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^ thank you for the info...very helpful!
The Big & Dandy 2C-I Thread
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solistus
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PLEASE do not attempt to eyeball 2C-I. Some people have fairly unpleasant reactions to excessive doses. Guesstimating dose based on apparent volume is not accurate at all; a tiny drop of water could change the volume of a given mass of powder significantly, even if you could somehow accurately eyeball sizes that small. While 2C-I *seems* to be a pretty gentle and benign compound on the body, it is a poorly documented research chemical and you shouldn't just take unknown amounts of it lightly. Until our mad scientist friends get cracking with the cloned organ farms, you only get one brain 
If you have a known amount of 2C-I, it's extremely easy to prepare a liquid solution. 2C-I is incredibly stable so you can put all your material in water or alcohol, store it in an airtight bottle in a drawer at room temperature and it'll be fine for years. If you have 1 gram of 2ci and dissolve it in, say, 100mL water, you can easily use a medicine dropper or syringe (you should be able to pick up syringes at any pharmacy - I asked for a 1mL syringe and got an oral one free at Walgreen's from the pharmacy desk last time I needed one) and drop out, for example, 2mL for a dose of 20mg. Measuring doses this way is so much more accurate than eyeballing little piles of powder that I can't possibly stress it enough.
If you have a known amount of 2C-I, it's extremely easy to prepare a liquid solution. 2C-I is incredibly stable so you can put all your material in water or alcohol, store it in an airtight bottle in a drawer at room temperature and it'll be fine for years. If you have 1 gram of 2ci and dissolve it in, say, 100mL water, you can easily use a medicine dropper or syringe (you should be able to pick up syringes at any pharmacy - I asked for a 1mL syringe and got an oral one free at Walgreen's from the pharmacy desk last time I needed one) and drop out, for example, 2mL for a dose of 20mg. Measuring doses this way is so much more accurate than eyeballing little piles of powder that I can't possibly stress it enough.
Delta-9-THC
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Also, density and consistency can vary from batch to batch making this even more unreliable. Just don't do it, you can buy an effective scale for quite a cheap price online.
Jblazingphoenix100
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I should've said that really..but personally as long as I'm not out and about and trying something in the safety of my own home, I eyeball away.
SpiralOut
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Every man has to make his own choices. I'd hope that you know for sure what you're tripping on before eyeballing, though.
I know a fella who got what he THOUGHT was 2C-I from a well respected vendor. Turns out it was mislabeled and was really 2C-E. He eyeballed a dose of about 35mg because he wanted a really strong trip. Ended up getting around 50mg because the powder had clumped up a bit during transit.
Needless to say he had a really difficult experience.
Jblazingphoenix100
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Yeah...I would never eyeball if I was out and about - but having difficult experiences on my own I'm really OK with - it can be eye opening and uncomfortable, pushing things a lil over my comfort boundaries for a few hours seems to be alright in my mind...coz I know I'll come back.
I do agree that 2C-E tends to be more clumpy - 2C-I that I've seen everytime has been a lot less dense
I do agree that 2C-E tends to be more clumpy - 2C-I that I've seen everytime has been a lot less dense
Help?!?!
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^As long as your familar with the chemical like jblazing seems to be I find something like 2c-i acceptable to eyeball(as long as your ready to possibly do a much higher dose than you expected and are comfortable with that fact). However I would never eyeball doses for doing anything else than sitting at home(to many variables for other situations). Anyways i've been without 2c-i for a while now and I really need to get around to ordering some more.
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If you don't mind the risk of taking a MASSIVE dose without intending to, eyeballing is okay I guess. "It could be as much as double" is a common rule of thumb but if it being way more than that would be a serious problem, it's not wise to do. Certainly not a good idea if you're not very experienced with the RC in question. 2C-I feels fairly benign to most people and hasn't been implicated as causing any deaths (eyeballing, say, 2c-t-7 would be pretty irresponsible), but there are reports of weird physical symptoms at higher doses and there's the speculation that it may potentially act in some way on the thyroid, so I'd be careful assuming that the only negative consequence of a massive dose would be an unpleasant night. It's highly unlikely you'll be the first one to discover fatal 2ci toxicity or anything, but in the interest of harms reduction I would advise strongly against this if you aren't familiar and comfortable with high doses of 2ci already and willing to accept an even higher personal risk than RC experimentation implies to begin with.
junglist: If you are confident in the total amount of material you have, liquid dosing makes things quite easy. The only time you really need a milligram scale is if both of the following are true: you haven't confirmed the total amount of material you actually have (e.g., on a friend's scale), AND you have a small enough amount that you can't get a reasonably accurate measure of the whole amount with a crappy scale. If you have a whole gram or more, I would just weigh it out on a .1g scale (I'm assuming that would be easier to find/borrow than a 1mg scale) to verify that it's the right amount, then put the whole supply in solution. If it comes to 1.0 on a .1g scale, that means it's around .9-1.1g. It would be better to have a more accurate read but I would say if you have at least ten times the smallest unit your scale counts, it's manageable.
junglist: If you are confident in the total amount of material you have, liquid dosing makes things quite easy. The only time you really need a milligram scale is if both of the following are true: you haven't confirmed the total amount of material you actually have (e.g., on a friend's scale), AND you have a small enough amount that you can't get a reasonably accurate measure of the whole amount with a crappy scale. If you have a whole gram or more, I would just weigh it out on a .1g scale (I'm assuming that would be easier to find/borrow than a 1mg scale) to verify that it's the right amount, then put the whole supply in solution. If it comes to 1.0 on a .1g scale, that means it's around .9-1.1g. It would be better to have a more accurate read but I would say if you have at least ten times the smallest unit your scale counts, it's manageable.
Choronzon333
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How much 2c-i is a threshold dose? I might try some out soon but I wanna test for any adverse reactions first.
Jblazingphoenix100
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Isn't a couple of mg the allergic reaction sort of testing dose? wouldn't want even a threshold dose coz then you'd be tripping a bit, whilst suffering anaphylaxis (if twas that bad) - not fun! Chances are you won't be allergic though...
THat makes me think, I have NEVER tried a little bit of ANYTHING to see if I might be allergic...oops!
THat makes me think, I have NEVER tried a little bit of ANYTHING to see if I might be allergic...oops!
Choronzon333
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Ok so what is threshold dose and what is good allergic test dose with 2c-i?
naura
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I did 27mg of 2C-I and went to see Avatar. Disappointingly, I felt like my visuals were less intense than when I saw avatar on 25mg 4-AcO-DMT. Has anyone else found 2C-I relatively non-visual? I've done it before, as well as other 2C's, and I'm wondering if tolerance could have something to do with it? I took 2C-E 4 days before that and perhaps the cross-tolerance weakened the 2C-I?
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Avatar cross-tolerance perhaps?
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Including myself, four participants bioassayed 20 mg of 2C-I dissolved in EtOH (10 mg/mL)
Participants' average weight was 140 lbs with the lightest being 130 and the heaviest 160 (skinny 20-somethings). Each responded positively at the end with one (the first-time tripper, also the lightest in weight) having a difficult but not unmanageable trip for the first half. All participants ate nothing at least 4 hours before dosing and no food was introduced until well after the peak.
Observations:
100% of subjects reported mild queasiness and/or nausea, but no vomiting reported
100% of subjects reported open-eyed visuals, the most common being wave and other simple pattern formations
50% of subjects reported closed-eyed visuals, their nature ineffable
At T+ 03:00 100% of subjects were either peaking or had finished peaking and by T+ 06:00 subjects had ceased "tripping" or were coming down.
25% of subjects reported "sub-tension headaches" during the come-down
It's difficult to do information gathering on 2C-I imho
Participants' average weight was 140 lbs with the lightest being 130 and the heaviest 160 (skinny 20-somethings). Each responded positively at the end with one (the first-time tripper, also the lightest in weight) having a difficult but not unmanageable trip for the first half. All participants ate nothing at least 4 hours before dosing and no food was introduced until well after the peak.
Observations:
100% of subjects reported mild queasiness and/or nausea, but no vomiting reported
100% of subjects reported open-eyed visuals, the most common being wave and other simple pattern formations
50% of subjects reported closed-eyed visuals, their nature ineffable
At T+ 03:00 100% of subjects were either peaking or had finished peaking and by T+ 06:00 subjects had ceased "tripping" or were coming down.
25% of subjects reported "sub-tension headaches" during the come-down
It's difficult to do information gathering on 2C-I imho
Choronzon333
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Isn't 25 mg of 4-aco-dmt like taking 10g of mushrooms? SHIT SON THAT SOUNDS iNTENSE!
Jblazingphoenix100
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I would say a threshold dose is just above the dose Shulgin/Erowid suggests is a test dose for allergies/intolerances.
On a unrelated note ^ my friend has done about 40-50mg 4-aco-dmt - insufflated...AT WORK! he said EVERYTHING was melting.
I reckon you had tolerance for sure! 4 days before - without a doubt some sort of tolerance. I had nice visuals at about 20-25mg.
On a unrelated note ^ my friend has done about 40-50mg 4-aco-dmt - insufflated...AT WORK! he said EVERYTHING was melting.
I reckon you had tolerance for sure! 4 days before - without a doubt some sort of tolerance. I had nice visuals at about 20-25mg.
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Jibes pretty damn closely with the experience of my wife and I. However I wasn't completely down at T+6 (more like T+7/8 ) and there were subtle/stimulatory effects till at least T+12.
The visuals were underwhelming to me (at 23mg), but still good. I found the headspace to be a good psychedelic one (which surprised me given everyone's description of 2c-i being purely recreational).
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Also no ego death was reported
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As for 4-aco-dmt, the PIHKaL range is 10-25mg, iirc. Those tend to be a bit on the low side. I've heard reports that 20-25mg is where things get very intense, and anything beyond 30 or so is probably excessive by most people's standards.
Back to 2c-i... Yeah, I've never come close to ego death, merging of self and other or any of what I would call the ontologically significant psychedelic effects - body high, altered head space, weirdly subtle 2c-i visuals (almost reminds me of the vivid mental imagery that tends to come up on cannabis, except the distinction between mental imagery and actual vision is less clear and stable while tripping).
My usual chronology is something like this (assuming empty stomach, comeup is delayed otherwise) -
t+0.5h : first alert
t+1h : definitely on the way up by here
t+2h : by now I'm at or at least close to peak/plateau levels.
t+7h : this is around the end of the plateau - no specific effects seem gone by this point, but it begins to feel like a transition from tripping mental state to post-trip contemplation mental state and the intensity begins to drop off
t+10h : by this point the effects are largely gone, I'd be willing to drive for something other than an absolute emergency (although I do my best to avoid driving until after I've had a good night's sleep whenever I use any powerful drug), but if I smoke a lot of pot I can get a resurgence of visuals. There's still a lingering body high, mostly consisting of stimulation with a bit of that unique 2c-i feel to it, which fades slowly over the next couple hours.
In general, I tend not to notice nearly as abrupt an end to any intoxicated state as many others seem to. I notice this the most with pot - I think my sensations of 'high' and 'burnt out' blend together just enough that it's hard for me to distinguish between what others would consider lingering after effects versus just a slight burnt out feeling after it's worn off. With psychedelics, I usually experience a gradual decline in intensity, but I don't feel 'sober' until the next day.
As for 2c-i tolerance... There's probably some, at least subjectively, but I haven't noticed anything dramatic. I have tripped two nights in a row on the same amount and, while the second night seemed a bit less intense, it certainly didn't feel like a significantly smaller dose or anything - more like it skipped the 'wow!' moment of the first hour or so of the peak. I've tripped multiple times over the course of a week and didn't notice any tolerance more dramatic than that.
carpaljets: I'd love to hear more about the OEVs your group experienced. Did any of the experienced trippers comment on its similarities/differences to other psychs they've tried? Any encounter with the 'subtlety effect' I've stumbled over describing here a couple times?
edit: currently t+12h on 30mg, ate a light meal shortly before dosing, still strong ++ / borderline +++. As with other 5HT2a psychedelics, cannabis seems to be particularly useful for extending the experience as well as intensifying and altering the trip.
Back to 2c-i... Yeah, I've never come close to ego death, merging of self and other or any of what I would call the ontologically significant psychedelic effects - body high, altered head space, weirdly subtle 2c-i visuals (almost reminds me of the vivid mental imagery that tends to come up on cannabis, except the distinction between mental imagery and actual vision is less clear and stable while tripping).
My usual chronology is something like this (assuming empty stomach, comeup is delayed otherwise) -
t+0.5h : first alert
t+1h : definitely on the way up by here
t+2h : by now I'm at or at least close to peak/plateau levels.
t+7h : this is around the end of the plateau - no specific effects seem gone by this point, but it begins to feel like a transition from tripping mental state to post-trip contemplation mental state and the intensity begins to drop off
t+10h : by this point the effects are largely gone, I'd be willing to drive for something other than an absolute emergency (although I do my best to avoid driving until after I've had a good night's sleep whenever I use any powerful drug), but if I smoke a lot of pot I can get a resurgence of visuals. There's still a lingering body high, mostly consisting of stimulation with a bit of that unique 2c-i feel to it, which fades slowly over the next couple hours.
In general, I tend not to notice nearly as abrupt an end to any intoxicated state as many others seem to. I notice this the most with pot - I think my sensations of 'high' and 'burnt out' blend together just enough that it's hard for me to distinguish between what others would consider lingering after effects versus just a slight burnt out feeling after it's worn off. With psychedelics, I usually experience a gradual decline in intensity, but I don't feel 'sober' until the next day.
As for 2c-i tolerance... There's probably some, at least subjectively, but I haven't noticed anything dramatic. I have tripped two nights in a row on the same amount and, while the second night seemed a bit less intense, it certainly didn't feel like a significantly smaller dose or anything - more like it skipped the 'wow!' moment of the first hour or so of the peak. I've tripped multiple times over the course of a week and didn't notice any tolerance more dramatic than that.
carpaljets: I'd love to hear more about the OEVs your group experienced. Did any of the experienced trippers comment on its similarities/differences to other psychs they've tried? Any encounter with the 'subtlety effect' I've stumbled over describing here a couple times?
edit: currently t+12h on 30mg, ate a light meal shortly before dosing, still strong ++ / borderline +++. As with other 5HT2a psychedelics, cannabis seems to be particularly useful for extending the experience as well as intensifying and altering the trip.
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As I said, the only remotley bad side effect Ive noticed is having sore cheek muscles from laughing so hard for so long. Amazing experience with fantastic visuals.
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