restlesness.