The Big & Dandy 2C-D Thread

[Shambles]

^ That may be as I've been redosing a bit too on recent experiments - bound to distort things a bit, in all sorts of ways. Although on my previous jaunts I've only taken a single dose and it's still been 6 hours until baseline again. Have often thought I may be quite sensitive to 2Cs cos I don't seem to need high doses and they hit me hard. Just lucky :D

Seems to only really reach the peak at the 2-3 hour mark for me. At least that's when the music magic makes its presence felt most strongly. Up until then it's more of a moodlift and swirly prettiness for me. Should really be sensible and go for properly measured one-off doses instead of just playing with it... So much fun to play with though :D

Can imagine it would be amazing for making music - certainly a lot of fun. A certain BLer made some great tunes influenced by his 2C-D and ketamine adventures and it really shows. Lots of psyches affect sound, but 2C-D is just something else entirely. Never heard anything like it.

 

[Fishface]

Aye, I'll have to hope the drug fairies help me pick up some more, as I'd really like to explore the playing possibilities - seems to 'open out' the music in a really 'useful' way - arghh - so hard writing about such matters

Have to say I found it quite emotionally 'cold' and with no erotic component - however, there are other things for that, eh?

 

[Bella Figura]

It does sound like an incredible compound. I'd love to try playing guitar on it and see if I can create anything interesting

 

[Shakti]

I've tried 2c-d a few times now. A few to test the water and three between 40 and 50mgs. It is a remarkable compound, but I can't put my finger on why. Perhaps that in and of itself is what's remarkable. There is little body load. The visuals aren't particularly remarkable compared to the other 2c's I've had. It comes on fairly quickly and smoothly. The come down isn't bumpy and leaves me energized and in good spirits. In the next few weeks I will probably try it again at about 60mgs. Of all the psychedelics I've tried, it may be the smoothest. A gentle wave that rolls in and out.

Also, I've tried it in conjunction with mephedrone. 200mgs meph and 30mgs 2c-d taken simultaneously, orally. The designation of tofu seems appropriate. The mephedrone gave the experience its character and the 2c-d just made it fuller.

 

[Quantum Perception]

all i know is that 2c-d acts like psychedelic tofu
enhancing other substances, yet not overcoloring the exprience
iam curious to see what dose that mean excatly: enhancing but not overcoloring

 

[hamhurricane]

wow 2C-D is incredible, i just came down from 32mg + 150mg of moclobemide and it was one of the best phenethylamine trips ive ever experienced! i know many shy away from using 2Cs with a MAOI but im never using 2C-D any other way again. with the moclobemide it was so greatly potentiated and i would hesitate to go above 40mg. the time line was even shorter than mushrooms, i was up and down in less than four hours...i mean pill in my mouth to total baseline in four hours.


EDIT: i also smoked salvia extract and dried leaf throughout the trip and felt something very close to a rebirth, the synergy was beautiful. but i truly love salvia and have uniformly good experiences with it.

 

[B9]

Find your estimate of 4-6 hours surprising, though - always found it running out of steam around the 2 hour mark and gone by 3

Seconded

 

[Morninggloryseed]

For me, 2C-D is a four-hour trip (i.e. 4 hr after I swallow the pill, I am down). Alerts @ 45min, peak at hr2...swiftly downward at hr3 and sober at hr 4. That is one reason I just absolutely love 2C-D.

 

[Shakti]

For me it's been more like 4.5 to 5 hours. I think my metabolism might just be a little slower than most with psychedelics, cuz my trips tend to outlast my friends a bit.

 

[General Patton]

I had a great trip on 35mg of 2C-D last night. I had the dose broken down into 5 and 10mg gelcaps and took them over the course of an hour, which made for a smooth come-up. Took them between 7-8:00pm as I showered and came down by 11:30pm... Man, what a quickie. In the shower coming up on the initial 15mg dose was incredible, I noticed I was able to alter the level of thoughts I could summon as if on command. I could enjoy the pleasing sensation of the water running over me as well as drift off into far-out tangents containing great psychedelia. As the drain ran dry the introspective threads of cognition stopped somewhat, as if that mindstate was locked somewhat in the virtual-reality placement of wet and warm, and not out here in the cold porcelain light.

I proclaimed 2C-D "psychedelic drain cleaner" in the most warm and agreeable sense, in that it cleared my mind of thought-loops just like the drain cleaner I used earlier freed up the pipes in my shower... The effect was that imminent and striking. After the shower and the taking of the second dose the classic 2C psychedelic turbochargers kicked in, and I was able to channel the manic, albeit lucid mindstate into my writings. Some pretty harsh memories were able to be touched upon, without the cathartic overflow of mushrooms like the month's previous... Giving the old existential hardware a knocking, even if it is a psilocybin kick in the teeth :D

My favorite part of the night was undoubtedly the comedown walk, which seemed to be the focal point of the whole affair, as well as the continuation of the aforementioned mushroom trip which went sour in the shower... 2C-D is undoubtedly one of the warmest teachers I have ever come across in terms of coming into contact with psychological aspects of yourself you may not want to always be in contact with. It's a true psychedelic in every way mushrooms or LSD is... While out on my walk I stepped in a puddle, and the synaesthetic association of the silvery light that was being reflected in the puddle was an immediate see/hear/thoughtfeeling I could almost taste on the top of my mouth... It felt so clean and pure and cold on that night, I didn't care about the weather, it was beautiful to be alive, be around living things in the here and now. If more people did that than watch TV, we just might be able to get somewhere as a species!

 

[djfriendly]

^^ I love hearing about glowing experiences with lower doses of 2C-D, it makes me feel more normal.

Now - why I care about that, I guess, is a subject for perusal sometime soon on 2C-D.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Also, the effect it has on music is just utterly unique and so very special. I'd take the stuff for no other reason than to listen to music if it weren't quite so decadent to do so. Quite likes me a bit of decadence though...

For me, the best way I can explain 2C-D's effect on music is to compare it with the 'spatial stereo' control om the TV in that the music seems much more spaced out (by that I mean it's easier to identify each individual contr ibutor, not in the sense of stuff like Hawkwind, although it goes quite well with that). The stimulant component does make me feel that any music is more energetic & compelling than a normal sober state, but not in a speedy way ie no desire to try playing guitar Pete Townshend style.

I bet it would be bloody good to take if you'd recorded so,me music and were going to mix it down to 2 tracks because as I mentioned, it makes each individual component decernable in the music - it may not be your thing, but it's worth finding a piece of classical music (everybody can find one piece they like) to listen to after 2C-D. The first oner I tried it with was Ravel's Bolero and it was amazing. The other one that stands out from my 2C-D adventures is Danse Macabre (the theme to the BBC series 'Jonathon Creek' - that might mean bugger all to some people, but I'm fairly certain you'd recognize it with a few second of hearing it), complete with Day of the Dead type CEVs.

In fact I bet I could even enjoy listening to one of the Yes albums I've got (just one though, let's not get carried away here); they were from a youthful exuberance for all music. Don't think I've listened to any of them - yes I shamefully admit to owning 3 of them (close to the edge, relayer & fragile. The source of endless piss taking when friends have found them whil rummaging through my music ) - in at least a decade, but if I had to, 2C-D would be the thing to compliment them!


God I've got some less than cool albums if I were to go through all my stuff. Maybe at some point in thew future I'll dig some out, enemate (squirt a soln up my arse) some 2C-D and see how they sound. The ultimate test (nearly said 'acid test', but that's just going to confuse things ) would be to see if I could sit through a complete ELP album as under normal conditions, after 5-10 mins I'd normally wander off to do something more fun, like unblocking the toilet (I had a mate - in my early 20s - who insisted on battering people with Emerson, Lake & Palmer when they were too stoned to be able to do anything about it, hence my less than charitable opinion about anything other than 'Fanfare for the Common Man'!)

 

[General Patton]

^^ I love hearing about glowing experiences with lower doses of 2C-D, it makes me feel more normal.

Now - why I care about that, I guess, is a subject for perusal sometime soon on 2C-D.

Hehe, well yes... Some people are just hardheads what with their 50mg+ doses. I've always enjoyed having a low tolerance for most substances in general, although it has been troublesome at times... But for the most parts it's nice to take one hit of acid, take a few tokes of hash, than get bowled over. Convenient and economical I think I hope the 2C-D treats you as well as it treated me on your path to self-discovery.

 

[Jabberwocky]

well to be fair some people just like to trip REAL HARD

I'm pretty sensitive to psych's and I would without hesitation go up from my last dose of 2CD (35mg plugged).

I'd love to try 100mg oral I think that would be amazingly incapacitating visually.

but I go through periods where I like to trip to the point of incapacitation! Totally shatter your mind like a psychedelic hammer and slowly put the pieces back together :D

 

[General Patton]

Oh for sure... You've got people who will take 2C-E into the hundreds of milligrams, the real psychedelic "elite" or whatever you want to call them... Haha, Terence would be proud

I wouldn't mind combining 2C-D with 2C-E, perhaps to kick things back into gear a bit at the end for an acid-like trip duration. I could imagine that would be quite intense visually, I love what 2C-D does in the purple-blue spectrum... Mmmm, yeah at the right dose I bet 2C-D kicks it with the best of them.

 

[dread]

Why not combine 2cd, 2ce and 2cp at an equimolar dosage for each. I think that would be interesting.

 

[General Patton]

I'm sure once I've gained enough chemistry knowledge to fully grasp the concept you just proposed, I'd agree.

I just think the synergy is there between 2C-D and 2C-E, it seems like it could help cross the bridge between the mental/analytical and the body high... I find that's where some 2C-E trips leave you "stuck" if at all.

 

[djfriendly]

Hehe, well yes... Some people are just hardheads what with their 50mg+ doses. I've always enjoyed having a low tolerance for most substances in general, although it has been troublesome at times... But for the most parts it's nice to take one hit of acid, take a few tokes of hash, than get bowled over. Convenient and economical I think I hope the 2C-D treats you as well as it treated me on your path to self-discovery.

Well, I don't think 50mg 2C-D is a particularly high dose. I usually take 40-50mg. My last time I took 20mg rectally several hours into a methylone trip. There was some sketchiness going on with the group, and the 2C-D fixed everything. It's the first time I've ever experienced a psychedelic as an anxiolytic!

But I had one of the most profound psychedelic experiences of my life on a mere 26mg of 2C-D a couple years back. Looking back, it empowered me to change my life. I don't notice a huge difference between the mid-20mg range and the 40mg, really - perhaps just a bit more commitment to the experience.

I keep meaning to try higher doses of 2C-D, but I just don't seem to find the time to trip these days (thus my not contributing very much to the online community as of late) and, well...I've only got a certain amount of the stuff, and having such a liking for it, am hoarding it jealously...

 

[Jabberwocky]

well lets be careful and not apply comments we make about one drug to another. Yes they're pretty similar drugs, but I would NEVER take a high dose of 2CE like that (50+ mg). Whereas without hesitation I would take a high dose of 2CD. They are different drugs remember!

 

[fastandbulbous]

Why not combine 2cd, 2ce and 2cp at an equimolar dosage for each. I think that would be interesting.

If you're wanting to be precise, you also have to take into account binding affinities to the 5HT2a receptor and the rate of destruction by metbolism (in other words more trouble than it's worth). If you want to mix them up, ty combing half an effective dose of each eg (orally) 30mg 2C-D; 6mg 2C-E & 3mg 2C-P or variations using that ratio to taste (as cookery books would say)

Oh for sure... You've got people who will take 2C-E into the hundreds of milligrams, the real psychedelic "elite" or whatever you want to call them...

'Idiots' is the word I'd use. Anything more than 50mg orally (of 2C-E) is asking for trouble (even then 50 mg is a fuckin' huge dose). Personally I wouldn't go over 25mg orally & then there'd have to be exceptional circumstances for going over 20mg in a single dose (17.5mg produced one of the three ++++ experiences I've been lucky enough to have)

well lets be careful and not apply comments we make about one drug to another. Yes they're pretty similar drugs, but I would NEVER take a high dose of 2CE like that (50+ mg). Whereas without hesitation I would take a high dose of 2CD. They are different drugs remember!

The above should be appreciated by anybody intending to take psychedelics. After all DOM has the same empirical formula as 2C-E (move a carbon atome from the ring ethyl group to the alpha position of the side chain), but the doses are vastly different. 15mg od 2C-E will produce a solid trip in most people, but I wouldn't like to think what 15mg of DOM would do (half of that dose will well and truely floor most people)