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The Big & Dandy 2C-I Thread

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Don't need benzo's but would much rather have them around to administer if something goes wrong, rather than me being dragged to hospital etc.

Another thing to take into account is it is a birthday of some one quite close to me so probably will be drinking all day and then all night through my trip, will that make the 2Cb even milder?

I'm guessing it would.
 
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EVERYTHING BEFORE THIS POINT IS:

- organized into the 2C-I Combinations Subthread.
- organized into the 2C-I Dosage and Measurement Subthread.
 
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so, i'm thinking eyeballing a first time dose of this stuff is not a good idea?

i don't have a scale right now...8)
 
Liquid measurement. Put ~Known quantity of powder into a known solution with a concentration 5mg/mL or less and titrate the dose.

Eye balling RCs is dumb.
 
It is still better to assume you have 500mg (if that is what you bought) make a solution and titrate. Even if you were given an extra 500mg, assuming you use 5mg/ml, taking 1mL isn't going to put you somewhere stupid (atleast for for most 2c's, research the dose range first and allow yourself wiggle room with the amount of solute to solvent-aka not 20mg/mL). Based off that experience titrate yourself to see the appropriate dose.

Yes get a scale because that is the only surefire way of knowing how much you are consuming, however it is better to be a little safer if at all possible.
 
2c-i and psychotic breaks?

Anyone heard of anyone having a psychotic break from 2c-i?

I personally find it one of the safest of 2c-x's (although I have a feeling it may be a bit neurotoxic and it's obviously dangerous to those with allergies to iodine)... but a lot of mutual friends found some 2c-i recently and have been using it rather heavily. One girl they gave it to only took ~11mg and enjoyed the hell out of it. They also smoked and what have you.... it has been ten days since she took it and apparently really never came down completely. Her thought patterns are still like she is tripping, she is a bit delusional, and claims she is still having visuals. She is on no medication and has no history of mental illness.

She also claimed that she found god and met him while she on 2c-i (She is a highly religious girl... 20 years old and saving herself for marriage... pre-med student.)

Yesterday, she really broke. She was screaming bible verses at walls, refusing to inhale air around people because their evil would come onto her, and took numerous showers in the dark. She eventually called the police and told them she was raped the night prior (still nine days after taking 2c-i). She apparently went for a walk from a party because god told her to and returned six hours later, after having really broke.) All of the things from yesterday sound like she was raped... I know that is such a traumatic experience in and of itself... along with deep spiritual awakening, but did the 2c-i play a role in her psychotic break before her rape? Has anyone else heard of such an explosive reaction with 2c-i (The pre-rape bit)? When will she come back to around normal? Will She? Any explanations are welcomed.

Thanks everyone.
 
I've experienced some lingering effects of 2c-i for several days after a trip. But only in large doses (30+mg).

11mg seems fairly small to induce any psychotic behavior like it did. But we all react differently to these things, maybe it was enough to send her over the edge a little bit.

Sounds to me like she has some things to work out before returning to psychedelia.

How 'normal' as you said was she before the experience? Did she have intense religious fears/behaviors beforehand?
 
she was intensely religious before hand... she was pretty normal, very bright, but had a pretty severe addiction to xanax. CONSTANTLY barred out. The 2c-i experience showed her that drugs are manifestations of (the d)evil and she must stay away from them. She never pushed her religion on anyone, however strongly she felt about it. She doesn't plan on going anywhere near psychedelics anytime again, but she is literally psychotic at present and you can't even have a conversation with her.

I'm just wondering about any other idiosyncratic reactions or psychotic breaks from 2c-i or if anyone knows if she will come back to normal... it's been over ten days now.
 
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she was intensely religious before hand... she was pretty normal, very bright, but had a pretty severe addiction to xanax. CONSTANTLY barred out. The 2c-i experience showed her that drugs are manifestations of (the d)evil and she must stay away from them. She never pushed her religion on anyone, however strongly she felt about it. She doesn't plan on going anywhere near psychedelics anytime again, but she is literally psychotic at present and you can't even have a conversation with her.

I'm just wondering about any other idiosyncratic reactions or psychotic breaks from 2c-i or if anyone knows if she will come back to normal... it's been over ten days now.
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Anxiety prone girl abuses anti-anxiety drugs, anxiety issues become worse.

Girl smokes weed on 2C-I comedown, known to produce intense and severe anxiety for some subjects.

I'd say it's PTSD-lite imho...
 
If she was really raped, this behavior could be a result of it. She should seek counseling.

Also, just because she didn't know she has a mental illness or a predisposition to it, and even though she doesn't know of anyone on either side of her family being mentally ill, that doesn't necessarily rule out that there has been mental illness in her family, that she does have a mental illness and just doesn't know it, or that she is predisposed to developing one.

No one on either side of my family had a mental illness and there was no history, yet I am bipolar. We only just recently found out that my cousin on my mother's side is also bipolar. You'd be surprised how easily those things can remain obscure for a long time.

All I can go on is what you have said here, and her behavior sounds as though she may have triggered some latent issues. 11mg of 2ci isn't a very high dose at all, but yes, as was mentioned above, we all react differently. Her reaction to the rape, if it actually happened, could also play into this.

Is she receiving help? Counseling? Is there any confirmation that this rape happened?

When I dosed 25 to 30mg of 2ci and had marijuana during the peak, I had an extremely visual and intense experience in which the trees around me turned into a black stone cathedral with an azure stained glass window up at the top. The window turned into a giant blue face, like a god, and it spoke to me. It was one of the most intense experiences that I have ever had, so the potential for a "religious experience" is certainly there, but just on 11mg?
 
After trying to dig for more information, her dose was actually 8-9mg. No one is sure at the moment if this rape was real in a physical sense or a philosophical sense (IE her innocence and purity was taken from her by using drugs and associating with "evil" people). She will probably be seeing counselors soon... I just wish her well.

It's just such a strange reaction... not to mention the experience seemed mild while she was on 2c-i it was only after it wore off that she never really came down and it manifested itself. It may just be a series of traumatic experiences has led to PTSD-like symptoms...

Has anyone else experienced severe low tolerance to 2c-i or had psychotic breaks after taking it?
 
^ It seems like the main factor here is the girl's psychic constitution, not the 2C-I. I would bet that a variety of different psychedelics could have caused a similiar reaction. Something in her was poised to snap, and just needed a catalyst... :\
 
I'm liable to think the same... however, she has taken mushrooms 15-20 times and never had any lasting effects. Most people I talk to experience some difference in daily life (be it afterglow, headaches, irritability, or mildly altered state of mind still)

I'm still not saying that it was the 2c-i directly... I think it was just a bad combination of events or an idiosyncratic response. I really hope someone here has any information on the bit.
 
I can relate at least one experience I've had regarding 2C's and repressed memories of sexual abuse, if you'd like to read it via PM... I MAY post it publicly, but it's obviously very personal. I was never psychotic during or after the experience, but I'm sure based on my feelings during the trip that it was the chemical that dug it out of my psyche. FWIW, I haven't heard of someone experimenting with 2C's than hasn't said they are powerful teachers and will give even a seasoned tripper trouble. It will almost certainly aggravate mental issues even if one is unaware of them. My unintentional misuse of 2C's revealed my latent bi-polar and made me say/claim some delusional things I wish I had not... Of course this was in me to begin with and the chemical was only the key, you'll just have to prey (hehe) that whatever has a hold of your friend will leave as quickly as it has come. You have the peace and love of the whole BL crew, now go! Heal, heal! HEAALL! :D <3
 
Considering 2C-I is a phenethylamine, and people fall into amphetamine psychosis all the time. I can't see how a phenethylamine psychosis would be any different.

You said she's mentally stable, but if she's "highly religious" she's not mentally stable... sorry. Also, what are the chances of her ACTUALLY being raped, instead of her imagining it. I mean if she was raped in the past, then that would be understandable, but she gets raped in the midst of her psychotic break? - I'd be skeptical
 
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Its probally not the 2c that did this. I have a freind who , well.. never came back after a acid trip we always thought. But it was just ba breakdown. Some of us just have a point were enough is benough and go over the deep end. Sounds like she gets help, it does'nt sound like the right help. Pills won't solve this one. sorry if she's a freind of yours.
 
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Has anyone else experienced severe low tolerance to 2c-i or had psychotic breaks after taking it?
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9mg is a fairly light dose for 2CI, it's highly unlikely that it was the primary cause for what your friend experienced. It's such a rare & extreme reaction that there almost certainly has to be some other significant factor, either an unrecognized mental instability or peculiar body chemistry this girl has, something like that. Whatever it was magnified the effects of the 2CI & pushed her over the edge. I've read a lot of trip reports good & bad, I've never read anything that comes close to this in terms of low dose & high reaction. I wish her well.
 
I find the stimulant effects from ALL of the phens to be just a little more than what I am comfortable with. That's what people typically refer to as body load.

When I take a psych, I'm really more interested in the head trip than I am being stimulated. I wouldn't mind body euphoria, but rarely have any of the phens given me a relaxed body euphoria. It's more of a "cant sit still and got to get up and move" kind of feeling.

And that stimulation can cause me a great deal of anxiety. In that regard, I can get freaked out although I wouldn't go so far as to call it psychosis. I never completely lose touch with reality on phens, I just can become very anxious and scared. I deal with it by moderating my doses and keeping benzos on hand in case I start to feel way more physically stimulated than I can endure.

Everybody is different so always start with thresh hold doses of ANYTHING you've never tried and work your way up at a late date so to minimize unexpected bad reactions. 2-5 mg is a thresh hold dose of 2c-i and I would never give a phen newbie more than that on their first try.
 
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